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[Ploid 3.0]

Look to sony exclusives for the better stuff as always. You will still have your amazing graphics. Never depend on multiplatform games to take advantage of the consoles all the time unless it's a particular being pushed like Kinect/avatars with support and money.

 

[Americanmushroom]

Wait... one can be demoted to junior rank? What did you do, man?

Will MS moneyhat EA to make the games look identical on XBO and PS4?

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=657717

 

[Skeff]

Can we get an OP update about the political parity being speculation?

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

 

[user8503492]

Where were the "political issues" when the PS3 got the shit end of the deal on mutiplats?

 

[Suikoguy]

Updated OP to indicate article is suggesting forced parity MAY occur

I think people are skipping the french and reading Aliand's comment

So I apolgize if that's the case

Did not mean to mislead anyone

True, but on the other hand when taken with other recent news it's looking possible.
The obfuscation may only extend to previews though, release games may paint a different picture.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

I am super p!$$£d off. I was a ps3 gamer and we suffered a lot. Cause sony made mistakes. The xbox version of every game ran better. PS gamer paid a huge price for sticking to it. And now our time for reward they wanna punish us? i seriously wanna cry here.

THIS IS UNFAIR. WE ARE PAYING MONEY FOR THIS GAMES. I WISH WE CAN VOTE WITH OUR WALLET AND STICK TO INDIE AND F2P GAMES AND SONY 1ST PARTY

AND THEY SAY COMPETITION IS GOOD? COMPETITION MY A$$

I can no longer tell who's being sarcastic and who's genuinely salt. I need to lay down.

 

[Kikujiro]

Come on, this is too cartoon evil to be true.

 

[UNCMark]

Easy solution - don't buy any games from devs that knowingly downgrade their games to appease Microsoft. I'm looking at you, EA and Ubisoft. Man, between never buying a single game from Nintendo's e-shop and now this, I'm going to be gaming a lot less.

 

[KAL2006]

There is a reason why Killzone Shadowfall, Drive Club and inFamous Second Son look to be the best looking next gen games.

 

[K' Dash]

Fuck any dev's that downgrade PS4 version for "political" reasons. That's straight up bullshit.

 

[bigol]

Just the possibility is bad, they shouldn't even think about it.

"They" is referred to gameblog.

It's all gameblog speculation.Developers never said they could downgrade ps4 version

 

[FinalStageBoss]

I refuse to believe that devs would PURPOSELY gimp their own game to match the x1. That just sounds crazy to me.

 

[Feorax]

Sony: "Well our games are running at 1080p/60fps, and we can supply the help any devs need to get up to that level, we just aren't getting asked. The damn thing was practically built to developer specs. We couldn't possibly comment on why EA/Activision/Ubisoft developers aren't competent enough to do it..."

Publishers: "fuuuuuu..."

 

[SwiftDeath]

Can we get an OP update about the political parity being speculation?

Already done

 

[Unknown One]

Developers didn't do this for the 360/PS3 games. We PS3 owners did not get parity for half the generation.

 

[IAmRandom31]

Yeah if this is ever confirmed to be true I will boycott every single game and developer that pulls this type of practice.

Purposefully keeping the 2 games identical when you could easily push the PS4 version harder, yeah ... that is just a pathetic practice and I won't throw money into a devs pocket for doing that.

We'll see.

 

[IN&OUT]

Thanks MS.

First we paid for online, now this.

 

[Chobel]

yah all need to stop believing everything you read and wait too see the games, its like we go in circles every week till next gen releases

I don't to wait for a game just to find out it was gimped, If I can take action to stop it I will. We need to make devs hear that this is not acceptable.

 

[ymmv]

This sentence says they could downgrade ps4 version.
Besides,this sentence is just gameblog.fr speculation

I simply don't believe that publishers/developers would do cripple their own software to please a third party - or that MS would be so desperate to enforce such a rule. I've never heard of Sony demanding that the Xbox 360 version of a game had to be downgraded when the PS3 version was running at sub 720p. All I know is that MS demands "feature parity" at launch - and even that is not a hard rule since there are PS3/PS4 games with added content compared to the 360/One versions coming out on the same day.

 

[derFeef]

That sounds like an article I read before, I guess it's a rehash or something.

 

[spannicus]

You don't seem to understand. We need to rage. This is the internet, what else are we supposed to do.

please help to me for understanding. they people says blame Microsoft fer everything even specusations and Rage because he said PS4 downlevel games because Microsoft? is this legit correction?

 

[Ploid 3.0]

What kind of political issues will there be:

MS: Make the ps4 version shitty to match out version or else?
Developer: Or else what?
MS: Or else we won't sell your games....?
Developer: But you need our games.
MS: Yeah, I hadn't thought this all the way through.

Sony demanded that games brought to PS3 6+ months later because of timed exclusivity had to have something extra for the PS3 launch. Also it would be weird paying full price for a 6+ month old game so I guess it kinda made sense for the customer.

 

[IvorB]

Will MS moneyhat EA to make the games look identical on XBO and PS4?

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=657717

Wow. That sucks. Hope you make it back, man.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

wow

My thoughts exactly. I wonder how much crow will be eaten tonight?

 

[Vesper73]

If there is any evidence that a ps4 version has been held back for 'political' reasons, I will just boycott that publisher's games. Simple.

++;

 

[Hrothgar]

We don't have any French on GAF who might do a proper translation?

 

[ekim]

Not the first time we hear about driver problems. As long they can be fixed it's not a desperate situation. I don't think devs will gimp the PS4 versions.

 

[coolasj19]

Bleep bloop. Looks like I'm switching my Watch Dogs preorder to Killzone. I was always cautious of the game anyway. Every since they started showing it without showing any new features.

 

[StoopKid]

I refuse to believe that devs would PURPOSELY gimp their own game to match the x1. That just sounds crazy to me.

Money talks.

 

[Skilletor]

Sony demanded that games brought to PS3 6+ months later because of timed exclusivity had to have something extra for the PS3 launch. Also it would be weird paying full price for a 6+ month old game so I guess it kinda made sense for the customer.

That's an entirely different scenario. That, in this instance, would give the ps3 version of a late game a reason for people to be interested in it other than just a straight port.

They require the same thing of Vita ports as well. And it's also, i think, just a scea thing, which is the reason things like Suikoden 2 and BoF3 on PSP never made it stateside despite BoF3 releasing in EU.

 

[heelo]

Handy translator:

Negative speculation re: MS = FACT

Positive speculation re: MS = PR Moneyhat Lies


Having consulted the translator, it is clear that we should all get worked up about this ASAP!

 

[d0nd]

boo i can't 'unsee' this thread lol

 

[KAL2006]

If this is true this is the first time in gaming history devs are gimping their games in purpose, this hasn't happened with NES, SNES, Xbox and etc. If it hasnt ever happened in the past I dont see why it would happen now unless MS is throwing money around to devs.

 

[funkystudent]

CALLED IT!

Well its still a iffy rumour right now. Would need more reports before I believe its actually happening but if it is that kind of thing wont be kept secret for long.

I refuse to believe that devs would PURPOSELY gimp their own game to match the x1. That just sounds crazy to me.

Developers do what their bosses tell them.

 

[Chobel]

Not the first time we hear about driver problems. As long they can be fixed it's not a desperate situation. I don't think devs will gimp the PS4 versions.

How long will they take to fix the driver?

 

[IN&OUT]

is that what Penello meant when he said that MS won't give Sony 50% advantage?

 

[IvorB]

I simply don't believe that publishers/developers would do cripple their own software to please a third party - or that MS would be so desperate to enforce such a rule. I've never heard of Sony demanding that the Xbox 360 version of a game had to be downgraded when the PS3 version was running at sub 720p. All I know is that MS demands "feature parity" at launch - and even that is not a hard rule since there are PS3/PS4 games with added content compared to the 360/One versions coming out on the same day.

Well the feature parity thing probably meant that games could not take advantage of Sony's blu-ray capacity to include extra content that they might have wanted to. So there's an example of games being technically constrained by MS policy.

Also if MS had no qualms about having such a policy before what makes you think they would not try it again and strengthen it to cover the deficiencies of their upcoming console?

 

[BRocknRolla]

This is going to be an unpleasant next 6 months or so. The very idea that a company would downgrade one version of a game to appease another company is disgusting. Release your games, use the strengths of the system you're releasing on to do what you can for performance, and leave it at that. It's what they did this generation, and that's the way they should do it the next. But of course, money talks, and so do politics, and as such we'll have to worry about shit like this.

Honestly, my hope is that the PS4 comes out very strong, effectively abolishing the notion some publishers might have that MS is a company that needs to be kowtowed to. At least in that situation publisher might lead on PC and give the PS4 what it can handle from there rather than going PC to Xbox and then pushing whatever that was capable of to the PS4. Hopefully it gets sorted in 6 months time, and it will become a non issue. Thankfully, I don't think I'll be buying a 3rd party multiplat until Destiny anyway, so I'll have time to watch it shake out.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Honestly I meant this thread as discussion that cboat was correct and the XB1 drivers aren't mature

I assumed people would realize the forced parity was a suggested possibility not a fact

I realize now my mistake was posting aliands comment without any other english translation present

I'm sorry if it seemed more than it was

 

[Alchemist]

But they said that PS4 version will be downgraded because of political issue.

This is the kinda shit Major Nelson and Albert Penello are implying when they try to spin the power difference between the consoles.

 

[Chobel]

Handy translator:

Negative speculation re: MS = FACT

Positive speculation re: MS = PR Moneyhat Lies


Having consulted the translator, it is clear that we should all get worked up about this ASAP!

Do you know if this is not true?

 

[ekim]

How long will they take to fix the driver?

I have absolutely no idea. Depends on the problem I guess? Maybe some kind of memory leak can easier be fixed than something more general.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

If this is true this is the first time in gaming history devs are gimping their games in purpose, this hasn't happened with NES, SNES, Xbox and etc. If it hasnt ever happened in the past I dont see why it would happen now unless MS is throwing money around to devs.

Nah Nintendo just straight up forced devs to not make games for other systems. Compared to their NES dictatorship, MS actually doesn't look that bad.

I tried making this into a positive for MS, guys. Gut tells me it didn't work.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

Isn't the whole point of a rumour to wait upon clarification of some sort so that you can actually make some sort of informed decision?

 

[Callibretto]

Sigh ms, just give ice team a call and ask then for help with your driver problem or smtg.

 

[Kuro]

I will boycott any non-indie game that looks identical on both consoles.

 

[Suikoguy]

If this is true this is the first time in gaming history devs are gimping their games in purpose, this hasn't happened with NES, SNES, Xbox and etc. If it hasnt ever happened in the past I dont see why it would happen now unless MS is throwing money around to devs.

Xbox was objectively more powerful then the PS2
360 was functionally more powerful then the PS3
PS4 is objectively more powerful then the Xbone

I think the likely scenario is, intentional obfuscation of previews, and non-committals from devs regarding differences in platforms and game performance.

I will be legitimately surprised if rtm code is intentionally gimped. However, this is the first time MS is launching a console that is gimped compared to the competition, which makes it historically difficult to compare.

 

[nib95]

On a side note, evidently Cboat was right yet again, despite all Microsoft insiders or PR saying the contrary.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Honestly I meant this thread as discussion that cboat was correct and the XB1 drivers aren't mature

I assumed people would realize the forced parity was a suggested possibility not a fact

I realize now my mistake was posting aliands comment without any other english translation present

I'm sorry if it seemed more than it was

Far too late now. It's become fact.