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What time is it?
Maybe both our opinions are trash
Maybe both our opinions are trash
That post was in response to someone arguing that Xbox gamers haven't even played HFR and are hyping it up as GOTY.Ok, but the tone of your posts made it seem like you had an axe to grind with people hyping up AAA games and that they didn't have variety or whatever.
I'm not saying HFR hype should be equal size to those games. I'm saying anyone trying to shame people for calling it a GOTY candidate is a clown. Do you understand what I'm saying? Someone called it GOTY and I saw multiple comments about how its too early to say it and Xbox gamers are idiots or starved or shills for even suggesting GOTY this early, or many don't even play the game and say it. It's pathetic trolling. The rest of your post has nothing to do with what I'm even talking about.
Sifu is a great game but a roguelike that has zero chance of being GOTY. I got the platinum in the game.It's not rational, that's why. We are just a few weeks into the year.
Let's take a trip down memory lane, it's early February 2022 and Sifu releases:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sifu-ot-old-boy.1629742/
Read through that thread again and contrast it with the Hi Fi Rush thread. One is a level headed thread, predominantly focused on discussing the game, no nonsense. Whereas a the other is a thread that tries to discuss the game from time to time but instead devolves into console warring and petty meta-commentary with great frequency. And Sifu did end up on quite a few people's GOTY lists BTW.
If you can't see the difference in tone and why extreme hyperbole results in pushback then I can't help you.
Sifu is a great game but a roguelike that has zero chance of being GOTY. I got the platinum in the game.
Sifu is a great game but a roguelike that has zero chance of being GOTY. I got the platinum in the game.
Well well, how the turn tables.
The friendliest, most un-roguelike roguelike ever made. Constant story progression and permanent power up progression.
How? You can call it GOTY and thats fine with me. I disagree. I wouldn't call you a shill. You guys are impossible to talk to. Poor reading comprehension. You guys literally don't even know what I'm talking about.Well well, how the turn tables.
a roguelike that has zero chance of being GOTY.
The friendliest, most un-roguelike roguelike ever made. Constant story progression and permanent power up progression.
I said Sifu is a roguelike that had zero chance of being GOTY. I didnt say no roguelike can ever be GOTY ever no matter what. I'm saying Sifu's roguelike structure severely hurt its appeal. Hades is literally the friendliest and least-roguelike roguelike ever made.
How? You can call it GOTY and thats fine with me.
I disagree. I wouldn't call you a shill. You guys are impossible to talk to. Poor reading comprehension. Literally don't even know what I'm talking about.
Its just frustrating CONSTANTLY having to correct poor reading comprehension and gotchas for shit not even said.
I respect your capacity for empathy despite your bad taste.What some consider GOTY others may not
Heck my GOTY last year was Vampire Survivors
Exactly. We shouldn't be fighting amongst each other and being petty. This year is stacked for everyone. Every console across the board will be filled with games. We are finally getting over the huge drought. We should enjoy it. Every console will be able to play some really great games this year.Hmm. I guess everyone can only speak for themselves, but as a GP subscriber, a year that gives me Hi-Fi Rush, Redfall, Forza, Starfield, Lies of P, Atomic Heart, Wo Long, STALKER 2, Hollow Knight: Silksong, Minecraft Legends, AoE Console, Monster Hunter Rise, Benedict Fox, Ara and Flintlock is nothing short of amazing...and that's just with the assumption that there's no H2 2023 AAA releases.
2023 looks to be an amazing year for owners of all consoles, no matter where you play.
Hmm. I guess everyone can only speak for themselves, but as a GP subscriber, a year that gives me Hi-Fi Rush, Redfall, Forza, Starfield, Lies of P, Atomic Heart, Wo Long, STALKER 2, Hollow Knight: Silksong, Minecraft Legends, AoE Console, Monster Hunter Rise, Benedict Fox, Ara and Flintlock is nothing short of amazing...and that's just with the assumption that there's no H2 2023 AAA releases.
Well, that doesn't automatically rule that out (that is, you voting Neon White). I just get the feeling based on how your recent posts have been, that if Stray were on Xbox, you'd be all over it and I am only using this game as an example because it was mentioned. Maybe that is not what you are doing but it definitely looks that way to me.I voted Neon White for best indie of the year and it's not even on Xbox. We're focusing on Xbox here because of the subject of the thread. Stray is worse than many indies last year, in my personal opinion. It was a banner year for indies.
Pretty much. ”Gotta get my hit piece in before Starfield or it will be too late”.Can't write these headlines too much longer. The XBox drought is already ending (Hi Fi Rush) and we'll never see another drought remotely as long as we just went through. "XBox is fine" doesn't get the clicks though.
This is what I mean. Its just frustrating CONSTANTLY having to correct poor reading comprehension and gotchas for shit not even said.
Well, it was first on PlayStation.Well well, how the turn tables.
david jaffe?
It's not rational, that's why. We are just a few weeks into the year.
Let's take a trip down memory lane, it's early February 2022 and Sifu releases:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sifu-ot-old-boy.1629742/
Read through that thread again and contrast it with the Hi Fi Rush thread. One is a level headed thread, predominantly focused on discussing the game, no nonsense. Whereas a the other is a thread that tries to discuss the game from time to time but instead devolves into console warring and petty meta-commentary with great frequency. And Sifu did end up on quite a few people's GOTY lists BTW.
If you can't see the difference in tone and why extreme hyperbole results in pushback then I can't help you.
I really hate this forum sometimes.Well, it was first on PlayStation.
haha, sorry? I guess? lol. Just the impression I have been getting from ya. Maybe it is not the case but it's been coming across like that. I am exiting this conversation anyway. So, peace?I really hate this forum sometimes.
There’s more than a few people extremely effusive about the game and declaring it their GOTY in that thread.
No worries. 99% of my posts are some form of jokehaha, sorry? I guess? lol. Just the impression I have been getting from ya. Maybe it is not the case but it's been coming across like that. I am exiting this conversation anyway. So, peace?
2 people:
One person who reaffirmed that it was indeed their GOTY later in the year in the very same thread:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sifu-ot-old-boy.1629742/page-8
And another who said it might be:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sifu-ot-old-boy.1629742/page-10#post-265600600
So no, not "more than a few".
And no, no pushback is necessary when there's nobody declaring it the "best new IP in the last 10 years" or words to that effect, less than a year after Elden Ring.
I said Sifu is a roguelike that had zero chance of being GOTY. I didnt say no roguelike can ever be GOTY ever no matter what. I'm saying Sifu's roguelike structure severely hurt its appeal. Hades is literally the friendliest and least-roguelike roguelike ever made.
This is what I mean. Its just frustrating CONSTANTLY having to correct poor reading comprehension and gotchas for shit not even said.
Jenn Kaelin.Erm, who is this???
asking for a friend...
The only problem here is ppl throwing around the GOTY label now trying to say a game like this is somehow comparable to Elden Ring, BOTW or God of WarR. It's so blatantly not on that level.
Top 10 list sure. Niche market fav why not. Fucking awesome game shadow dropped at the beginning of '23 absolutely.
But trying to make it compare to goty contenders of the past or future is bonkers.
Ppl arguing such is quite simply looking desperate and thirsty, which makes sense after a year like '22 for Xbox.
That is 100% purely your opinion and not a fact. Don't you dare try to erase other people's experiences and opinions because they don't line up to yours.The only problem here is ppl throwing around the GOTY label now trying to say a game like this is somehow comparable to Elden Ring, BOTW or God of WarR. It's so blatantly not on that level.
Top 10 list sure. Niche market fav why not. Fucking awesome game shadow dropped at the beginning of '23 absolutely.
But trying to make it compare to goty contenders of the past or future is bonkers.
Ppl arguing such is quite simply looking desperate and thirsty, which makes sense after a year like '22 for Xbox.
Oh shit…publisher of the year too!!"A new Xbox game is releasi..."
Oh don't worry, I give them praise when they deserve it. I play their games when they are deserving of my time. Its just that neither of those things happen nearly enough considering their resources.
The only thing that gets my blood pressure up are people who want to pretend these guys are doing the best job they can. The land of make believe sure looks like something, maybe I should join you some day.
It's completely false that most of the positive traffic for the game on Twitter comes from 'Xbox people'. It's selling well, and getting a very decent amount of players thanks to GP. And the reaction has been overwhelmingly positive. Why would social media traffic not reflect that?
"Steam is its own space" makes no sense as a comment since it's the exact same game on that platform.
It's hardly a novel concept that the visual fidelity of a game plays a part in its reviews.
I'll just pipe up to say I've never seen you use these metrics in your own GOTY forecasts.
You think It Takes Two had to transform the industry before it won GOTY awards? Or Ratchet and Clank?
If Starfield hits the overall quality bar set by some of Bethesda's revered RPGs, The only games on this list that are certain to be bigger sellers than it are Spiderman 2 and Zelda.
LOL @ "It's not the only big space game coming out this year".
Gamers know Bethesda...there's a reason why Starfield is #3 on Steam's global wishlists even before Bethesda's upcoming deep dive.
It might be a good enough game. But there's a segment of people acting like it's God's gift to gaming. Early 2000s nostalgia-bait isn't new and has been done better, cel-shading isn't new and has been done better, and basic 3d-platforming and early 2000s combat is not an innovation.
All it took was a bit of viral marketing, and all of the rest is forgotten
You are absolutely correct that there are plenty of folks here who genuinely enjoy the game, some of them may even consider it game of the year material (the more I play, the more I think so myself). However, you also need to step back and take a look at the OT thread and remember the age old story of “The boy who cried wolf”. Take a look at the 3 individuals who are the most loud in that thread. DenchDeckard, SenjutsuSage, PunishedMiku. Some of the most aggressive and open console warriors (and in the case of Sage, a literal astroturfer) on the Xbox side. Why would anyone believe a console warrior, let alone a group of them, that often praise literally anything and everything that that company does? They have made these claims for so long that no one believes them and people who *are* really enjoying the game want them to shut their damn mouths because their word actively *hurts* the reality that this game is genuinely fantastic. Not to mention the other warriors who aren’t even talking about the game in taht thread, but instead bitching and throwing “shade” at the competitor. Thankfully mods are cutting them down as they rightfully should as they are utter twats ruining any actual discussion that can take place.That is 100% purely your opinion and not a fact. Don't you dare try to erase other people's experiences and opinions because they don't line up to yours.
To sit here and act like people who praise HFR are just desperate Xbox fans is disgusting. I'm the last person to defend Xbox. This game is an ultimate dream of mine and I will give it the praise I freaking damn well please. I also highly praised Sifu and Stray from last year. I like these highly polished smaller scale games backed by big publishers.
Journey was a smaller game and got game of the year when big games like Fallout 3, Mass Effect 3, Dishonored, Assassin's Creed 3, Borderlands 2, Sleeping Dogs, Max Payne 3 Halo 4, Spec Ops the line, Diablo 3, CoD, Prototype 2, Kingdom Hearts DDD, and Dragon's Dogma were released.
It isn't unheard of.
Hmm interesting. I didn't see too much aggressiveness on the OT but I'm still somewhat new to these forums still, so I am not familiar with the whole history of people's posts. I have made plenty of counter arguments to excessive Xbox praise. I just have a Nintendo Switch and PC so I can basically play anything. I'm just glad to share enjoyment with people as I seem to like games like HFR and Sifu. I have been mostly jaded lately with gaming and this was everything I wanted. I get kind of frustrated when people make assumptions about people who genuinely enjoy the game.You are absolutely correct that there are plenty of folks here who genuinely enjoy the game, some of them may even consider it game of the year material (the more I play, the more I think so myself). However, you also need to step back and take a look at the OT thread and remember the age old story of “The boy who cried wolf”. Take a look at the 3 individuals who are the most loud in that thread. DenchDeckard, SenjutsuSage, PunishedMiku. Some of the most aggressive and open console warriors (and in the case of Sage, a literal astroturfer) on the Xbox side. Why would anyone believe a console warrior, let alone a group of them, that often praise literally anything and everything that that company does? They have made these claims for so long that no one believes them and people who *are* really enjoying the game want them to shut their damn mouths because their word actively *hurts* the reality that this game is genuinely fantastic. Not to mention the other warriors who aren’t even talking about the game in taht thread, but instead bitching and throwing “shade” at the competitor. Thankfully mods are cutting them down as they rightfully should as they are utter twats ruining any actual discussion that can take place.
This can also be pointed out in a number of the Playstation threads as well, before that tired argument is brought up.
Add in the fellow giving it 9.5/10 and claiming it'd have been second runner up for GOTY 2021.
Can't deny there were tons of impressions in that thread just as enthusiastically positive as posts that are being labeled 'hyperbolic' in the HFR thread.
I wonder the need for 'pushback' for what are essentially subjective opinions of a game's quality.
People are going "this is the most fun I've had in gaming in years" only for others to indignantly tell them they can't really be having that much fun. Weird shit.
This gif made my stomach hurt through laughing
That's only because inflation is making dollars worthless.Nah, they were already expecting the dip ahead of time. They are ready for hitting $3 trillion in the next 2 years.
Don’t spread the stupid please friendXbox ambassador… yikes
Sales say otherwise.A whole year, we just saw the results of the experiment. They were able to float on good will the whole of 2022.