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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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mansoor1980
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seamless LOD transition is a beautiful thing
yamaci17
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pretty much. rt gi is beast, but the density of foliage in this game is insane. and they have insane geometric quality somehow
and all that without weird pop in or artifacts. this is the true first proper nextgen open world game. even cyberpunk has its massive flaws with its geometric density. if they add path tracing to this game, it will probably go crazy even further
so much foliage you can't even see if the game has poor draw distance or not. but it does not. so much density that you have to find a tower or something to see some distance lol
i simply don't think this would be possible on ps4, even without rt gi
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mansoor1980
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cyberpunk 2077 has some of the worst LOD and model pop-in , HFW also suffers in that regardpretty much. rt gi is beast, but the density of foliage in this game is insane. and they have insane geometric quality somehow
and all that without weird pop in or artifacts. this is the true first proper nextgen open world game. even cyberpunk has its massive flaws with its geometric density. if they add path tracing to this game, it will probably go crazy even further
so much foliage you can't even see if the game has poor draw distance or not. but it does not. so much density that you have to find a tower or something to see some distance lol
i simply don't think this would be possible on ps4, even without rt gi
The technical aspects of this game is making me want to play it, it seems like the devs really wanted to push things tech-wise which is commendable.
GooseMan69
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It’s actually a solid game too. I’ve been out on Ubi but this is the best thing they’ve made in years.
Dampf
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The ground is pretty last gen though. Really flat, not much geometric detail. Comparing to stuff like DS2 and Hellblade 2, there's a world of difference.pretty much. rt gi is beast, but the density of foliage in this game is insane. and they have insane geometric quality somehow
and all that without weird pop in or artifacts. this is the true first proper nextgen open world game. even cyberpunk has its massive flaws with its geometric density. if they add path tracing to this game, it will probably go crazy even further
so much foliage you can't even see if the game has poor draw distance or not. but it does not. so much density that you have to find a tower or something to see some distance lol
i simply don't think this would be possible on ps4, even without rt gi
Win31enjoyer
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I appreciate that Ubisoft has been investing in their own tech instead of switching over to the stutter engine.
Bojji
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Alex showed this in the video, RT reflections upgrade how some materials look (like in IJ):
TheRedRiders
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Not sure what the current consensus on this thread is regarding the visuals of AC Shadows - but personally, I am extremely impressed, the environment, foliage, lighting, and shading are supreme. It feels like a truly next-gen game.
Bojji
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There are some last gen elements in it but yeah, overall it looks very good IMO.
GooseMan69
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I’ve come around on it. It’s a beautiful game.
Schmendrick
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The moment animations and models in general come into play, which both lag massively behind sth like HFW, I can`t support that statement anymore. It`s still too much of a mixed bag.
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Liopleurodon
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I wonder what will Final Fantasy XVII first trailer look like...
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It seems like everyone loves it. Even in the main OT people are raving about the visuals which isnt very common. However, I personally am very underwhelmed. Aside from the weather, it looks fairly cross gen. The lighting, foliage and materials are competent but have been better by several UE5 games and especially the two Snowdrop games. I walk and literally horse around the map looking for amazing visuals that i could gif up, but have yet to find something giffable. Weather is the only time when im truly impressed.
With all that said, I am very happy that everyone else loves it. Especially this game which had a very nasty hate campaign leveled against it. For a long time now, people have glossed over great looking games this gen and while I might have sided with them 2 years ago, 2023 and 2024 had some stunning looking games that the majority of this board and twitter simply ignored. It's good to see that the hard work of the devs is finally being appreciated. They went out of their way to add RTGI, weather effects, hair physics, destruction, and while it might not have come together to create a truly next gen game IMO, i am still glad others see the effort made with this game.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yeah, it's a great game. I like the combat, and its great to see Ubisoft finally put some work in killing/takedown animations again. I feel like they were taken out of the engine after Unity and they are finally back and they are glorious. the actual attack and dodge animations might feel a bit clunky still, but they are still competent enough.
I like the mission design too. This is what Avatar was trying to do back in 2023 but failed miserably.
Buggy Loop
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You guys are making me want to play an Assassin creed game... wtf
DanielG165
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I think Shadows might have the densest forests I’ve ever seen in a game? Honestly insane how there is this much foliage and coverage, yet all of the detail is maintained due to Ubisoft’s own version of nanite, and that detail is extended incredibly far with the stellar LODs.
flying_sq
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Not sure if you know about this for the AC games, but did a lot for AC Unity. Not sure if it still works with the ShadowsLmao dude you need to pick tougher guys, like if we ain't considering unreal5 nanite titles, how about ubisoft's very own Avatar, Watch Dogs 2&legion?Or Day's gone&KCD2? Or if you want to mess around further, considering modded rdr2?Even spiderman 2 ain't a bad choice you know. Btw you don't even have to lock 30 fps to accomplish better results for testing these ones.
Back to your choice, about Horizon and GOT's lod, I'd say anything else from ps4-ps5 era comparing to these two there goes a "generational leap", except for cp2077 maybe? In Witcher 3 there are mods to extend lod further away so it's actually not staying in the same league. From my testing, Horizon's draw distance is totally hopeless as turning up lodslider via camera tool can push a 5090 to its knee when you flying in that slow ass robot dinosaur, and the end result is the game itself visually goes toward minimum uplifts, almost like the rendering engine itself is never meant for this job.
Anyway, all these stuff, doesn't change the fact for asscreed we certainly deserve better,. I'm not asking the scene to have high quality models and textures in every spot, no, no open world can achieve perfect results in this gen, but at least devs should handle the scene better to hide the flaws away. In 2025 you still choose to turn mid-distance terrain into a absolutely mud painting without any textures details at all, lacking distant grass despite set the game world in a lushy mountainous country, and label itself as a proper graphics evolution? And ppl think this looks like a graphical showcase deserving to stargaze on top-end pcs? Seriously? Things like these are hard to ignore even when you view on phone and tablet screens let alone bigass monitors and tvs.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Their version of nanite doesn’t support foliage. Ground level detail is also not using virtualized geometry. Only the buildings do.
Gonzito
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you should, the gameplay is great too, very polished
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I know right… I even created the fucking Ubisoft account on ps5 …
Myuni
Member
This looks very nice indeed!I am incredibly impressed with Shadows (playing pro quality mode)
Feels OK for 30fps. I can play like that.
But the environment interaction, wildlife, rtgi. Game looks just fantastic.
And this is in-gameplay model. Of course framed with photo mode. but not cutscene!
Though I didn't get hooked by any title of the series yet, I might check out Shadows just for the graphics.
Still have to finish KCD2, and DS2 ain't that far away either... need more spare time.
Xtib81
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On PS5, Shadows looks good but draw distance and pop in are still a problem ffs. As I understand it, virtual geometry doesn't apply to vegetation ? That's actually the one part that needed it, I'm really tired of seeing grass or leaves appear as the player is moving.
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TacoSavage
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the tech in this game and the image stability is just bonkers in balanced mode on pro. havent been this impressed since 30fps mode in cyberpunk on ps5 re-released. Ubisoft will be adding additional ray tracing for fidelity mode in the coming days/weeks. very impressive and the global lightning tech completely transforms the game. there is no shimmer, minimal pop in, its high res, the weather effects are stunning. it reminds me of red dead 2 on xbox one x in 4k where i should roamed around the world and couldn't believe how good it looked. if they didnt fuck up the storyline and everything on that front, this would have been the best AC they ever made or top 2-3. The only other game to completely blow me away was Horizon 2 on Pro in balanced mode and this is right up there where you truly wonder how is this $700 box able to push this level of tech.
I want The Division 3 in this game engine, its going to be crazy.
I want The Division 3 in this game engine, its going to be crazy.
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Insane Metal
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DanielG165
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Yeah, the draw distance is nuts. Nothing gets mushy, even when you’re looking at a massive cluster of trees that are miles away in-game.
Polygonal_Sprite
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Well one is being illuminated by a moon the size Jupiter and one is not so it's going to change the entire lighting of games using RTGIHere is a comparison of night time in Avatar and AC Shadows. The lighting really feels dated here. Downloading Outlaws now to check that game too.
Polygonal_Sprite
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What is "modded RDRII" ? like insane foliage density? never seen that!Lmao dude you need to pick tougher guys, like if we ain't considering unreal5 nanite titles, how about ubisoft's very own Avatar, Watch Dogs 2&legion?Or Day's gone&KCD2? Or if you want to mess around further, considering modded rdr2?Even spiderman 2 ain't a bad choice you know. Btw you don't even have to lock 30 fps to accomplish better results for testing these ones.
Back to your choice, about Horizon and GOT's lod, I'd say anything else from ps4-ps5 era comparing to these two there goes a "generational leap", except for cp2077 maybe? In Witcher 3 there are mods to extend lod further away so it's actually not staying in the same league. From my testing, Horizon's draw distance is totally hopeless as turning up lodslider via camera tool can push a 5090 to its knee when you flying in that slow ass robot dinosaur, and the end result is the game itself visually goes toward minimum uplifts, almost like the rendering engine itself is never meant for this job.
Anyway, all these stuff, doesn't change the fact for asscreed we certainly deserve better,. I'm not asking the scene to have high quality models and textures in every spot, no, no open world can achieve perfect results in this gen, but at least devs should handle the scene better to hide the flaws away. In 2025 you still choose to turn mid-distance terrain into a absolutely mud painting without any textures details at all, lacking distant grass despite set the game world in a lushy mountainous country, and label itself as a proper graphics evolution? And ppl think this looks like a graphical showcase deserving to stargaze on top-end pcs? Seriously? Things like these are hard to ignore even when you view on phone and tablet screens let alone bigass monitors and tvs.
March Climber
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Realistically the AC forest should look like this:Well one is being illuminated by a moon the size Jupiter and one is not so it's going to change the entire lighting of games using RTGI
Or like Dragon's Dogma:
But that would be an entirely different AC game.
Polygonal_Sprite
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True although the Avatar World wouldn't look like it does either. Artistic liberty and all thatRealistically the AC forest should look like this:
Or like Dragon's Dogma:
But that would be an entirely different AC game.
That's some good ass lighting ^^
Polygonal_Sprite
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Here are the rest of them. These awards arent pulled out of someone's ass. The game really did resonate with both fans and journalists. if anything, journos reviewed the game all wrong thinking it wouldnt resonate with gamers and docked points for it leading to a relatively low metacritic.
DanielG165
Gold Member
Well, one is illuminated by a massive celestial body, and the other has nothing but tiny light sources from distant fires; there is no like-for-like comparison here.Here is a comparison of night time in Avatar and AC Shadows. The lighting really feels dated here. Downloading Outlaws now to check that game too.
If anything, Shadows would be pitch black if we were to make it ultra realistic, but then you wouldn’t be able to play the game in any active way until sunrise.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
well then thats where cinematography comes in. they are allowed to take some creative liberties.
Case in point, horizon zd:
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Alex11
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Yeah, that would require massive gameplay structure changes, although it would be interesting and it wouldn't always be pitch black, at full moon you would still see, only in a forest maybe and even there your eyes would adjust.
I wish there were games that simulate accurate eye sight (think I played some, can't remember now), most make the lighting in games based off of a camera and not how a human would see, the lighting in almost all games and even movies is not the most realistic or accurate, so everything that isn't how we see it has a form of creative input and so there's a lot of subjectivity.
Represent.
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Shadows is the real deal.
Amazing first impression
I’m loving it so far
Amazing first impression
I’m loving it so far
Balducci30
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Really? I thought everyone thought it wasn’t that great looking - but now the sentiment seems to be changing in here
its the whole RTX Racer situation all over again. honestly i feel like it was a 100% lie in order to boast sales. They said it would release then a week later said it WAS released and that it was now available. Then posted a fake download link that doesn't work to articles. Then removed the fake download link days later.
The whole thing screams the typical Nvidia scam.
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In talking more about the overall package as a game itself rather than just graphics.
Not better looking than Horizon: burning shores but the combat and visuals blend together very nicely
There was a piece of wood on fire, I hit a guy into it, mid combat, and he caught on fire. Shit like that will make me rate your game higher
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ChiefDada
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Balducci30
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I liked the way Nosferatu and Nope shot their nighttime scenes - would be cool to get a version of that look for a game, where it becomes sort of monochromatic
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I’d say it’s more consistent than horizon fw because of the rtgi handling interiors and indirect lighting scenarios much better. Draw distance is way better. Weather effects are better. Materials are better. Wood looks like wood with proper light bounce but that’s only on pc.
That said, the actual lighting is mostly the same. character models are better in Horizon. Cutscenes and dialogue trees are better. Foliage and trees look the same. Water is better. Overall, id say they are both on par with each other.
If you want to see better trees and foliage play wukong and avatar. This game just looks cross Gen to me.
Bojji
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There are things that can't be shown on screenshots, like good HDR support, quality of animations and how dynamic the world is (weather, physics...). This game can look stunning with high contrast HDR scenes (and this is all dynamic too).
Many UE5 games have fatal flaw of not supporting HDR (for whatever reason).
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GooseMan69
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Another impressive thing about Shadows is the minimal amount of clipping. Most open world games like this struggle with that aspect, even Red Dead 2 had tons of issues with it. Every outfit I’ve equipped on Naoe has looked awesome. Cloth physics look great. Ubi made huge strides in that department and I hope other games follow suit.
I’m honestly so impressed by it the more I play, after a slightly underwhelming prologue.
I’m honestly so impressed by it the more I play, after a slightly underwhelming prologue.
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Jack Howitzer
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Basically trying to reach the draw distance limit the engine actually supports: Eliminating mid-to-far distance ugly low detail models in order to match the geometry lod draw distance to game's photomode max camera zoom level, and disable map culling to correct some rendering errors. And more importantly, extending the rendering distance range of hq detail map buildings further away. All thanks to this genius dude found these methods:
Increased Geometry Level of Detail
Allows the increase of the geometry level of detail slider above 1.0 without breaking the lod.
www.nexusmods.com
Imo, set the lodscale value to 2.5 is the ideal way to go, as 80% above game assets are same as 3.0.And when there goes some differences, they're still being controlled in a very acceptable level ,e.g. when under lodscale 3.0 the hq model's rendering range is 600m,then it's like 480m+ at worst when play with lodscale 2.5, so its more cost reasonable quality wise, as 2.5 already becoming very cpu&gpu hungry ]
Some old comparison shots:
