Groundbreaking Findings on the Giza Pyramid Complex Could Re-Write Human History

Bitmap Frogs said:
Dissident opinion without solid evidence = grift
Dissident opinion with solid evidence = new orthodoxy

That's being rational. Have you read their 2022 paper on another pyramid? Because I have: they essentially claim to have found a new method to reanalyse data and get additional detail, but they themselves admit it's just theoretical and only in-situ findings can confirm its validity. Given that we have muon tomography of the great pyramid and only one new void has been found, one wonders why so far they've chosen to ignore it to see if their data matches it. Here's a video of the chamber they found:
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Respond to the points I raised, and I'll respond to yours.

What I will say is though is that I think your formulation of terms is faulty; Multiple competing theories may be considered not to be invalid or disproven simultaneously, and characterizing any unproven theorem as a "grift" (i.e. a deliberate scam or attempt to deceive) is weirdly hostile and defensive.

Evidently you have strong feelings on these issues, but as I mentioned previously - to me - this is essentially a curiosity/talking point. I'm not claiming expertise or deep insight, just a willingness to entertain more radical possibilities. Specifically I suppose the potential existence of lost civilizations predating dynastic Egypt going back the ice age.

Generally my disposition is one of skepticism when presented with rigid interpretations of inherently fuzzy or opaque phenomena. Which isn't to say that I endorse every crank viewpoint, just that I think that when there are significant gaps in our understanding I prefer to remain open-minded to all possibilities.

@InternationaPun

Your view is incredibly simplistic and naive. "Tests" performed are selective, not universal. Hence they can shaped by vested interests and politics. Science runs on money as much as any other large-scale endeavour.
 
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Chuck Berry said:
Yeah archaeologists can't stand him :messenger_tears_of_joy:

I like Graham though, full of shit or not. Who knows. Dude gets you thinkin.
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The thing that I don't get is that, if he's full of shit, why do they waste their time attacking and smearing him? If he's a hack then just ignore him, makes me think they're threatened by his theories/findings.
 
I do t understand what's actually going on but
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The Fartist said:
The thing that I don't get is that, if he's full of shit, why do they waste their time attacking and smearing him? If he's a hack then just ignore him, makes me think they're threatened by his theories/findings.
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I don't think actual geologists/archeologists/scientists "attack" him so much as just ignore him, don't let him speak at actual academic meetings, or try to rub some legitimacy on his work by associating with them.

I think Graham is on to some things, like an asteroid impact ending the ice age, but that doesn't mean that some sort of bronze/iron/microchip using pan-global culture was wiped out but conveniently left ZERO evidence of themselves (or the precursor civilizations that were required to develop that level of tech).

Mineral deposits haven't changed. We are leaving irrevocable scars on the planet with out mining techniques. That gold, silver, tin, cobalt, and uranium ain't going anywhere, so if some previous culture was harvesting that stuff for their use, and doing it on a large scale, where is the evidence? Graham works in the holes of evidence. No ships or ruins suggest what he says, so he goes where no one else has and says "see, if we just explored more, we'd find it!".

I think we will eventually dig up some stuff in turkey that is conclusive that there were societies capable of large engineering projects (Gobekli-tepe for example) but it was all stuff they could do with stone, wood, animal/plant products, maybe some limited metals or pottery Doubtful it was telepathy, telekinesis, Roman level tech, or aliens.
 
I'm sure all this is bullshit. I would love for there to be elevators 2km deep under the pyramids that takes you to a secret underground city full of mole people though.
 
IntentionalPun said:
This is nonsense IMO. Science is about endlessly testing itself, and that is exactly what happens. There are thousands of organizations all over the entire world doing various studies, there is no one set of "politics" controlling anyone.
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Come on, this is not true. In fact, this is light years away from the truth and what we are living in this era is the polar opposite of science working with independency. It's mind-numbing to claim otherwise after what has happened in the last five years.

In this particular case, as in many others, I remain skeptical not because of the source (authority fallacy works both ways) but for the simple fact that the data he's provided thus far don't lead to his conclusions.
 
Pretty interesting, but looking into it, these renders were made based off of some pretty generous assumptions from the sonar findings. The only way we will ever find out during our lifetime is an actual expedition, but the Egyptian government would probably never allow it.
 
If there was a realistic chance of uncovering something groundbreaking Egypt would've already been intimidated to allow for expeditions and digs. And even if this some global secret I wouldn't be hugely surprised if someone declassifies it one day and confirms aliens involvement. I guess it's a result of watching too much Stargate and consuming too much popculture. ;)
 
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winjer said:
This guy is deep into conspiracy theories, UFOs, spirituality non-sense and the like.
He is not a scientist and is very far from being a reliable source.
Seems like he is the kind of guy that makes stuff up to sell his youtube channel and twitter.
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yup, a nutjob to be laughed at, not to be taken seriously
 
Saiyan-Rox said:
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Unless this guy says it I ain't buying any shit from a Twitter nutjob
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nah that dude is an asshole that wants to make it seem like he discovers everything there and blocks researchers from doing actual research.

for anything Egyptian archaeology:
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for general archaeology stuff:
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World of Antiquity

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Clear said:
Respond to the points I raised, and I'll respond to yours.

What I will say is though is that I think your formulation of terms is faulty; Multiple competing theories may be considered not to be invalid or disproven simultaneously, and characterizing any unproven theorem as a "grift" (i.e. a deliberate scam or attempt to deceive) is weirdly hostile and defensive.

Evidently you have strong feelings on these issues, but as I mentioned previously - to me - this is essentially a curiosity/talking point. I'm not claiming expertise or deep insight, just a willingness to entertain more radical possibilities. Specifically I suppose the potential existence of lost civilizations predating dynastic Egypt going back the ice age.

Generally my disposition is one of skepticism when presented with rigid interpretations of inherently fuzzy or opaque phenomena. Which isn't to say that I endorse every crank viewpoint, just that I think that when there are significant gaps in our understanding I prefer to remain open-minded to all possibilities.

@InternationaPun

Your view is incredibly simplistic and naive. "Tests" performed are selective, not universal. Hence they can shaped by vested interests and politics. Science runs on money as much as any other large-scale endeavour.
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My view is based on known facts, yours is pretending fantasy tales are real.

Due to how much you keep repeating "how important is it to me", I can only conclude that you're projecting and your self called "curiosity/talking point" instead responds to more deeper held beliefs, otherwise you'd be less confrontational about it. Oh and don't expect me to honour your rubbish statements about the state of archeology, a strategy that's been brandished by most of these grifters to dismiss hard earned knowledge from our past to manipulate gullible people so they more easily digest their make-believe.

And certainly you are not the skeptic you claim to be, otherwise you'd have a hard time believing the tall tales spun by these grifters and fools. Heck, the authors behind this study admit their work is theoretical and unproved yet here you are fighting tooth and nail for it. Conveniently ignored, of course... as we all know inconvenient truths are the hardest pill to swallow.
 
The Fartist said:
The thing that I don't get is that, if he's full of shit, why do they waste their time attacking and smearing him? If he's a hack then just ignore him, makes me think they're threatened by his theories/findings.
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"smearing" also known as pointing out how retarded all his bullshit claims are the moment you actually look at evidence.

how would you feel if you worked in a field, and some grifting asshole tries to sell bullshit theories in that field by claiming he is the expert?
that's why they push back.
 
This is old news. Here´s how it happened: After meeting an old friend from school, this guy told the designer of the Pyramids that he has a totally secure method to make money. Just sell pillars to other persons, who themselves have to sell pillars to their friends. You just have to buy in with a certain amount, but you will surely get it back with profit! Many other Pyramids have been using that scheme already, its 100% foolproof!
 
i was there last year for the 2nd time, i cannot state how utterly fucking magnificent they are, everyone truly needs to go see em to get a true sense of the scale of these things built by man 4500yrs ago, its mindblowing.. there was no aliens, there was no ancient technology it was just pure human ingenuity on a scale and level not seen before
 
RJMacready73 said:
i was there last year for the 2nd time, i cannot state how utterly fucking magnificent they are, everyone truly needs to go see em to get a true sense of the scale of these things built by man 4500yrs ago, its mindblowing.. there was no aliens, there was no ancient technology it was just pure human ingenuity on a scale and level not seen before
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It's amazing to think that we're closer to the time of Alexander the Great visiting the pyramids than he was to the era in which they were built.
 
DKehoe said:
It's amazing to think that we're closer to the time of Alexander the Great visiting the pyramids than he was to the era in which they were built.
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yeah those sort of quotes always boggled me and the thing about them, for all there immense scale and majesty on the outside the actual inside is pretty underwhelming, the grand gallery is pretty cool but the actual King's chamber is just a small box room, now setting aside the incredible structural achievement of the actual room itself, the dimensions and grandeur in comparison to the absolute mega structure of the pyramid it's a bit meh, i'd love there to be another hidden chamber like the one that's popped up just above the gallery through the new scanning techniques but god knows when they'll do a proper excavation of it to see if it is anything but in comparison to how the Pharaohs were buried in the Valley of the Kings in which some of the tombs where just insanely detailed and elaborate, the Pyramids were rather sparse
 
DKehoe said:
It's amazing to think that we're closer to the time of Alexander the Great visiting the pyramids than he was to the era in which they were built.
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It's no surprise that the Bronze Age captures people's imagination. There are enormous gaps in our knowledge of it, and much of what we have in written form comes from sources like Greek mythology and the Old Testament, or the occasional stone tablet.

We can read in Arrian about Alexander visiting the tomb of Achilles and the people of his time took it for granted that Achilles was a real person. Us moderns didn't have any evidence of the existence of Troy until 1870, but now we can even see some evidence of the Trojan War at the correct dates. Before very recently it was just a story.

Ancient history can fill the mind with wonder, but unfortunately it also becomes fertile ground for crackpots and grifters.
 
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kevboard said:
"smearing" also known as pointing out how retarded all his bullshit claims are the moment you actually look at evidence.

how would you feel if you worked in a field, and some grifting asshole tries to sell bullshit theories in that field by claiming he is the expert?
that's why they push back.
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I'd ignore him.
 
kevboard said:
YOU should ignore him, they should not. misinformation and pseudoscience is dangerous and needs to be countered. every time he opens his grifter mouth the entire archeology community should shut his retarded theory up as quickly as possible
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Countered by calling him a racist? Because that's what they did.
 
Bitmap Frogs said:
And certainly you are not the skeptic you claim to be, otherwise you'd have a hard time believing the tall tales spun by these grifters and fools. Heck, the authors behind this study admit their work is theoretical and unproved yet here you are fighting tooth and nail for it. Conveniently ignored, of course... as we all know inconvenient truths are the hardest pill to swallow.
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I'm hardly "fighting tooth and nail for it" by pointing out how insanely defensive some people get about this stuff! Something that is clearly evident throughout this topic.

Its kinda reminiscent to me of the sort of rhetoric you get from hardcore atheists, types who are so enthralled by their self-professed "rationility" that they seem utterly oblivious to how dogmatic they themselves have become.
 
EviLore said:
It's no surprise that the Bronze Age captures people's imagination. There are enormous gaps in our knowledge of it, and much of what we have in written form comes from sources like Greek mythology and the Old Testament, or the occasional stone tablet.

We can read in Arrian about Alexander visiting the tomb of Achilles and the people of his time took it for granted that Achilles was a real person. Us moderns didn't have any evidence of the existence of Troy until 1870, but now we can even see some evidence of the Trojan War at the correct dates. Before very recently it was just a story.

Ancient history can fill the mind with wonder, but unfortunately it also becomes fertile ground for crackpots and grifters.
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One of it's biggest mysteries, is the bronze age collapse.
A fascinating story, without a definitive answer.
 
winjer said:
One of it's biggest mysteries, is the bronze age collapse.
A fascinating story, without a definitive answer.
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Yes, a fascinating mystery for sure. I'm currently reading 1177 BC by Eric Cline to get a deeper understanding of the current research. Wild that the Mycenaean Greek written language, Linear B, was completely lost and they had to develop a new one from scratch hundreds of years later based on Phoenician script. How extreme must the circumstances be for things to be that far gone…
 
EviLore said:
Yes, a fascinating mystery for sure. I'm currently reading 1177 BC by Eric Cline to get a deeper understanding of the current research. Wild that the Mycenaean Greek written language, Linear B, was completely lost and they had to develop a new one from scratch hundreds of years later based on Phoenician script. How extreme must the circumstances be for things to be that far gone…
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Seems to have been caused by a myriad of problems, that fractured whole societies. To the point that even written languages were lost.
There is evidence for outside invasions, from what are just generically called, the sea people. But there is also evidence for civil unrest, maybe popular revolutions. And even some volcanic activity that caused environmental problems that cause famines all around the Mediterranean.
It's a fascinating mystery, that some of the most powerful civilizations of that time collapse in the spawn of a generation.
 
The Med cultures were trading as far away as Britain but that doesn't mean they themselves had gone that far. If they only traded as far as Spain while the people there traded up to what was France and the British isles then the Sea people could have just been any of them heading south and east. They have to be another European group but it's strange to not find evidence of who or where they were based if they had the technology and man power to wipe out existing civilisations.
 
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