64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
He's right though. With the way Xbox is going the cloud only app future seems imminent.
When a Bethesda game can't save your system you are kinda fucked here.
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GSD European video game and hardware sales for September 2023 - PS5#1 (+175%) NSW#2 (-25%) XBS#3 (-35%) | EA FC 24#1 Starfield#2 MK1#3
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When a Bethesda game can't save your system you are kinda fucked here.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Literally the only reason I give a few of them shit! They made claims, then suddenly pretend that was never done, we're exaggerating, etc. There was an undeniable hype surrounding Starfield before launch. It's easier to just say — "yep, we hyped it, because we thought it would do better". All good! Instead? Steam is an Xbox platform, Starfield (on two platforms) outsold FFXVI so it has to be doing good (lest we forget the amount of shit they talked about this game), and it's clear that it was a system seller (this I give them a little credit, because it did move some systems).
Really, it's less disappointing for Xbox than it is for Bethesda (for me). I enjoyed what I played of Starfield, but it doesn't even come close to the amount of engagement I had with Oblivion, for example. That's not an Xbox problem. Bethesda has just lost their way.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
It is an Xbox problem.... Xbox has no eye for good games and talent. a better console platform would've seen this from a mile away and bought a better studio. How MS made the choice to buy bethesda after Fallout 76 is a wild one to me when they probably could have made their own RPG studio and got way better results.
Mownoc
Member
Unless things turn around in the next 3 years I don't even see that. At least not one with exclusive software. The worse your hardware business does and the better your software does the less sense it makes to limit your software to a part of your business that just isn't performing how it should be. Their biggest releases for the next 10 years (CoD) are going to be on PlayStation and Nintendo. How long before they decide that trying to sell consoles at the expense of their software sales just isn't worth it anymore. If Starfield isn't moving consoles then what will? And if exclusives aren't moving consoles then why make them exclusive?
If Xbox sales continue to fall in 2024 I can see Microsoft pivoting away from their console hardware even more than they already have. When they see the income they get from CoD on PlayStation how are they going to justify making Elderscrolls VI exclusive to their console hardware that is tanking. They'd be sacrificing money from software sales in an attempt to get hardware selling that isn't selling.
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Jesus Christ at that Series console decline during Starfield's launch month.
'The second biggest game of the month was also a new IP in the form of Xbox's Starfield. It was a strong launch for the game, which was also available day and date on Game Pass. However, the game couldn't unseat Forza Horizon 5 as Xbox's biggest game launch this geneation. Starfield's first four weeks on sale are 13% below what Forza Horizon 5 managed.'
Wut?
'The second biggest game of the month was also a new IP in the form of Xbox's Starfield. It was a strong launch for the game, which was also available day and date on Game Pass. However, the game couldn't unseat Forza Horizon 5 as Xbox's biggest game launch this geneation. Starfield's first four weeks on sale are 13% below what Forza Horizon 5 managed.'
Wut?
Luminoth-4545
Member
The Splatoon 3 launch and Special edition Splatoon 3 Oled for Switch last September and nothing this September caused the 28% drop for Switch. Hopefully the Mario Oled and SMB: Wonder can pick things up in October. I am Surprised that XBS dropped so bad with "system seller" Starfield though, it doesn't make much sense.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
That's precisely why, in this instance, it isn't on Xbox that Starfield turned out like it did. Lest we forget the game was set to launch the year before, when it didn't have Xbox stamped on it. It would have been even worse. The development side of it rests in the laps of Todd and co.
No denying that Xbox has a cultural problem, though. And btw, Microsoft didn't buy Bethesda, they acquired Zenimax. They got much more out of that deal than Elder Scrolls and Fallout.
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MS has always had a big problem with the console user in Europe. A large part is absolutely the roots of PlayStation, but no less important has been the treatment of the European user and the lack of interest in creating or strategies aimed at growing on the European continent.
In this generation with XSeries, this laziness and lack of motivation to improve has increased. Specific:
-Total nullity of marketing and advertising. There is simply no advertising for XSeries on TV, in the streets or at big events. PlayStation Is The opossite
-Console prices. 50 more than PS5, no renewal plan type campaign with XBO, lack of Stock in periods or bundles (there Is a no Starfield bundle)
-Absence of major releases over long periods of time and no association with 3rd successful franchises.
-Day one releases on PC, which is becoming the leading platform in many European territories and which definitely hits Xbox console sales.
It seems very evident that MS's strategy is not to lose money with the XSeries hardware and to bet on the software. He would rather sell "only" 45-50 million ww without losing money than 60-65 million losing money with large price reductions.
The fact is that the sales results are a reflection of MS's lack of success and little motivation to improve in Europe.
PS. Software in general on console in EU is in free fall. 40% for MK 1 is really tragic for the franchise. We will see in holidays if we have better situation.
In this generation with XSeries, this laziness and lack of motivation to improve has increased. Specific:
-Total nullity of marketing and advertising. There is simply no advertising for XSeries on TV, in the streets or at big events. PlayStation Is The opossite
-Console prices. 50 more than PS5, no renewal plan type campaign with XBO, lack of Stock in periods or bundles (there Is a no Starfield bundle)
-Absence of major releases over long periods of time and no association with 3rd successful franchises.
-Day one releases on PC, which is becoming the leading platform in many European territories and which definitely hits Xbox console sales.
It seems very evident that MS's strategy is not to lose money with the XSeries hardware and to bet on the software. He would rather sell "only" 45-50 million ww without losing money than 60-65 million losing money with large price reductions.
The fact is that the sales results are a reflection of MS's lack of success and little motivation to improve in Europe.
PS. Software in general on console in EU is in free fall. 40% for MK 1 is really tragic for the franchise. We will see in holidays if we have better situation.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Makes it look like Starfield decreased the console sales but I know that's not the case. Still very strange to see.
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PeteBull
Member
Hardware sales come if u got high quality games(especially exclusives), proof of that is switch sales, despite it being roughly as strong as 1/3rd of xbox one(2013 launch) it is still selling much better from xbox series, all coz of high quality exclusives, aka dev teams with talent/vision, exactly opposite to what happens with xbox series consoles- in the end talent always wins
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I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
MS really needs to buy SEGA since SEGA has a real expertise in going 1st to 3rd party. SEGA would really help MS to success this transition.
MS fanboys calling MS to buy SEGA are really inspire when you look at the numbers. MS is going 3rd party, it’s now a matter of tme.
MS fanboys calling MS to buy SEGA are really inspire when you look at the numbers. MS is going 3rd party, it’s now a matter of tme.
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Sarcasm or not — nah. Leave SEGA alone.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
The Xbox hardware in a death spiral in Europe. But more concerning is the US market declining massively for them compared to last gen, as that is 60-70% of their worldwide sales iirc.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
I am a 100% sarcastic bro. I
SEGA so much (and ATLUS too).
PeteBull
Member
Imagine next yakuza/like a dragon game in the series with all shit starfield is plagged with- loading screen every few seconds, ugly af npcs, all women ugly or super ugly, emphasis on having pronounc, nasty bugs, lifeless/souless areas that give u depression- would be super sad
If xbox ppl from peter moore's era saw what current xbox is doing they would be like
achieved the highest engagement 
in Europe
too.
Luminoth-4545
Member
Now that we have the year over year increases/decreases from Europe, U.S and Japan I think hardware shipments for the July to September quarter (FYQ2) will be something like this:
PS5
3.30m for FYQ2 22/23
4.70m prediction for FYQ2 23/24
NSW
3.25m for FYQ2 22/23
2.75m prediction for FYQ2 23/24
XBS
1.90m estimate for FYQ2 22/23
1.80m prediction for FYQ2 23/24
PS5
3.30m for FYQ2 22/23
4.70m prediction for FYQ2 23/24
NSW
3.25m for FYQ2 22/23
2.75m prediction for FYQ2 23/24
XBS
1.90m estimate for FYQ2 22/23
1.80m prediction for FYQ2 23/24
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
Except with MS Office they were by far the biggest player. They also had the biggest email platform in Exchange which they were pushing online alongside MS Office.
The market is completely different from perspective of competition, or rather lacking it in the Enterprise at least. Google is making inroads of course, but not enough to drive down MS revenue.
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killatopak
Gold Member
balls of snow
Member
Phil gonna buy gta next. All in the name of competition of course.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I remember saying on several occasions that Foza reached 10 million faster than Starfield and I found that a bit strange.
Yesterday.
I believe the numbers were good for Forza Horizon 5, but the way the game is charting on Steam and Europe charts, it might not have the legs or the growth needed to be that hit title.
TheGodfather07
Member
Xbox still down yoy even with starfield and no stock issues? Where are the people who were saying they were down because of shortages earlier this year? There never was shortages. It was bullshit. Xbox series is in decline already and will struggle to sell 50m lifetime. Even 40m might be a stretch.
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Mownoc
Member
Which they legally cannot do until 2034 at the earliest.
Is that true? I didn't know that. I wasn't saying that because that's what want by the way. I very much dislike them, just not a lot seems to be going well for them.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Am I the only one that feels Xbox is going to become full-on third party very soon?
They would keep GamePass going, but it would be for their PC gamers and to promote their PC store, then they would be releasing their games on PS.
Cause at this point, what is really the point in having a console or being exclusive, regardless of what people feel of Starfield, can you imagine how sales of that game would have been if it was on PS?
They would keep GamePass going, but it would be for their PC gamers and to promote their PC store, then they would be releasing their games on PS.
Cause at this point, what is really the point in having a console or being exclusive, regardless of what people feel of Starfield, can you imagine how sales of that game would have been if it was on PS?
GHG
Member
The best theory was that they were "sandbagging because of the regulators".
Too funny.
Mownoc
Member
The have signed 10-year binding contracts with both Nintendo and Sony:
Microsoft & Sony Sign Binding Agreement To Keep Call Of Duty On PlayStation
Phil Spencer confirms
www.purexbox.com
Microsoft makes its 10-year Call of Duty pact with Nintendo official
Microsoft has signed a "binding" 10-year deal to provide CoD access to Nintendo consoles with full parity.
www.engadget.com
Ubisoft also have the cloud streaming rights to all Activision titles for the next 15 years, so theoretically Ubisoft could bring all Activision titles to PlayStation/Nintendo via cloud streaming:
You can play Call of Duty on Ubisoft Plus now
Following the CMA's rejection of Microsoft's Activision Blizzard deal, Ubisoft has acquired the streaming rights to Call of Duty and other Activision games.
www.pcgamesn.com
Negotiator101
Member
Gamepass maybe?
You lot are so worried about Xbox it's an obsession at this point, what's all this scaremongering achieving exactly? Microsoft aren't exiting the console business so don't worry your little heads about the trillion dollar company 
kaizenkko
Member
I think this never gona happen. Microsoft is not buying publishers to be just a great third-party publisher, they want dominate the gaming space. If they fail in that pursuit, I think they will just give up of gaming.
GHG
Member
Gamepass maybe?
Coming from Mr emoji himself?
Mownoc
Member
That makes zero sense. These games aren't gamepass exclusives they're already on steam.Gamepass maybe?
SimTourist
Member
I honestly think that wouldn't make a difference, people will give up CoD before they give up Playstation. It would simply create an opportunity for something else like Battlefield to swoop in and grab a lot of players easily.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
It's not the rebrand that really threatens EA FC, it's a new competitor and more importantly a new competitor WITH the FIFA name AND marketing.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
I really believe that Xbox would make more money as a full-on third-party publisher than it has as a platform.... ever.
There is no shame in being a third-party publisher, especially with the amount of IPs Xbox now has. What's even better is that it puts them in this unique position where they could actually give Steam on PC a proper run for its money.
If we are being honest, Xbox, all of this gen, has already been third party. All their games are available on PC and Xbox consoles day 1. let's call it what it is, doing that means you are making your games available for more than one platform on day 1, that's as close to being a third-party pub as anyone would get. Far removed from sonys approach of bringing their games to PC after a year or two... or more. It shows their priority is first and foremost the PS console. And the sales are reflective of that.
At this point, it is apt to say, that Xbox is that third-party publisher that releases games for everyone.... except Playstation.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
It gave it a small bump and in late september and october, it fell off most charts. This suggests that that bump will be short-lived. By November they'll be in the red again if not October.
Unknown?
Member
To bring them to more gamers! Don't you listen to Phil?
kaizenkko
Member
You don't get it. Microsoft don't care about the money they do now, or even about the money they can do being a good third-party. They care about the money they would do with the billions of gamepass subscribers that Phil Spencer promise.
Reckheim
Member
Hearing bullshit like 'MS doesn't care about hardware sales' is some real dumb shit.
If they didn't care, they wouldn't have made the game exclusive; that's an easy 5m+ sales if they were to release the game on ps5.
There is no doubt in my mind that Starfield has been a disappointment for them internally essentially on all fronts except for Steam sales.
If they didn't care, they wouldn't have made the game exclusive; that's an easy 5m+ sales if they were to release the game on ps5.
There is no doubt in my mind that Starfield has been a disappointment for them internally essentially on all fronts except for Steam sales.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
They'll just treat Sega just like their other studios. They'll just be there making content for Game Pass.
I said recently that if Microsoft buys certain developers, then they risk killing off franchises. A lot of Sega's games are popular in Japan, and they certainly won't be a factor if they remove the games from the PlayStation platform.
The have signed 10-year binding contracts with both Nintendo and Sony:
Microsoft & Sony Sign Binding Agreement To Keep Call Of Duty On PlayStation
Phil Spencer confirms
Microsoft makes its 10-year Call of Duty pact with Nintendo official
Microsoft has signed a "binding" 10-year deal to provide CoD access to Nintendo consoles with full parity.
Ubisoft also have the cloud streaming rights to all Activision titles for the next 15 years, so theoretically Ubisoft could bring all Activision titles to PlayStation/Nintendo via cloud streaming:
You can play Call of Duty on Ubisoft Plus now
Following the CMA's rejection of Microsoft's Activision Blizzard deal, Ubisoft has acquired the streaming rights to Call of Duty and other Activision games.
I'm with on thinking they will go 3rd party eventually, you don't invest the amount of cash they have on publishers with not wanting a huge return. I don't think you'd make it back fast enough on Xbox alone. There goal is to get their services onto as many devices as possible, playstation including
Negotiator101
Member
What the Gamepass exclusive thing? Why doesn't that make sense? They are selling a subscription service (on PC as well). The ultimate goal for Microsoft is more subs, how people experience that matters not to Microsoft. Console sales are another way to access Gamepass and that's all. You guys are still living in the PS3/X360 era where console sales were everything, that's not how it works anymore, but carry on with the doom and gloom it's hilarious.
Unknown?
Member
True that. That 7 billion would have created a nice studio and possibly with tons of talent if managed right.