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[Suairyu]

I wouldn't want it "slapped on", no. Updated, enhanced, modernized, sure. I felt the same way about Nolan's Batman films, it's the only weak part of the movies for me. Both of those themes could be very malleable with a talented composer.

But the core melody is a piece of music's core expression. You can alter around it to change its tone or mood, sure, but at the end of the day its still the same artistic expression. Williams' theme is for a very comic-book, slightly camp interpretation filled with sickening amounts of optimism and pro-Americana propaganda (in the loosest sense).

Unless this new film is going for that style, such a theme would not work even if modernised, enhanced or re-worked. At the very best, it'd simply be an element of confusion thrown on top - a character from a previous continuity. Same reason why they won't keep Routh around - expectation and baggage.

Keeping the original theme would be the worst artistic decision possible.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iK7KKsO3BY

One of many reasons Elfman's Batman score is superior to Zimmer's. Shirley Walker's work for TAS is equal and sometimes better than Elfman's.

And Zimmer's best score is still Crimson Tide.

 

[Gattsu25]

The only boring thing is this statement. And it's always the same fools drawn to Superman threads to make their inherently boring meme public.

Not trying to spread a meme. Also, to my knowledge I've only ever posted about superman once before and it was only when I was asking for suggestions.

While I did read Red Son and enjoy it, I feel the more canon take on Clark/Superman to be dry.

I enjoy the canon superman personal drama but can only take it for so long before it seems too much like a soap opera. I can appreciate a superhero that is somewhat relatable or at least allows the reader to empathize with them. Superman, IMO, does neither. Clark Kent always verges as either being too awkward/shy in some stories to being too altruistically cocky in others. Whereas Superman is too ideal/impervious to be relatable. I enjoy the deconstruction of superman that went into Dr. Manhattan.

 

[Lebron]

Um, nope, Shirley Walker composed the best Batman music. Sorry fellas.

 

[Suairyu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iK7KKsO3BY

One of many reasons Elfman's Batman score is superior to Zimmer's. Shirley Walker's work for TAS is equal and sometimes better than Elfman's.

By what metric are you concluding "better"? Elfman's theme is gothic and pantomime. Perfect for Burton's Batman Universe and great when re-worked in the animated series. Would not work for a second outside of those contexts.

The best version of Elfman's original theme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOSS-ZFDMo4
Vocal version for Mask of Phantasm. Unfortunately loses a lot of its weight once you find out what the lyrics are.

 

[MYE]

If there is one thing i didnt care about in Nolan's Batman movies, it was the music.

I love both movies but Zimmer's work in there just comes off as generic action movie music #235 most of the time.

 

[DMczaf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iK7KKsO3BY

One of many reasons Elfman's Batman score is superior to Zimmer's. Shirley Walker's work for TAS is equal and sometimes better than Elfman's.

And Zimmer's best score is still Crimson Tide.

That could have been from any Elfman+Burton collab from the last 20+ years.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Um, nope, Shirley Walker composed the best Batman music. Sorry fellas.

As stated before, I put Walker's stuff equal with Elfman and sometimes superior. But I really cannot find fault with someone calling her Batman work the best.

That could have been from any Elfman+Burton collab from the last 20+ years.

Post nearly anything from BB or TDK. I can just as easily say it could be from any Zimmer or Gregaon Williams score from the last twenty years. Isn't this game fun?

Zimmer's work is great, but tons of his stuff is indistinguishable.

 

[jett]

That could have been from any Elfman+Burton collab from the last 20+ years.

 

[Dabanton]

Whoa wtf happened in here? composer wars have taken over.

 

[DMczaf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFzLRP8e4vE#t=1m20s

 

[Suairyu]

I think it's fair to say that anyone saying either of Elfman's or Zimmer's work is indistinguishable (especially in the case of the Batman themes) needs a hearing check.

There's a difference between having a voice and composing the same stuff.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Whoa wtf happened in here? composer wars have taken over.

Yup.

Back on topic, I don't know much of Cavill's work, but he certainly looks the part.

 

[dragonlife]

Would.

 

[iNvid02]

i watched superman returns for the first time last week and really liked it. i had a feeling 6yrs was enough for a new one (it is coming in 2012 right?)

 

[jett]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFzLRP8e4vE#t=1m20s

DIDLEY-DIDLEY DIDLEY-DIDLEY BOM-BOM BOM-BOM

lol, it's just too true.

 

[Sanjay]

Hollywood turns to Britain again. Is there any role we can't play better than an American?

There really is a lack of good new generation American actors, they all seem to be British or Australian.

And Batman's a fucking Welshman!

He's English.

On the other hand, Sherlock Holmes is played by an American... so who knows. However, I think Superman should be played by an American from the midwest.

Basically if your looking to cast some character role of old age (45+), look to Americans.

Andrew Garfield has dual US-UK citizenship.

It's not who you are on paper. It's where you grew up that defines you. Batman approved.

He was raised from infancy in Iowa. He's as American as Apple Pie.

Wiki says he moved away from America at the age of 3 and grew up in England.

 

[TheOMan]

quality of the movie aside, this dude was spot-on

And bring John Williams in for fucks sake

Co-sign.

 

[Acid08]

Generic White Actor gets generic white superhero role.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Snyders, Goyer, Nolan/Thomas: What a fucking powerhouse!

 

[Carlisle]

Batman role goes from American Michael Keaton to British Christian Bale.
Spiderman role goes from American Tobey Maguire to British Andrew Garfield
Superman role goes from American Brandon Routh to British Henry Cavill

What's with this trend?

 

[sixteen-bit]

Hope this turns out good.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Batman role goes from American Michael Keaton to British Christian Bale.
Spiderman role goes from American Tobey Maguire to British Andrew Garfield
Superman role goes from American Brandon Routh to British Henry Cavill

What's with this trend?

Payback for making a badass, adamantium-coated Canadian being played by an Aussie.

 

[123rl]

Snyder as Director, Nolan is Producing and Nolan and David Goyer are writing. Winning formula, IMO. I'm in.

 

[Solo]

Wow, unexpectedly great casting. Cavill was runner up to Daniel Craig for James Bond (was a bit too young). This casting basically ensures he won't be Craig's successor. Tangest aside, I really like this choice.

I may have to get excited in spite of Snyder now.

 

[Freshmaker]

Oh hey surprise its a guy that looks like superman.

Topher Grace was robbed.

 

[rollingstart]

Payback for making a badass, adamantium-coated Canadian being played by an Aussie.

Don't forget that Hugh Jackman is like a foot too tall to be playing Wolverine.

Danzig should have totally played Wolverine, dudes.

 

[DMczaf]

Payback for making a badass, adamantium-coated Canadian being played by an Aussie.

Poor Dougray Scott

Probably curses John Woo's name to this day

 

[vas_a_morir]

Wiki says he moved away from America at the age of 3 and grew up in England.

I admittedly don't know much about Superman, but I know enough to think we have a misunderstanding on our hands. I know Smallville is not a real city and we are left ambiguous as to the state in which it is located. Saying Iowa was a simplification of "generic Midwestern state" that caused a lot of confusion. The DC universe doesn't use real locations often, and Superman is no different in this regard. I imagine you thought I was claiming Garfield was raised in Iowa, but I was just speaking in response to the claim that Superman is a Kryptonian, and thus not necessarily American - A claim I disagree with because of the nature of his upbringing in a midwestern state that greatly resembles Iowa.

 

[WillyFive]

Both BB's and TDK's soundtracks are several orders of magnitude better than Danny Elfman's work on the two Burtman movies.

The definitive Batman theme.

Stay calm, you have been poisoned.

 

[Enosh]

Another fuckin' Brit? Jesus. Superman, Spider-man, Batman...

wait what?

*looks at wiki*

holy shit

 

[Freshmaker]

Don't forget that Hugh Jackman is like a foot too tall to be playing Wolverine.

Danzig should have totally played Wolverine, dudes.

Wolverine would never get KO'ed backstage.

 

[vas_a_morir]

Wolverine would never get KO'ed backstage.

Wolverine wouldn't write Hybrid Moments... so I think they are even.

Danzig deserved it, though. I liked seeing a life-long bully get knocked the fuck out.

 

[brotkasten]

noooo Will Smith was robbed

Obligatory Will Smith trivia:

Will Smith was offered the role of Superman/Clark Kent but declined, saying: "You mess up white peoples' heroes in Hollywood, you'll never work in this town again!"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348150/trivia?tr0645413

And yes, I want Routh back.

 

[Lebron]

Whoa wtf happened in here? composer wars have taken over.

It's what make GAF great, random derails.


Anyway, as for the casting, the dude has the look. Not too familiar with any of his work, though. Guess we'll see if they pull another Returns where they cast a good Supes, yet the Director still finds a way to fuck the movie up.


I still wuv you, Routh

 

[PhoncipleBone]

It's what make GAF great, random derails.


Anyway, as for the casting, the dude has the look. Not too familiar with any of his work, though. Guess we'll see if they pull another Returns where they cast a good Supes, yet the Director still finds a way to fuck the movie up.


I still wuv you, Routh

One thing is certain about this film: it will have the best action sequences of any Superman movie.

 

[vas_a_morir]

One thing is certain about this film: it will have the best action sequences of any Superman movie.

Slow-motion shaky cam c-c-c-c-c-combo

 

[norinrad]

"wipes away his tears"

 

[Lebron]

One thing is certain about this film: it will have the best action sequences of any Superman movie.

It better. I'm not a fan of Snyder, but I'll even admit he can direct a good action sequence. Though Singer could too when he wanted to. The airplane rescue scene in Returns is still probably the greatest Superman action sequence out there. I just hope for the love of Zeus they put a threatening villain in this time. I would like to think with Snyder directing he will want to have shit hit the fan with action, but you never know. I'll slap a blind kid if they put Lex as the main again.

 

[ZephyrFate]

Generic White Actor gets generic white superhero role.

wow okay henry cavill is not a generic white actor, wtf

 

[Blader]

Slow-motion shaky cam c-c-c-c-c-combo

I think he's gotten better at it. There was slow-mo in Watchmen but it was a huge improvement on 300.

 

[Sanjay]

I admittedly don't know much about Superman, but I know enough to think we have a misunderstanding on our hands. I know Smallville is not a real city and we are left ambiguous as to the state in which it is located. Saying Iowa was a simplification of "generic Midwestern state" that caused a lot of confusion. The DC universe doesn't use real locations often, and Superman is no different in this regard. I imagine you thought I was claiming Garfield was raised in Iowa, but I was just speaking in response to the claim that Superman is a Kryptonian, and thus not necessarily American - A claim I disagree with because of the nature of his upbringing in a midwestern state that greatly resembles Iowa.

Oh yeah I thought you meant regards to Garfield, but yeah I would agree with you on that Superman is definitely American and most likely grew up in mid-western or southern states.

wow okay henry cavill is not a generic white actor, wtf

Yeah he's not an American actor, oh snap.

 

[WillyFive]

I think he's gotten better at it. There was slow-mo in Watchmen but it was a huge improvement on 300.

There was a lot of slow mo in Legend of the Guardians as well, but at least it no longer happens at random places that kill the flow of the movie.

In fact, you should all watch the flying scenes of Guardians, because I think that's going to be a lot how Superman will be like.

 

[Replicant]

WOULD!

Err, I mean....he definitely WOULD do a good job for this film. Yeah. That's what I meant.

 

[Goro Majima]

I'm not worried about the nationality of the casting job. I'm sure in British acting schools they have "American Accent 101" since it's been a while since I've seen a British actor screw up the American accent off the top of my head. Or they watch lots of John Wayne movies to prepare. I'm sure it'll be fine.

What will be weird is seeing this guy in a role where Jonathan Rhys Myers isn't going psycho on him all the time.

 

[Pctx]

Finally, a worthy succession to the Reeves movies. Now we can all pretend like the last Superman reboot never happened.

 

[Chemo]

No Routh, no interest.

 

[UrbanRats]

He'll also be in Immortals this fall.

After The Fall, my expectations are through the roof, literally.

Ah, don't care about Superman though.

 

[spidye]

http://www.abilitiesunited.com/images/ChristopherReeveLegacy.jpg

"wipes away his tears"

best superman ever

 

[Koodo]

UNF, this motherfucker.