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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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krypt0nian
Banned
Ignatz Mouse said:It's like Sparta, people want to toss the weak baby over the wall.
This is why I <3 you.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
fortified_concept said:
I learn that you group people and their posts together to make it easier for you to judge them and their "agendas". If what you culled from my posts is that I am "anti-Bluray or anti-Sony", then I may as well group you under the "ignore because they suffer from persecution complex" category.
Warm Machine
Member
XMonkey said:
Can BR decode, in real time, a higher bitrate that would completely fill the disc?
Warm Machine said:
Completely fill? Well that largely depends on the length of the movie. Bluray has a maximum bitrate of 40Mbps for video compared to 29.4 Mbps for HD-DVD. Obviously, average bitrates do not hit this high of a rate, but the added space of Bluray does allow it to enjoy better bitrates compared to HD-DVD if a studio was willing to encode at a higher rate (sadly, most don't).
More info on bitrates here: http://www.videohelp.com/hd
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
TAJ said:
BluRay Player on Amazon= $460.
Please, check facts first, then post.
From Amazon:
Samsung BD-P1000 Blu-Ray Disc Player
$489.99 (Ships from and sold by Amazon)
Toshiba HD-A2 HD-DVD Player
$277.88 (Ships from and sold by Electronics Expo)
Gezz.... why can't the blu-ray camp get with the program?! I'm a blu-ray supporter, but I want these player prices to come down to a more reasonable level. If they would just offer a player at the HD-A2 point, I would buy without a seconds hesitation.
The sad part is, this trend doesn't appear to be changing. Pioneer announced just this week its second-gen blu-ray player for $1000. Sony has its BDP-S300 coming out at some point this summer for a slightly more reasonable $600, but come on! For that price, you could buy a PS3 and get the added bonus of a game machine.
The three things keeping me from going the PS3 route are 1) Current PS3 hardware sales trends in Japan and North America (Poor sales= poor developer support), 2) Lack of interesting exclusive software, and 3) its inability to up-scale DVDs to 1080i.
Samsung BD-P1000 Blu-Ray Disc Player
$489.99 (Ships from and sold by Amazon)
Toshiba HD-A2 HD-DVD Player
$277.88 (Ships from and sold by Electronics Expo)
Gezz.... why can't the blu-ray camp get with the program?! I'm a blu-ray supporter, but I want these player prices to come down to a more reasonable level. If they would just offer a player at the HD-A2 point, I would buy without a seconds hesitation.
The sad part is, this trend doesn't appear to be changing. Pioneer announced just this week its second-gen blu-ray player for $1000. Sony has its BDP-S300 coming out at some point this summer for a slightly more reasonable $600, but come on! For that price, you could buy a PS3 and get the added bonus of a game machine.
The three things keeping me from going the PS3 route are 1) Current PS3 hardware sales trends in Japan and North America (Poor sales= poor developer support), 2) Lack of interesting exclusive software, and 3) its inability to up-scale DVDs to 1080i.
CurseoftheGods
Banned
NR1 said:
Sony said that it's going to fix that in a firmware update.
Suikoguy said:
Trolling? Please. :lol
1) Current PS3 hardware sales trends in Japan and North America (Poor sales= poor developer support.
FACT: Sales of the PS3 are scary low. Go to those M-C and NPD topics and read the user posts. I'm not alone in this view. A system with a small user base means lower developer support. This has been shown time and again over the years.
2) Lack of interesting exclusive software
FACT: Individuals are entitled to their own opinions about software. Other than MGS4 and LittleBigPlanet, nothing exclusive on the system makes me want to buy it over Wii or 360.
3) its inability to up-scale DVDs to 1080i
FACT: As CurseoftheGods said, "Sony said that it's going to fix that in a firmware update." Future tense. Maybe, should, and could. As of this moment it can't, so what good is it to me?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
djkimothy said:
Here is a link
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136356&page=56
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Wait a second...
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I'm more pissed at MS for taking so long to release the HD DVD update. The original excuse was "we have to wait for the spring update". Well, the spring update came and went.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
No answer from DarkJediKnight or theBishop.... perhaps I was wrong?
distantmantra
Member
Zoe said:Some BD's are 3-for-2 at Fry's today. Looks like I can finally pick up Stranger Than Fiction
Got a list of them?
Zoe
Member
$24.99
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Casino Royale
Pursuit of Happyness
Rocky Balboa
Underworld Evolution
Open Season
Stranger than Fiction
Ultraviolet
The Holiday
The Covenant
Silent Hill
$19.99
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Identity
Black Hawk Down
Kung Fu Hustle
Fifth Element
House of Flying Dragons
Memento
SWAT
Stealth
Into the Blue
Resident Evil Apocalypse
Layer Cake
A Knight's Tale
Big Fish
Tears of the Sun
XXX
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Casino Royale
Pursuit of Happyness
Rocky Balboa
Underworld Evolution
Open Season
Stranger than Fiction
Ultraviolet
The Holiday
The Covenant
Silent Hill
$19.99
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Identity
Black Hawk Down
Kung Fu Hustle
Fifth Element
House of Flying Dragons
Memento
SWAT
Stealth
Into the Blue
Resident Evil Apocalypse
Layer Cake
A Knight's Tale
Big Fish
Tears of the Sun
XXX
DarkJediKnight
Member
djkimothy said:When was Silent Hill released?
Umm, it was pretty much a launch title. The video is decent, but the audio is pure reference. Stunning audio editing.
DarkJediKnight
Member
I've never seen Silent Hill in Canada. I bought mine from Amazon usa.
It's like trying to find The Punisher. I've never seen that title either.
It's like trying to find The Punisher. I've never seen that title either.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Hey Van, I concede the point that some people just have a hate-on for HD-DVD and it's not about consolidating to one format.
That's not me though, and I still want HD-DVD to go away ASAP now that BD is taking root.
That's not me though, and I still want HD-DVD to go away ASAP now that BD is taking root.
distantmantra
Member
Zoe said:
Eh, I already own Casino Royale and Memento is the only one on the list I wouldn't mind owning, but I have the two-disc DVD set.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Ignatz Mouse said:
Yep, I figured that wasn't you. If you go back, though, you'll see I was aiming my posts at folks who had particularly dismissive posts towards HD DVD. That stuff upsets me. If it loses, fine, but I hate it when folks act like only an idiot would own HD DVD.
DarkJediKnight
Member
Ignatz Mouse said:
People assume that Blu-ray fans want HD DVD to die because they hate it. If HD DVD was in the position Blu-ray is right now, I would want Blu-ray DEAD. It's about ending this BS as quick as possible so we can all have 1 format and don't have to look at who is releasing what on what format.
Fact of the matter is, prices will go change/go down. Specs remain the same. It's looking more and more likely that the 51gb discs from Toshiba was probably a smokescreen. At the end of the day, Blu-ray movies cost the same as HD DVD, and aside from interactive features, Blu-ray has HD DVD beat in every aspect -- people are going to bring up King Kong, saying it's the best pic avaialable. Fine give it a 35mbps VC-1 transfer with PCM or True HD - which fits on a 50gb disc and we'll see which is better. So if Blu-ray is winning, has better specs, and more support, why would I want HD DVD now?
DJK
Blu-ray has one advantage over HD-DVD ( and It's not a real advantage IMO), It's the Blu-ray higher bitrate, that's because of the crappy codecs they're using.
P.S: almost all HD-DVD movies are encoded in VC1 which is capable of delivering a better quality encode at a more moderate bitrate than MPEG2.
Blu-ray has one advantage over HD-DVD ( and It's not a real advantage IMO), It's the Blu-ray higher bitrate, that's because of the crappy codecs they're using.
P.S: almost all HD-DVD movies are encoded in VC1 which is capable of delivering a better quality encode at a more moderate bitrate than MPEG2.
Sounds like Road Warrior is going to look pretty good on both formats, and the matrix (per AVS forumers) looks absolutely stunning. So, Ive got a busy few weeks on my hands.
Plus in July I got Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead
Also, if BRD has so many exclusvie studios, why arent they taking advantage of the higher bitrates and destroying HDDVD video quality? Surely HDDVD isnt keeping them down too?
Plus in July I got Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead
Also, if BRD has so many exclusvie studios, why arent they taking advantage of the higher bitrates and destroying HDDVD video quality? Surely HDDVD isnt keeping them down too?
A new week of sales!
Blu Ray/HD DVD
Week 60/40
YTD 68/32
SI 57/43
Top 10 hidef sellers
1. Planet Earth HD DVD 100
2. Planet EArth BD 95.07
3. Night at the Museum BD 78.28
4. Deja Vu BD 68.84
5. Dreamgirls BD 67.59
6. Dreamgirls HD 44.17
7. Casino Royale BD 33.32
8. Alpha Dog HD DVD 28.91
9. Smokin' Aces HD DVD 24.42
10. Digital Video Essentials HD DVD 23.78
Top 5 HD DVD
1. Planet Earth 100
2. Dreamgirls 44.17
3. Alpha Dog 28.91
4. Smokin' Aces 24.42
5. Digital Video Essentials 23.78
Top 5 BD
1. Planet Earth 100.00
2. Night at the Museum 82.34
3. Deja Vu 72.41
4. Dreamgirls 71.09
5. Casino Royale 33.05
Planet Earth claims the top spot on both formats!
Blu Ray/HD DVD
Week 60/40
YTD 68/32
SI 57/43
Top 10 hidef sellers
1. Planet Earth HD DVD 100
2. Planet EArth BD 95.07
3. Night at the Museum BD 78.28
4. Deja Vu BD 68.84
5. Dreamgirls BD 67.59
6. Dreamgirls HD 44.17
7. Casino Royale BD 33.32
8. Alpha Dog HD DVD 28.91
9. Smokin' Aces HD DVD 24.42
10. Digital Video Essentials HD DVD 23.78
Top 5 HD DVD
1. Planet Earth 100
2. Dreamgirls 44.17
3. Alpha Dog 28.91
4. Smokin' Aces 24.42
5. Digital Video Essentials 23.78
Top 5 BD
1. Planet Earth 100.00
2. Night at the Museum 82.34
3. Deja Vu 72.41
4. Dreamgirls 71.09
5. Casino Royale 33.05
Planet Earth claims the top spot on both formats!
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Which week is that, last week?
Did HD DVD have any releases? I don't remember any, and considering that, a 60/40 split and 5 out of top ten isn't bad at all.
Did HD DVD have any releases? I don't remember any, and considering that, a 60/40 split and 5 out of top ten isn't bad at all.
rubso said:
You fail.
VC-1 and AVC are part of the BD spec, and have seen plenty of releases.
The VC-1 codec is the same one as HD-DVD ... and the AVC codec was updated by Sony and is actually MORE effecient than VC-1.
Basically, BD has the best of all worlds ... more effecient encryption, higher bitrates and more space.
Sorry FUDer.
fortified_concept
Banned
Onix said:
Funny thing is that the usual FUDers know that MPEG2 releases are getting less and that AVC is very popular especially amongst big releases. I suspect that they say the fud just to say it.
DarkJediKnight
Member
rubso said:
Last time I check the format touting "look and sound of perfect" hardly uses lossless/uncompressed audio.
Every single Blu-ray exclusive studio releases their titles with high bitrate Video and master quality audio at 4.6mbps (16bit) or 6.9mbps (24bit). DD+ 1.5mbps that Universal mostly uses is NOT lossless. Like I said, aside from interactivity, for movie experience Blu-ray offers the best audio and video possible. HD DVD does not. This is fact. There's nothing to argue.
VanMardigan said:
LOL. Are you serious?
Blu-ray release for May 1st.
Dreamgirls (DreamWorks)
Happily N'Ever After (Lionsgate Entetainment)
HD DVD release for May 1st.
Alpha Dog (Universal)
Dreamgirls (DreamWorks)
The Hitcher (2007) (Universal)
Now who should have a 60/40 lead?
#1 read my second postOnix said:
AVC MPEG-4 was used by Universal Movie "The Interpreter" on the HD-DVD too.
here
and there are more than 10 Movies on the HD-DVD that is encoded with AVC MPEG-4, so what's the problem here?
but, HD-DVD supporters are interested in Higher Quality Image by using the superior VC-1 Codec.
AVC MPEG-4 vs VC-1, we know who is the winner here.
more efficient encryption? Blu-ray still uses the AACS, give me 1 movie the use the BD+ security scheme, none.
more space and higher bitrate is not an advantage, since you're getting a better HD Experience on the HD-DVD so far. VC-1 is a god damn great codec!
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Warm Machine
Member
teiresias said:
I said it was only the MPEG2 movies that were filling the disk. I never said BR was only MPEG2.
DarkJediKnight
Member
Warm Machine said:
Mpeg-2 is going away. Every new Sony release is AVC right now. Even their catalog titles are getting the AVC treatment. When the tools are a bit more mature, it'll be the AVC and VC-1 show. Mpeg-2 at 25mbps is pretty much equivalent to VC-1 at 18mbps. Some of my fav transfers are Mpeg-2 - Blackhawk Down, Kingdom of heaven, Crank.
By next year I doubt anyone will use Mpeg-2.
rubso said:
#1 I did read your post
#2 I never said there weren't AVC releases on HD-DVD. My point is that you are implying the majority of releases on BD are MPEG 2, which is certainly not the case for current releases.
#3 I'm pretty sure the HD-DVD AVC titles are not using Sony's new encoder. Even if they were, that doesn't change the FACT that BD supports higher video AND audio bitrates.
Ummm ... Sony's AVC is the winner :lol
Sorry ... I meant encoding.
What!!?!? :lol
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