Hogwarts Legacy Switch 2 VS XSS comparison (Spoiler alert: They're basically the same)

memoryman3

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Seeing the today analysis and opinions of DF based on the footage and results...... Even more convinced that it is better to wait for the final results..... and take the material used in the presentation with a grain of salt because it suggests that not everything is working directly on a Switch 2 but only promotional material for the port announcement (Star Wars Outlaw being the first example).



720p on Switch 2 docked, matching the Xbox One resolution and notably worse than the 1080p resolution of the Xbox Series S version. Visual settings are roughly in line with Xbox One and inferior to Series S. Digital Foundry did a good job highlighting the visual compromises in their last-gen video.

 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I did not know that this is coming to Switch 2. Not a fan of Harry Potter but I've always liked the concept and the game looks like a lot of fun.
 

Kataploom

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720p on Switch 2 docked, matching the Xbox One resolution and notably worse than the 1080p resolution of the Xbox Series S version. Visual settings are roughly in line with Xbox One and inferior to Series S. Digital Foundry did a good job highlighting the visual compromises in their last-gen video.


HL is said to be running in 4K@30 by someone livestreaming the event
 

KINGMOKU

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The fact that the Switch 2 is even being compared to XSS, PS5, e.t.c. is just diabolical. I expect console relations are only going to get worse, for those who have continued to wage the war.

I'll say this;

As an XBOX/Nintendo, now PS5/Nintendo gamer(still got the Xbox, and a PC that can melt faces)the fact that these games are looking so damn close, has got me thinking, I may start buying these 3rd party games on the Switch 2. Sitting on the couch is a mighty powerful draw.

The fact that I'm actually wondering what the next COD is gonna look like on the switch 2, has got me all goose pimply. Seeing as how they are still gonna make it for the PS4/ONE gen, I might actually buy the damn thing on the Switch 2. LMAO. Still gotta see how their online shakes out, and the details, because if the Warriors really want to go in hard on something that actually matters, its the state of their online services, which, really are horrendous.
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
From the old rumour it has ADA’s clock gating. And that’s pretty much all you need from Ada on that kind of chipset as the rest of Ada improvements over Ampere are almost all focused on path tracing, SER, RT micro maps, etc.
Considering Switch 2 is not out yet and we already have RT required titles, improved ray tracing performance is nothing to scoff at for Switch 2’s longevity.
Also, basing the GPU on ADA (outside of the power consumption reduction from better clock gating) would have allowed for an easier time delivering an SoC based on a 5nm manufacturing process at least which would have reduced power consumption and improved battery life quite a bit (but then again, why give it to your customers when you can make the Switch 2 refreshes later on look more appealing by withholding improvements from the previous model?). Launching on 8 nm seems odd…

Frame gen also is probably not a good idea on consoles with low baseline fps.
Frame generation possibly no the best idea, more about DLSS 3.x / DLSS 4 and in general performance when upscaling or when using tensor cores for other general AI tasks (I do hope that nVIDIA gives dev access to the tensor cores without devs having to reverse engineer support like on the OG Xbox and PS3 before they relented).

It also got a decompression engine
True, remains to be seen if it is XSX|S or PS5 like, but it is a departure over what nVIDIa was trying to do on the GPU.
It’s custom. Not custom like old days where they would literally create the pipeline almost from scratch like Flipper on GameCube but it’s the arrangement of the components in chip which is custom.

For one it has the A78C octo core big block rather than the two A78AE clusters found on AGX Orin.

Tensor cores also benefit from AGX Orin which the GA10b are double FMA like AI data center GA100 A100 and not like gaming ampere GA10x
Interesting, unless the semi-custom here is a reduction in capabilities for the Tensor Cores (compared to the need they had for automotive).

And then there’s (?) a whatever was not leaked or if it’s even a T239 for production release 🤷‍♂️
Assuming T239, like the DF overview a while ago, was made specifically for Nintendo yes, I will give them the benefit of the doubt (people said the same with the OG Switch and it did not turn out like this, but nobody has seen any T239 in the wild before Switch 2 is out so we can count it :)).
 

SuperC

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Despite the evidence showing otherwise. I mean at this stage it’s pure denial

Yep because i overestimated the Switch 2 hardware, it wont even match the xbox 1 in portable mode

Despite some briefing from Sega that Yakuza Zero runs at 4K60, all the gameplay assets we've seen look like the same 1080p60 as PS4

And this is for the docked mode lol
 

GoldenEye98

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and take the material used in the presentation with a grain of salt because it suggests that not everything is working directly on a Switch 2 but only promotional material for the port announcement (Star Wars Outlaw being the first example).

Interesting. So footage shown in the direct wasn't all automatically Switch 2 footage?
 
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Lysandros

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According to analysis on latest DF direct the game is at 720P on Switch 2 vs 900P on PS4 but the Switch version has a better IQ. It's using some for of reconstruction possibly. But the versions look a bit too different at times. So a 1:1 comparison may not be that meaningful.
 
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pulicat

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He's done a new video where the comparison also includes the Steam Deck


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A generational leap for Switch 2 against Steam deck version.
 

Kataploom

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He's done a new video where the comparison also includes the Steam Deck


Came to post this.

I don't think this is a good comparison, which frame rate is SD targeting? Also Switch is docked.

Even tho Switch on portable will just have a resolution drop and maybe an effect here and there, the target frame rate for SD is important imo.

I still think Switch 2 easily above SD in portable mode, but we need better tests with better parity.
 

Zuzu

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Came to post this.

I don't think this is a good comparison, which frame rate is SD targeting? Also Switch is docked.

Even tho Switch on portable will just have a resolution drop and maybe an effect here and there, the target frame rate for SD is important imo.

I still think Switch 2 easily above SD in portable mode, but we need better tests with better parity.

Yeah it’s likely not a fair comparison vs the Steam Deck because I would assume that all the promotional footage is of the game running in docked mode on Switch 2.
 
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//DEVIL//

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how is this game anyway ? its abit cheap on third party sites and wondering if its fun to play for someone who isnt into harry potter stuff. like i watched the first movie or second and completely didnt care about the rest. nothing wrong with the movie i just lost track of the plot and didnt keep up or bother with the lore.

so how is this game ? related to the movie ? is it fun ?
 

DanielG165

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how is this game anyway ? its abit cheap on third party sites and wondering if its fun to play for someone who isnt into harry potter stuff. like i watched the first movie or second and completely didnt care about the rest. nothing wrong with the movie i just lost track of the plot and didnt keep up or bother with the lore.

so how is this game ? related to the movie ? is it fun ?
Really fun to me. Not related to the movie; it’s its own thing set in the HP universe.
 

Zacfoldor

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DanielG165

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That footage is not from the final build and regardless it's WAY more impressive considering Switch 2 is a handheld. Is Series S also portable?
That’s not the point, is it? The original question and topic was: which version of Hogwarts Legacy looks better between the Series S and Switch 2. The former looks better overall, objectively. The Switch 2 being portable and outputting the results it has thus far is impressive, but has no bearing on the original talking point.
 

Kataploom

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Awesome, I also saw an article saying SFVI was better on Switch 2 than XSS. Let me look.

Pretty awesome. We were expecting PS4 and we got XSS or better in some cases. That's the reality. People love to hate, but that is the truth.
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While Series S has a texture bug in this game, it was already proven that Switch 2 looks even better than with the bug fix (there's a trick to fix it in the game), but the Switch 2 also seems to lack Subsurface scattering for characters skins, which makes it be a little less demanding.

Switch 2 docked is still less powerful thank Series S, but not by a big margin, I think around Xbone VS PS4 or even smaller difference, but around that.
 

Gambit2483

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That’s not the point, is it?
That's exactly the point. A system that has portability is running at (or possibly better than) a console only system. That says ALOT about the portable systems power/value.

It's like if GBA performed and ran at the same level (or better) than a Sega Genisis (while both were on the market)....and the GBA also had a TV out.

Edit: Switch 2 isn't out yet so it's entirely possible that the Switch 2 version is indeed Better than Series S.
 
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Kataploom

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That's exactly the point. A system that has portability is running at (or possibly better than) a console only system. That says ALOT about the portable systems power/value.

It's like if GBA performed and ran at the same level (or better) than a Sega Genisis (while both were on the market)....and the GBA also had a TV out.

Edit: Switch 2 isn't out yet so it's entirely possible that the Switch 2 version is indeed Better than Series S.
Some streamer in the event asked the resolution of the game and they said "4K" in docked. I just can't find who was the streamer.
 

DanielG165

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That's exactly the point. A system that has portability is running at (or possibly better than) a console only system. That says ALOT about the portable systems power/value.

It's like if GBA performed and ran at the same level (or better) than a Sega Genisis (while both were on the market)....and the GBA also had a TV out.

Edit: Switch 2 isn't out yet so it's entirely possible that the Switch 2 version is indeed Better than Series S.
If you say so friend. Interesting times, nonetheless.
 

Zacfoldor

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The Series S version looks better, peeps. The disingenuousness is wild on this forum.
Considering the discussion a few weeks ago was "is it as powerful as the PS4" and now we have comparisons against the XSS, I think the Switch 2 is decidedly fine at this power level. It is actually more powerful than almost anyone expected(in the gaming zeitgeist at least).

I think we will see some amazing games from Nintendo and others on this thing. I've very pleased with where the power level ended up.

Anybody saying they are disappointed in this power level aren't being genuine. They obviously didn't follow this conversation online the last 2 years. Concern trolling aside, the system is quite capable.
 
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DanielG165

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"is it as powerful as the PS4"
That question was always silly to me, as just from the sheer advancement in architecture alone on the Switch 2, it was going to be significantly more performant than a PS4. Add in DLSS, more ram, and a much faster CPU than the PS4, and the Switch 2 was always going to run circles around 8th gen consoles.
 

MacReady13

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Switch 2 and series S means no true progress in games until 2032

It’s were we are.
True progress in terms of what exactly? Graphics? How much better can we go until games take 10+ fucking years to develop? It's ALL about gameplay and as long as we see gameplay innovations then I'm fine with graphics taking a backseat. No matter how much you polish a turd, underneath it's still a stinky fucking piece of shit.
 

CrimsonTide

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True progress in terms of what exactly? Graphics? How much better can we go until games take 10+ fucking years to develop? It's ALL about gameplay and as long as we see gameplay innovations then I'm fine with graphics taking a backseat. No matter how much you polish a turd, underneath it's still a stinky fucking piece of shit.
At this point, I’d take well optimized games. That’s a rarity these days without months, if not years of patches.
 

Lysandros

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That question was always silly to me, as just from the sheer advancement in architecture alone on the Switch 2, it was going to be significantly more performant than a PS4. Add in DLSS, more ram, and a much faster CPU than the PS4, and the Switch 2 was always going to run circles around 8th gen consoles.
About the "much faster CPU", can you share your estimation percentage wise? While at it, there is also the memory bandwidth disparity to consider, any thoughts there?
 

Ritsumei2020

Who did they think I was shilling for?
True progress in terms of what exactly? Graphics? How much better can we go until games take 10+ fucking years to develop? It's ALL about gameplay and as long as we see gameplay innovations then I'm fine with graphics taking a backseat. No matter how much you polish a turd, underneath it's still a stinky fucking piece of shit.

Gameplay is overrated

I’s rather focus on the FPS overlay. Thats where the fun is.
 
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