Come On Tars
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While I have you can you send me the ram and psu to consider? Running a 470 but want the overhead for the eventual higher power draw gpu
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nightmare-slain
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lachesis
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I chose the DDR5-6000 CL30 (64gb) FRO G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo CL30-40-40-96.
Not that I know much about RAM - but I researched and was told that for 7800x3d, at least - DDR5-6000 CL30 is supposedly the sweet spot, so I just picked up one from compatible model from ASUS site.
So once you are set with the Mobo, I'd head off to the manufacturer's website and find compatible RAM for that Mobo.
For gaming 32gb is good enough - but I use my rig mainly as a workstation (so I need a better CPU like 7950x3d like yours haha) - so I went with 64gb.
PSU - is a grandfathered one from my previous build many years ago. It's Corsair AX850 80+ Titanium. I think it's discontinued. but It's plenty enough for my 4080 Super.
But if you are building a new one - I'd say go to https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/ and pick anything from A tier. ATX 3.X compatible one would be better.
I've been using Corsair PSUs for many years - but this Silverstone one also seems nice at 1200W, dedicated 12VHPWR port.
Come On Tars
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Sweet bought the mobo ram. Almost done with this new build yay
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I'm looking to get a monitor arm for my 34 inch ultrawide. Save some desk space. Anybody got a recommendation that's not too expensive?
GHG
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drotahorror
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Pretty stupid that Nvidia omitted vram usage as one of the statistics. Unless I'm just thinking it should have been there is wrong for whatever technical reason.
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GreatnessRD
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Yes. Your 1% lows will thank you.
winjer
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Yes, it's well worth it.
3liteDragon
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Didn’t post my build here but I finished it in July, everything plays great at 1440p. Love it so far. Playing RDR2 rn, can’t wait to get to CP2077.
Specs:
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Batman (2022) theme.
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drotahorror
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Kind of bummed the new intel cpu's are shit.
What should I do? I've already bought Intel DDR5 which I guess can be used with AMD but I've heard there could be problems? I could take a loss I suppose and buy new ram/sell my intel ram.
Should I just say fuck it and get a 7800X3D or 14700k now? I've already waited years, so I don't mind waiting a bit more. I really wanted to stick with Intel but they've had so many issues lately.
What should I do? I've already bought Intel DDR5 which I guess can be used with AMD but I've heard there could be problems? I could take a loss I suppose and buy new ram/sell my intel ram.
Should I just say fuck it and get a 7800X3D or 14700k now? I've already waited years, so I don't mind waiting a bit more. I really wanted to stick with Intel but they've had so many issues lately.
DenchDeckard
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14700k is a great gaming CPU.
Maybe you can sell the memory for like 2 thirds the price and get a 9800x3d?
EXPO/XMP just loads timings from a profile on the memory sticks. I don't see how there would be any difference between loading them from the profile compared to just inputting them manually. Many/all(?) AM5 motherboard supports just loading the XMP profile.
drotahorror
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I was thinking ram went up but it's still only $100 for 32gb which isn't bad.
Maybe I'll grab the 9800x3d. Or hell the next one after. I do this all the time when it comes to these purchases. Always something on the horizon.
DenchDeckard
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If you have the money now. Don't wait. 9800X3D will last you years. No point in waiting.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Nobody should buy a 14700K right now. Too much power usage and we still don’t know,if the microcode update really truly fixed the issues. I’m sure they’re out there, but I have yet to see benchmarks comparing the newest microcode updates to previous ones to see what the performance penalty is.
GHG
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What's the speed and latency of the ram you've purchased?
ap_puff
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There's literally no reason not to wait for benchmarks and reviews
drotahorror
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winjer
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What is the exact model of the ram you bought?
GHG
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You should be good to go for AM5 then.
Even if that set doesn't have expo, you should be able to manually set the frequency/timings along with UCLK=MCLK and it will run as well as the equivalent expo ram.
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GHG
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Post times are typically ~20 seconds on AM5 even if your RAM is fully compatible able configured correctly.
Radical_3d
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I am a little disconnected from the PC news. I know that 5000 are coming just after Christmas, but how about RDNA4? Any rumours about them? Release date? Is it true that they’ll feature PSSR-like upscaling?
GHG
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Oh well in those cases I guess something has to be configured incorrectly.
Granted, that's a test with the newer X870 boards which have proven to be far more stable thus far.
Soodanim
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From the small amount of looking around I've done it doesn't seem to be that well documented. A few of the PC/tech YouTube channels have videos on it and there's the odd post here and there saying there are officially supported RAM modules, but that's kind of it. Definitely one to avoid though
cinnamonandgravy
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am i the only one with a hard-on for a 512-bit 5090?
memory bandwidth could be like 2tb/sec
memory bandwidth could be like 2tb/sec
drotahorror
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winjer
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It's probably memory re-training.
If the memory is stable and properly trained, you can just reboot and turn it off.
TheChumpNation
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My 11 year old gaming PC has finally died and I'm thinking I'd rather replace it than go the PS5 Pro route. Hoping folks on here can help me out as I haven't paid attention to the PC market for awhile.
I'm aiming to play new releases at high settings at 60fps/1440p. I'm not very bothered about framerates above 60fps. I may occasionally hook this up to my 4K TV, so some ability to hit 4k wouldn't go amiss.
ChatGPT recommends:
CPU: Ryzen 5 7600
GPU: RTX 4070 (12GB)
Motherboard: MSI B650M Pro (AM5)
RAM: 32GB DDR5
PSU: Corsair RM750x
Storage: 1TB SSD
Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition
And gives a total cost for this as around $1450 USD. All of this is based on its estimates from October 2023, so things may have changed since.
A few minutes on CyberpowerPC gave the following build option:
I have a 250gig SSD that was used in my previous PC as the boot drive, so I thought I may as well keep using that. I'd probably bump the data drive to 2TB.
Hopefully the above helps set out what I'm looking for. I'm terrified of making a mistake with this and hoping neogaf can guide me!
I'm aiming to play new releases at high settings at 60fps/1440p. I'm not very bothered about framerates above 60fps. I may occasionally hook this up to my 4K TV, so some ability to hit 4k wouldn't go amiss.
ChatGPT recommends:
CPU: Ryzen 5 7600
GPU: RTX 4070 (12GB)
Motherboard: MSI B650M Pro (AM5)
RAM: 32GB DDR5
PSU: Corsair RM750x
Storage: 1TB SSD
Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition
And gives a total cost for this as around $1450 USD. All of this is based on its estimates from October 2023, so things may have changed since.
A few minutes on CyberpowerPC gave the following build option:
- Gaming ChassisCYBERPOWERPC ELUNA 241V Premium RGB Gaming Case Mid-Tower w/ Tempered Glass Window Panel + 3x ARGB Fans (Included)
- CPUAMD Ryzen™ 7 Processor 7700 8-core/16-thread 3.8GHz [Turbo 5.3GHz] 40MB Cache AM5 (Included)
- CPU / Processor Cooling FanAM4 105W CPU COOLER (Included)
- MotherboardB650 AM5 with WIFI Motherboard (Included)
- RAM / System Memory16GB (16GBx1)DDR5-5200MHz Memory (Included)
- Video CardGeForce RTX™ 4070 12GB OC GDDR6X VIDEO CARD (DLSS 3.0) [AI-Powered Graphics] (Included)
- Power Supply800 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Gold Certified Power Supply (Included)
- Primary Hard Drive1TB PCIe NVMe GEN4 M.2 SSD (Included)
I have a 250gig SSD that was used in my previous PC as the boot drive, so I thought I may as well keep using that. I'd probably bump the data drive to 2TB.
Hopefully the above helps set out what I'm looking for. I'm terrified of making a mistake with this and hoping neogaf can guide me!
MikeM
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1 stick of RAM is a no-no. Always go two sticks. Can you build your own?
Longevity wise- whats the cost difference between the 4070 and the 4070ti super? Extra 4GB of VRAM which will be nice if you plan on holding on to your PC long term.
Is there a link to this build?
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april6e
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Any PC vets want to help me out as I attempt to purchase a new prebuilt (my current one is a 3090 16GB i9-9900k)? I've gotten crickets on Reddit. Just quote or direct message me if you have some advice for me and thanks in advance for the answers if I take a while to respond.
I want to buy a custom prebuilt that can play anything 4k 60fps raytracing maxed for the next 5 years at least and get it hopefully under $3300 US. Cyberpowerpc is having the deepest sales right now but I still can't get the price under $3600 for what I'm looking for. I wanted advice on what I could downgrade to get it closer to $3k US.
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4090 preferably or 4080 super
One of the x3D AMD CPUs (preferably the 7800x3D)
Case with very good cooling (
360mm cooling
2TB SSD
Really want 64GB RAM, would begrudgingly get 32GB
Motherboard with Wifi 7/Wifi 6E, Displayport, USB C
1000W Power or greater (needs to be 5080ti/5090/6090 proofed)
You can custom build a PC on Cyberpowerpc with these specs and get it to around $3500-3600 if you get the i9-14900k instead. I don't see the prices going any lower for Black Friday because the current sale already is clearance prices. But yeah, what could I downgrade to get it to be more affordable?
I want to buy a custom prebuilt that can play anything 4k 60fps raytracing maxed for the next 5 years at least and get it hopefully under $3300 US. Cyberpowerpc is having the deepest sales right now but I still can't get the price under $3600 for what I'm looking for. I wanted advice on what I could downgrade to get it closer to $3k US.
-Mandatory-
4090 preferably or 4080 super
One of the x3D AMD CPUs (preferably the 7800x3D)
Case with very good cooling (
360mm cooling
2TB SSD
Really want 64GB RAM, would begrudgingly get 32GB
Motherboard with Wifi 7/Wifi 6E, Displayport, USB C
1000W Power or greater (needs to be 5080ti/5090/6090 proofed)
You can custom build a PC on Cyberpowerpc with these specs and get it to around $3500-3600 if you get the i9-14900k instead. I don't see the prices going any lower for Black Friday because the current sale already is clearance prices. But yeah, what could I downgrade to get it to be more affordable?
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TheChumpNation
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https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Prebuilt-Gaming-PC-GM-99608
I'd much rather have it built - have never attempted doing it myself. I'm ok with paying to be lazy.
I can't seem to edit that build, it's just what the site gave me after answering a couple questions. I'm not opposed to needing to upgrade the GPU in say 3/4 years - would the extra 4GB of RAM make a difference over that time span?
I think I'd be adding a second 16GB stick of RAM to that no matter what.
ap_puff
Member
If you want to save money the #1 way to do it is to put it together yourself.
peish
Member
Next generation pc hardware will come full swing within the next 3 months, I will wait
General rule is you get better value if you build yourself, im not sure how cyberpowerpc after sales support is, main reason for prebuilt is support
Another rule is keep expectations in check, a high end pc can max settings maybe for 2 years even though big games release is slowing down now
ThatPolishGuy
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I have a question about CPU cooling for my mATX build.
Case will probably be Lian Li Dancases A3, I decided to go with Ryzen 5 7600.
I'm currently torn between Scythe Mugen 6 Dual Black Fan SCMG-6000DBE and Noctua NH-U12A.
Saw some posts about crooked Mugen 6 on reddit and there's no support here in Poland for it, and I'm wondering if its just except and not the rule. Have anyone heard something about it?
Or do I have to go with premium options?
NH-D15s should fit in too.
Scythe was considered a pretty good brand back in the day and similarly quiet as Noctua. Dunno how they fair now.
RAM I will be using is probably 2x16gb Kingston Fury Beast non RGB 6000MHz CL30.
Case will probably be Lian Li Dancases A3, I decided to go with Ryzen 5 7600.
I'm currently torn between Scythe Mugen 6 Dual Black Fan SCMG-6000DBE and Noctua NH-U12A.
Saw some posts about crooked Mugen 6 on reddit and there's no support here in Poland for it, and I'm wondering if its just except and not the rule. Have anyone heard something about it?
Or do I have to go with premium options?
NH-D15s should fit in too.
Scythe was considered a pretty good brand back in the day and similarly quiet as Noctua. Dunno how they fair now.
RAM I will be using is probably 2x16gb Kingston Fury Beast non RGB 6000MHz CL30.
MikeM
Member
You should get them to put in the matching RAM stick.
As for the extra VRAM- up to you. Some games demand more than others and that will only increase with time. Its why i’m wondering if you looked into the cost for a 4070ti super.
Thermalright just mogs everyone in the air cooler space right now. You can get a Peerless Assassin for like 35€ with close or equal to D15 performance.
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TheChumpNation
Member
the 4070ti super is $250 more give or take
I'm now looking at a used build for $1800 CAD:
Ryzen 7 5800x
Corsair H100x RGB AIO
32GB 3600mhz Corsair Vengeance RGB
ProGigabyte B550 UD AC Motherboard
Samsung 1TB 990 Pro
Asus Dual RTX 4070 12GB
Corsair RM750X Powersupply
Corsair 4000D Case
Corsair SP120mm X3 Fans
Windows 11
I know I'll be stuck on AM4, but given my use case I don't think it'll matter much for a few years. I could always pick up a 5800x3d if the CPU becomes a bottleneck over time. This price still seems cheaper than equivalent performance on AM5 even if I built myself (which after watching a couple videos doesn't seem as intimidating as I thought.
hinch7
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I wouldn't go for that. A used AM4 build at the price point is pretty bad value and instead I'd look into AM5. I'd also wait for the next generation graphics cards at this point if you have to have prebuilt.
If you have a Costco near you sometimes they have some decent PC's for sale there.
TheChumpNation
Member
I took a look at Costco and they have a couple pre-built 4070 Super options, both running 14th gen intel processors. I've been staying away from those as I saw some reports of defects?
I took a stab at planning a build that I'd put together myself:
PCPartPicker Part List: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/B3sGBL
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor ($390.50 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 EAGLE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard ($224.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($119.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ Memory Express)
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card ($846.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Montech XR ATX Mid Tower Case ($204.50 @ Amazon Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($149.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - USB 64-bit ($172.99 @ PC-Canada)
Total: $2249.93
Taxes and shipping would probably take the total to at least $2600 ... would you say going for something like the above is worth the extra $800? Or are there components here that I don't need to be spending as much on?
MikeM
Member
Im canadian too. Run a 7600x/7900xt build attached to my OLED TV.
GPU- Is there a reason why you want Nvidia over AMD? You can get a 7900GRE for $749.99 (save $100). Slightly stronger raster and more vram.
CPU- how about a 7600x? Save yourself another $100 ($299.00). If you go 7600, you save another $40 and get a free cooler. Do you need eight cores?
OS- you can buy a key from sites for $20. Save yourself another $150. You can install windows and use it without a key legally. It will be required when you build and first setup Windows anyways.
hinch7
Member
14th gen or Raptor Lake is fixed with a microcode update. So you'd just need to update the bios and you should be good to go - https://overclock3d.net/news/cpu_ma...tor-lake-has-been-fixed-with-microcode-0x12b/ Costco have awesome warranty as well, so that may be a good option.
That build looks good. If you can I'd perhaps look at the 7500F (basically same gaming performance as a 7600/7700+5800X3D without iGPU), which is more than enough for a 4070 Super. Under $200 CAD on AliExpress if new user or sign up. Then perhaps upgrade in the future for X3D if you want more performance. There's also a 7700 for under $280 and possibly more with vouchers. Will have a wait a week or so for delivery though from China.
For windows don't buy it download Windows 11 for free from Microsoft. Grab yourself a bootable USB, transfer it on there and install. You can find an OEM W11 keys on key sites for $20 or so.
I'd say its worth the extra for the platform longevity. You have way more options for expansion for storage and newer CPU's. Going for a EOL platform and still having to upgrade its CPU, just isn't worth it. Imo of course.
What to expect from your DiY build -
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TheChumpNation
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I'd gone Nvidia out a belief that DLSS and Frame Generation are things I really want - this opinion is based on very little. I've seen people talk about shimmering and aliasing issues with FSR, which I assumed would be the AMD card equivalent.
I have no idea whether I need 8 cores truthfully. I won't be doing anything with this build other than gaming and basic web browsing, multimedia etc.
Doesn't seem like there's any appreciable loss by going with the 7500F... I'll give this some more thought today.
At what point in the future do you think an upgrade from the 5800x would be needed? I'd like to be running games at 1440p, high settings or beyond, at 60fps. I don't play any competitive games so exceptionally high framerates aren't a priority for me.
Many thanks to you both for the advice!
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hinch7
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No worries! And yeah the 7500F is a bit of a bargain for what it is. Can even unldervolt and overclock it for even more performance. Realistically you won't need to upgrade that for gaming up until the next generation of consoles comes into full swing and away from crossgen, which is years away.
For gaming at 1440P, a 5800X would be fine for a mid range GPU like a 4070 Super. If you were to upgrade to something like a 4080 Super, 4090, 5080 or something along those lines I'd look into upgrading that to a 5700X3D (5800X3D's are now discontinued). Won't be a world of difference though in most games. Which is why I'd recommend (if you can); going with a forward compatible system with current technologies with DDR5. Even with a lower end Zen 4 CPU closely matching Zen 3 X3D's but in some more updated engines they scale better with faster clocks/IPC and memory.
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Donald mac Ronald
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I've been using a 5800x for awhile now. Will be a few more years before I upgrade socket. I mostly game at 1440p. Are the gains chasing to the 3d version even worth it?
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