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[Shadowstar39]

Finally good news on the lower end spectrum. I was on Amazon the other day buying gifts and seen that 1650 super is still $150 new. It was that price in 2019 when I got one as a stop gap card when my 1060 died, before getting a 2060 then stepped up to a 3060ti.

There are a ton of gamers like me still on 1080p. We don't need top end cards as we don't game at 1440p /4k. Yet the market is shit compared to the past. $200 used to mean a 60 series card. My 1060 was that price and it was great. I refused to spend more than $450 on a graphics card.

Look at my gpu purchase history since 1992... , notice the price range. Mid range cards all around $200-250 lower mid cards around 160, and a few high end cards in the 350-500 range. Never were cards 599 or more , and never over 1000 or 1900 like some high end cards today. I could of afforded a top of the line if I wanted it. Now its no where near affordable and mid range is getting too pricey too.
A 60 series card should only be around 200-250. Intel doing this is great as it will force the greedy duo to competete.

Here is my gpu history for price of someone who only got around mid range cards.

$120 - Oak Tech 2mb SVGA -circa 1992
$99 rage pro - returned it because it was crap... got me a voodoo card and it rocked. circa 1999
$130 Voodoo 3 2000 pci - circa 1999
$299 got me a top end Voodoo 5 5500 pci card back in 2000.
$199 I got a Geforce 3 ti 200 agp ( mid range at the time). Circa 2001
$199 Geforce fx 5700 2003 got me through tomb raider AOD, Hl2 (somewhat) and Vampire bloodlines.
$299 evga Geforce 6800 vanilla AGP, (card turned into a gt with a pin hack ) Half-life 2 and doom3 ran so much better. - around 2005
$350 evga Geforce 8800gts - almost top tier and could run oblivion with hdr, Stalker COP, Witcher 1 and Crysis like a champ -circa 2007
$160 - Geforce 9800 - unfortunately the 8800 took a crap so got this card to replace it was same card with some faster clocks. - 2009
$299 - ATI Sapphire 7870 gb edition - equivalent to ps4 at time of launch - 2012
$250 - Geforce pny 1060 GTX - lasted me from 2016 to 2019
$150 Geforce pny 1650 super
$380 - Geforce evga RTX 2060 - 2020
$460 (i only paid 80 as a trade in for my 2060 to evga, I miss eVGA ) - eVga Geforce 3060ti going strong since 2021.

 

[Insane Metal]

Not bad, as long as the drivers don't suck ass.

 

[grvg]

Finally good news on the lower end spectrum. I was on Amazon the other day buying gifts and seen that 1650 super is still $150 new. It was that price in 2019 when I got one as a stop gap card when my 1060 died, before getting a 2060 then stepped up to a 3060ti.

There are a ton of gamers like me still on 1080p. We don't need top end cards as we don't game at 1440p /4k. Yet the market is shit compared to the past. $200 used to mean a 60 series card. My 1060 was that price and it was great. I refused to spend more than $450 on a graphics card.

Look at my gpu purchase history since 1992... , notice the price range. Mid range cards all around $200-250 lower mid cards around 160, and a few high end cards in the 350-500 range. Never were cards 599 or more , and never over 1000 or 1900 like some high end cards today. I could of afforded a top of the line if I wanted it. Now its no where near affordable and mid range is getting too pricey too.
A 60 series card should only be around 200-250. Intel doing this is great as it will force the greedy duo to competete.

Here is my gpu history for price of someone who only got around mid range cards.

$120 - Oak Tech 2mb SVGA -circa 1992
$99 rage pro - returned it because it was crap... got me a voodoo card and it rocked. circa 1999
$130 Voodoo 3 2000 pci - circa 1999
$299 got me a top end Voodoo 5 5500 pci card back in 2000.
$199 I got a Geforce 3 ti 200 agp ( mid range at the time). Circa 2001
$199 Geforce fx 5700 2003 got me through tomb raider AOD, Hl2 (somewhat) and Vampire bloodlines.
$299 evga Geforce 6800 vanilla AGP, (card turned into a gt with a pin hack ) Half-life 2 and doom3 ran so much better. - around 2005
$350 evga Geforce 8800gts - almost top tier and could run oblivion with hdr, Stalker COP, Witcher 1 and Crysis like a champ -circa 2007
$160 - Geforce 9800 - unfortunately the 8800 took a crap so got this card to replace it was same card with some faster clocks. - 2009
$299 - ATI Sapphire 7870 gb edition - equivalent to ps4 at time of launch - 2012
$250 - Geforce pny 1060 GTX - lasted me from 2016 to 2019
$150 Geforce pny 1650 super
$380 - Geforce evga RTX 2060 - 2020
$460 (i only paid 80 as a trade in for my 2060 to evga, I miss eVGA ) - eVga Geforce 3060ti going strong since 2021.

The GeForce 6800 is probably my favorite card of all time.

 

[Holammer]

I'm dead set on getting a 5080, but if I wanted a cheap upgrade for my 1080, B580 would be it.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

They will eventually overtake AMD.

All it takes for that is a dozen buyers.

 

[tkscz]

Finally good news on the lower end spectrum. I was on Amazon the other day buying gifts and seen that 1650 super is still $150 new. It was that price in 2019 when I got one as a stop gap card when my 1060 died, before getting a 2060 then stepped up to a 3060ti.

There are a ton of gamers like me still on 1080p. We don't need top end cards as we don't game at 1440p /4k. Yet the market is shit compared to the past. $200 used to mean a 60 series card. My 1060 was that price and it was great. I refused to spend more than $450 on a graphics card.

Look at my gpu purchase history since 1992... , notice the price range. Mid range cards all around $200-250 lower mid cards around 160, and a few high end cards in the 350-500 range. Never were cards 599 or more , and never over 1000 or 1900 like some high end cards today. I could of afforded a top of the line if I wanted it. Now its no where near affordable and mid range is getting too pricey too.
A 60 series card should only be around 200-250. Intel doing this is great as it will force the greedy duo to competete.

Here is my gpu history for price of someone who only got around mid range cards.

$120 - Oak Tech 2mb SVGA -circa 1992
$99 rage pro - returned it because it was crap... got me a voodoo card and it rocked. circa 1999
$130 Voodoo 3 2000 pci - circa 1999
$299 got me a top end Voodoo 5 5500 pci card back in 2000.
$199 I got a Geforce 3 ti 200 agp ( mid range at the time). Circa 2001
$199 Geforce fx 5700 2003 got me through tomb raider AOD, Hl2 (somewhat) and Vampire bloodlines.
$299 evga Geforce 6800 vanilla AGP, (card turned into a gt with a pin hack ) Half-life 2 and doom3 ran so much better. - around 2005
$350 evga Geforce 8800gts - almost top tier and could run oblivion with hdr, Stalker COP, Witcher 1 and Crysis like a champ -circa 2007
$160 - Geforce 9800 - unfortunately the 8800 took a crap so got this card to replace it was same card with some faster clocks. - 2009
$299 - ATI Sapphire 7870 gb edition - equivalent to ps4 at time of launch - 2012
$250 - Geforce pny 1060 GTX - lasted me from 2016 to 2019
$150 Geforce pny 1650 super
$380 - Geforce evga RTX 2060 - 2020
$460 (i only paid 80 as a trade in for my 2060 to evga, I miss eVGA ) - eVga Geforce 3060ti going strong since 2021.

There are more than tons of people who go for the mid-range cards, it's the majority of people. I know PC GAF doesn't want to hear it but the mid-range card is what people can buy. The top 7 GPUs used are the 3060, 4060 mobile, 4060, 1650, 3060 Ti, 4060Ti and 3060 mobile. The 3070 follows but right after it are the 3050, 2060, and 1060. Majority of people just want to run the games, they couldn't care less about frame rate, 1440p/4K or RT. If they double click that icon and the game runs, they are happy. I've seen people run games at less than 30FPS and they just don't notice.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

There are more than tons of people who go for the mid-range cards, it's the majority of people. I know PC GAF doesn't want to hear it but the mid-range card is what people can buy. The top 7 GPUs used are the 3060, 4060 mobile, 4060, 1650, 3060 Ti, 4060Ti and 3060 mobile. The 3070 follows but right after it are the 3050, 2060, and 1060. Majority of people just want to run the games, they couldn't care less about frame rate, 1440p/4K or RT. If they double click that icon and the game runs, they are happy. I've seen people run games at less than 30FPS and they just don't notice.

Yep, enthusiast gaming forums aren’t indicative of the vast majority of gamers. They either don’t know or don’t care and that’s okay. Looking at the top played games on Steam tells you most people don’t play anything intensive either. Neither of those points will really do much for Intel though because a lot of people just go Nvidia good.

I work with a lot of younger gen z people and the vast majority of them couldn’t tell you anything outside of their specs. They couldn’t tell you what v cache means, or stuff like AO they simply buy a gaming pc because it’s the in thing right now. I always like asking them why they play on pc and they always just say because it’s better but can’t actually tell me reasons which lets me know everything I need to know about why they chose PC.

I’m not gate keeping and I think you should just play wherever you enjoy playing but my point is that the vast majority of people aren’t “hardcore”. Those people also usually aren’t buying high end components.

 

[Gamer79]

I would bite on a budget build, but the intel drivers scare me.

 

[Gamer79]

Can't believe that we're all going agree with @Leonidas that this is the undisputed bang for buck card, in the price segment as of now, at least until RDNA4 is unveiled next month and it having a $250 card that outperforms this (basically the RTX 4060 Ti on paper).

Still, gotta wait for benchmarks.

ON the hardware side it's a no brainer, The drivers are my issue.

 

[Gamer79]

Good price to performance.

Hopefully intel can fix their CPU's soon.

Do tell? I just purchased a i5-13600kf.

 

[Von Hugh]

Do tell? I just purchased a i5-13600kf.

All 13th and 14th gen K processors are affected by some questionable architecture and microcode design choices, leading to degradation. Your processor might die sooner.

 

[Celcius]

Doesn't having two cards separated by only $30 seem too close?
I can't imagine anyone wanting the more expensive card but only buying the cheaper one. $30 is like the price of two meals these days.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

ON the hardware side it's a no brainer, The drivers are my issue.

Intel's drivers improved significantly since the reviews and initial benchmarks of Alchemist's launch, they are very competent when it comes to new games. Supposedly their DX9 support has improved too, but I don't know if that's big enough to sway people one way or another. So long as the games are playable, Battlemage's performance boost might be enough to make performance hits from the DX12 emulation a non-factor.

Finally good news on the lower end spectrum. I was on Amazon the other day buying gifts and seen that 1650 super is still $150 new. It was that price in 2019 when I got one as a stop gap card when my 1060 died, before getting a 2060 then stepped up to a 3060ti.

There are a ton of gamers like me still on 1080p. We don't need top end cards as we don't game at 1440p /4k. Yet the market is shit compared to the past. $200 used to mean a 60 series card. My 1060 was that price and it was great. I refused to spend more than $450 on a graphics card.

Look at my gpu purchase history since 1992... , notice the price range. Mid range cards all around $200-250 lower mid cards around 160, and a few high end cards in the 350-500 range. Never were cards 599 or more , and never over 1000 or 1900 like some high end cards today. I could of afforded a top of the line if I wanted it. Now its no where near affordable and mid range is getting too pricey too.
A 60 series card should only be around 200-250. Intel doing this is great as it will force the greedy duo to competete.

Here is my gpu history for price of someone who only got around mid range cards.

$120 - Oak Tech 2mb SVGA -circa 1992
$99 rage pro - returned it because it was crap... got me a voodoo card and it rocked. circa 1999
$130 Voodoo 3 2000 pci - circa 1999
$299 got me a top end Voodoo 5 5500 pci card back in 2000.
$199 I got a Geforce 3 ti 200 agp ( mid range at the time). Circa 2001
$199 Geforce fx 5700 2003 got me through tomb raider AOD, Hl2 (somewhat) and Vampire bloodlines.
$299 evga Geforce 6800 vanilla AGP, (card turned into a gt with a pin hack ) Half-life 2 and doom3 ran so much better. - around 2005
$350 evga Geforce 8800gts - almost top tier and could run oblivion with hdr, Stalker COP, Witcher 1 and Crysis like a champ -circa 2007
$160 - Geforce 9800 - unfortunately the 8800 took a crap so got this card to replace it was same card with some faster clocks. - 2009
$299 - ATI Sapphire 7870 gb edition - equivalent to ps4 at time of launch - 2012
$250 - Geforce pny 1060 GTX - lasted me from 2016 to 2019
$150 Geforce pny 1650 super
$380 - Geforce evga RTX 2060 - 2020
$460 (i only paid 80 as a trade in for my 2060 to evga, I miss eVGA ) - eVga Geforce 3060ti going strong since 2021.

Hear, hear! The other thing people don't talk about is how the lines have shifted in terms of product line naming. The 80 is no longer the top tier card it was, and they have shifted the performance curve down in recent years - the 4060 is NOT giving you the performance the previous 60 series did AND the price points are higher than they have been.

I went from a 460 to 7870, then briefly a 970 (RMA'd that 3.5 GB shit) and finally a 1070 that I bought a few months after launch in 2016 that I've been running ever since. That 1070 was an EVGA SC unit and I paid $415 for a high end card at the start of the generation. The RAM boost was enormous and the performance was extremely close to the 1080, especially for the price difference. Not only do you need to pay significantly more, the 70 series is not what it used to be, more like an upper mid range card. If Intel can take marketshare in the low-mid range and force AMD to lower prices, it will be a good thing for everyone.

 

[SportsFan581]

Good proposition for the price currently but it feels like the timing is off sadly. AMD and Nvidia's new cards are just around the corner.

That's one of the things that hurt Intel the last time around, at least the price is a little better this time around, that should help. AMD probably won't be able to position the 7700xt against this one the way they did with the price reduction of the 6700xt vs. the A770.

 

[drotahorror]

Do tell? I just purchased a i5-13600kf.

If you've bought it recently, apparently everything is all good now with Raptor Lake.

 

[Kataploom]

Can't believe that we're all going agree with @Leonidas that this is the undisputed bang for buck card, in the price segment as of now, at least until RDNA4 is unveiled next month and it having a $250 card that outperforms this (basically the RTX 4060 Ti on paper).

Still, gotta wait for benchmarks.

And I can't believe we're still around 3060/3060Ti levels for mid range two generations after. I hope Intel really moves the thing.

BTW, how are these cards for someone that does little gaming and a lot of Unity + Blender? I don't render in blender but work on some high quality low poly models, including sculpting... I'm only on a 1050Ti for that computer (I have another one for gaming in the living room)

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Doesn't having two cards separated by only $30 seem too close?
I can't imagine anyone wanting the more expensive card but only buying the cheaper one. $30 is like the price of two meals these days.

Yeah, it seems weird. Getting 2 meals for $30 is pushing it nowadays. I spent $40 on two chicken katsu curries with white rice yesterday and it still wasn't as good as the $3 equivalent from Family Mart while I was in Japan.

 

[CrustyBritches]

So this is like a $250 3060 Ti?

 

[VolticArchangel]

And I can't believe we're still around 3060/3060Ti levels for mid range two generations after. I hope Intel really moves the thing.

It's around a 4060Ti in perf, not 3060, and unless AMD has something in the bag with RDNA4 with their RX 8600 (non-XT) which is likely to be priced at $250, being more faster than this + have same amount of VRAM + the rumored new FSR 4.0 being better than XeSS 2.0, I don't see this getting dethroned anytime sooner, even by the Blackwell 5060 around April-May 2025.

BTW, how are these cards for someone that does little gaming and a lot of Unity + Blender? I don't render in blender but work on some high quality low poly models, including sculpting... I'm only on a 1050Ti for that computer (I have another one for gaming in the living room)

You're better off with an Nvidia card for blender, because of CUDA.

So this is like a $250 3060 Ti?

$250 4060 Ti*

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

If they truly have that performance at that price, then that's some killer competition in that segment; if this can strike a blow big enough to AMD or Nvidia, they might be forced to adjust their pricing.
Who in their right minds would purchase anything else if this was their budget?

 

[digital_ghost]

How is it that we are potentially ending up with the same three colors in PC as in the console space?! I'm positively horrified.

 

[grvg]

Good point, I've been looking forward to battlemage for a while now, haha. I was a bit worried it wasn't gonna release due to the Intel problems.

 

[digital_ghost]

Good point, I've been looking forward to battlemage for a while now, haha. I was a bit worried it wasn't gonna release due to the Intel problems.

Same here. The PC makers be feeling the Christmas spirit with red/green/blue. Nvidia is Scrooge. Greedy as fuck.

I remember when i bought the top end gtx 980 for $499 years ago. Now the top end is ~$2,000.

Have a rtx 4060 now. I may sell it and get the battlemage. Hope I won't have to change my 650w power supply. I am not that technical lol.

 

[twilo99]

I don't think AMD or Nvidia can beat this price vs. performance ratio but let's see about compatibility/drivers first.

AMD's drivers were bad for a while there but are more than adequate now so there is no reason for Intel to not achieve the same with their software.

The B580 is perfect for a sub $1000 build

So this is like a $250 3060 Ti?

I think it's slightly better than that

 

[twilo99]

Hope I won't have to change my 650w power supply.

Depends on your CPU but you will probably be fine with that

 

[digital_ghost]

Depends on your CPU but you will probably be fine with that

My CPU is an intel 13400F

 

[hinch7]

This could be good for the market but the issue is that people tend not to even touch a GPU unless the name Nvidia is on it. Even now you can get a Radeon 7600XT for $250 and people still won't touch them. They don't even show up in the top 20 GPUs currently being used on steam. The AMD iGPU is higher on the list. Intel would have to try damned hard to break into the market. Even if it is better than the RTX 4060, people will go to nvidia before ever looking at Intel.

The lower end market and those who are only willing to spend under $300 has been largely neglected for some time. With AMD and Nvidia stagnating that tier who are still offering 8GB VRAM+128 bit bus (though that will change with RDNA 4) and the latter will continue that trend in 2025. Also, current AMD GPU's are still wholely behind in Nvidia when it comes to RT and upscaling quality.

This is a shake up needed in the $250 market where 1080P is the cap because both made AMD and Nvidia made it so. Now we have a card that can do 1440P with 12GB VRAM and 192-bit bus. At this price range is something that not heard of in a long, long time. If this performs close to a 4060Ti for $250, thats a win for gamers.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

The power, vram, and price of the 12gb version is very good for a 1080p user such as myself. Which would be enough to do well for upcoming big games like GTA VI and Elder Scrolls VI, FFVII Remake Part 3, Stellar Blade 2, RE9, etc. Although a stronger 16gb version for 350 or lower would be my dream card just in case I go overboard with modding Elder Scrolls VI where the extra 4 gb of vram would greatly help.

 

[hinch7]

The power, vram, and price of the 12gb version is very good for a 1080p user such as myself. Which would be enough to do well for upcoming big games like GTA VI and Elder Scrolls VI, FFVII Remake Part 3, Stellar Blade 2, RE9, etc. Although a stronger 16gb version for 350 or lower would be my dream card just in case I go overboard with modding Elder Scrolls VI where the extra 4 gb of vram would greatly help.

Yeah looking like a decent GPU, at least of paper. Though I'd wait for tests and benchmarks first. Another option may be to wait it out for Nvidia. Who may reduce prices for the 4060Ti 16Gb to combat this.

Also Intel may still launch the higher end Battlemage. There are rumors of cancellations of higher end SKU's but who knows at this point. The B770 and B750 will be more expensive though if they choose to release them, that is.

 

[bbeach123]

6700xt and 6750xt was like 300$ for two years .

Guess who brought the 300$ rtx4060 . majority of pc gamers .

 

[mansoor1980]

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Yeah its a decent card. Nvidia might reduce prices for the 4060Ti 16Gb so that might be the one to look out for.

Intel may still launch the higher end Battlemage. There are rumors of cancellations of higher end SKU's but who knows at this point. The B770 and B750 will be more expensive though if they choose to release them, that is.

Nice the current 12GB version for is already very good for that price but a step above that would be perfect. I think they should focus on the mid gen with 3 cards. The 10gb being the low mid tier, the 12gb being the average mid, and the 16gb being the high mid tier so they could become the masters of mid tier cards for non rip off prices.

Now I just hope their battlemage cards has quality matching Nvidias cause my GTX 1070 8gb vram is still working after like 8 years. I'll want the Intel cards to last this long too or close to it since I'm not someone that upgrades every 2 or 3 years.

 

[mansoor1980]

 

[Black_Stride]

All 13th and 14th gen K processors are affected by some questionable architecture and microcode design choices, leading to degradation. Your processor might die sooner.

Didnt 0x12B already fix the Intel issues with little to no issues regarding performance.
i.e You wouldnt really notice any changes in performance using 0x12B.

 

[Panajev2001a]

12gb vram on a $250 card makes Nvidia look like a bunch of greedy cunts.

I think Jen-Hsun Huang has “greedy c*” written on the business card, he likes to give it out whenever he gets the latest bonus for absurd profits they make .

 

[Soodanim]

I want this to be good. With current high end pricing you could upgrade to something at this price point 7 or 8 iterations in a row and still not have it cost as much as a top nVidia card.

 

[Senua]

6700xt and 6750xt was like 300$ for two years .

Guess who brought the 300$ rtx4060 . majority of pc gamers .

People want that DLSS

 

[twilo99]

Yes

Intel introduces new Graphics Software with expanded OC tools, replacing Arc Control Software - VideoCardz.com

Goodbye Radeon, GeForce and Arc Software, hello Software Intel is following AMD and NVIDIA by replacing its main software tool with something new. Now, Intel is officially introducing changes to its special tool called Arc Software. This software serves as Intel’s graphics control panel, driver...

videocardz.com

 

[twilo99]

My CPU is an intel 13400F

148W at max load for that and the new GPU will likely be around 250W but you can wait for some reviews / testing for confirmation.

I think 650W PSU will be plenty

 

[LordOfChaos]

 

[proandrad]

I would never buy this, but I desperately want this to succeed. GPU space needs more competition.

 

[Bojji]

Yes

Intel introduces new Graphics Software with expanded OC tools, replacing Arc Control Software - VideoCardz.com

Goodbye Radeon, GeForce and Arc Software, hello Software Intel is following AMD and NVIDIA by replacing its main software tool with something new. Now, Intel is officially introducing changes to its special tool called Arc Software. This software serves as Intel’s graphics control panel, driver...

videocardz.com

Intel deserves to fucking steamroll them in low-mid segment with bullshit like that. Cunts.

Of course everyone will buy 8GB 5060 anyway...

 

[SolidQ]

Of course everyone will buy 8GB 5060 anyway..

Not everyone, but zombies will buy

 

[twilo99]

Intel deserves to fucking steamroll them in low-mid segment with bullshit like that. Cunts.

Of course everyone will buy 8GB 5060 anyway...

Right..

I just hope Intel get their drivers right so people who care have a viable alternative

 

[poppabk]

There are more than tons of people who go for the mid-range cards, it's the majority of people. I know PC GAF doesn't want to hear it but the mid-range card is what people can buy. The top 7 GPUs used are the 3060, 4060 mobile, 4060, 1650, 3060 Ti, 4060Ti and 3060 mobile. The 3070 follows but right after it are the 3050, 2060, and 1060. Majority of people just want to run the games, they couldn't care less about frame rate, 1440p/4K or RT. If they double click that icon and the game runs, they are happy. I've seen people run games at less than 30FPS and they just don't notice.

Yeah but take a look at that list again - Nvidia all the way even though AMD have been, at a minimum, competitive at the lower end.

 

[mansoor1980]

is it confirmed . the 8gb 5060?

 

[twilo99]

I've never listened to a Tom Petersen interview before... but yeah proper nerd gangster

 

[SolidQ]

is it confirmed . the 8gb 5060?

Yeah 8gb

 

[LordOfChaos]

I've never listened to a Tom Petersen interview before... but yeah proper nerd gangster

Always happy for more Tom Petersen aka TaP

 

[tkscz]

Yeah but take a look at that list again - Nvidia all the way even though AMD have been, at a minimum, competitive at the lower end.

I said that earlier. Nvidia runs 90% of the GPU market simply by name alone. It's why the 1650Ti isn't $80 right now. People would buy that old card before they'd touch an AMD card. Most people don't even realize there is a difference.

For Intel to break in, Nvidia will have to royally shit the bed.