StreetsofBeige
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Probably costs $255^10.
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It costs $255 to unlock everything in MultiVersus that can’t be earned by playing
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Good.
This should be the norm, not the exception.
This should be the norm, not the exception.
You need to stop clumping in all your gaming pet peeves into unrelated games. No idea why you’re going in on a rant about lootboxes , season passes etc with respect to this game. They don’t exist.
For most people in this thread - and in fact, most gamers - Multiversus isn’t going to bleed them dry. I for one will play likely without spending a dime.
Hopefully, now you’re aware it’s an F2P game and the model is repugnant to you, I trust you’ll stay out of future threads for this game?
MiguelItUp
Member
Because the open beta is not widely available to the public yet. The only way to get access is if you had access to one of the previous tests, or you got a key from a Twitch drop. You can just leave a stream up with someone streaming Multiversus and you get a key in an hour. It will be open to all at the end of the month.
I'd just suggest you ignore them as best as you can then, for your own sanity. Because the model isn't going anywhere. Games that you're referring to with unlockables DO still exist, but they all depend on the scope of the project, type of game, well, and just the overall goal. I think it's pretty common for a smaller (or newer) studio (like to Player First Games) to want to focus on F2P because it allows them to stretch out development over a specific amount of time. It allows them to gauge budgets, content, and scope better. So, in the long run, just more safety. Honestly, as an 84 kid, I think it's awesome when it's handled well. I think it's great that kids and teens these days can enjoy games for free, whereas when we were kids all we could do was buy, rent, or play demos. The kicker with F2P is that parents need to tell their kids not to buy and make sure their cards aren't attached. If they are, that's on them if purchases are made, lol.
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Itchy Tickles
Member
OK, obviously you are were born underwater and forgotten about for about 8 minutes. I never said, if you read what I wrote, that there are loot boxes in this game. I was talking about the "free to play" model as a whole, which should've been obvious. And who are you to tell me to stay out of topics? I was on topic, unlike you. Do not talk to me as if you are above me, especially when your argument is against something I didn't even say or imply. Incredible. Also, if you think only F2P games have this junk in it, then I don't know what to tell ya except I hope your career bought the correct non-toxic crayons for you to suckle on.
Vaelka
Member
I really wish F2P games would just have a P2P option where you paid full price for it and got everything.
Altho they'd probably pull some bullshit where it'd be like 200$ or something.
'' F2P '' often ends up being more expensive than P2P in the end...
And it feels like a disingenuous label most of the time, it's not a charity they're obviously designing them from the ground up to make you pay and pay more than you otherwise would for a standard game.
Altho they'd probably pull some bullshit where it'd be like 200$ or something.
'' F2P '' often ends up being more expensive than P2P in the end...
And it feels like a disingenuous label most of the time, it's not a charity they're obviously designing them from the ground up to make you pay and pay more than you otherwise would for a standard game.
yet_another_alt
Member
So if it costs money to unlock something does that mean you waste money if you don't unlock something in a game you paid for?
LegendOfKage
Member
ManaByte
Gold Member
Again, it's probably in the high six figures to have every Fortnite skin ever made.
Would you rather play it for free or pay $500,000+ just to have every cosmetic?
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
It's all cosmentic shit...idc. I'll put 20$ aside to pay for the skins i like and ignore the rest. IDK why people add up the price of EVERYTHING and complain for f2p games...who buyS EVERYTHING?
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
You are if you have the money.
MiguelItUp
Member
Because monetization bad!
Wait until they see how much it would cost to own everything in TF2 or CSGO.
Calling 911 Melts Beams
Banned
its free if you dont buy it
i bought all of them on 8 accounts because im not poor
i bought all of them on 8 accounts because im not poor
prinz_valium
Member
cheap
Fox Mulder
Member
There’s way worse ways to do this. Just doing cosmetics and emotes doesn’t sound that bad.
Kataploom
Gold Member
This is exactly my take, probably the ones that always complain about having to pay to unlock cosmetics are those with strong OCD for collecting everything and I can understand it, but some games are not designed with them in mind, they just expect people to get some items they like from all availables in the store, that's why they do so varied content over the time. It's a f2p game, after all, if that's a big of an issue they should avoid those games or just fix their own issues with their OCD or whatever because we're already like 15 years into it and it came to stay, for better or for worse
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
most of them failed because of the game usually just not being good, not because they weren't free to play. even if NASB was free to play it still would have been forgotten. Rivals of Aether is a success and very popular among the platform fighter community because it's a good game, and that's paid as well. Not only that, but it has 0 microtransactions
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
all those skins in a paid game would have been unlockable through gameplay.....
LegendOfKage
Member
The voice talent might cost money, but the game is published by Warner Brothers, who also owns all the IP.
But yeah, games aren't free if they can't make up their money in other ways. My thought is always people should save their anger for retail titles that include this sort of thing.
Rivals of Aether has Steam concurrents of approx 600 players.
Not exactly ‘very popular’, is it?
And no surprise it has no MTX since it’s paid. An F2P game often allows you A much bigger playerbase, and MTX becomes a necessity then since the bulk of players aren’t paying anything.
anthony2690
Member
I tried this game out and I just find it so floaty, hopefully it does well for those that enjoy these smash like fighting games, as it looks fairly high quality.
I think I've just grown out off these games as I couldn't get into smash Wii u and ultimate either, loved melee as a kid though, but I just much prefer traditional fighting games.
I think I've just grown out off these games as I couldn't get into smash Wii u and ultimate either, loved melee as a kid though, but I just much prefer traditional fighting games.
Belthazar
Member
Those "it costs $x to get everything for every character in a F2P game" threads are so dumb. First of all, those are just cosmetics and doesn't hinder your progress or give you any gameplay advantage whatsoever... And you also aren't supposed to own everything, like if you're willing to get a nice skin for your main character you either cough up the $7 every once in a while or just get the free currency ones.
People seem to want to be outraged by everything these days.
People seem to want to be outraged by everything these days.
Neolombax
Member
If this game was a paid game, i dont think i would ever buy it. But becuase its free, im eagerly waiting for it. Honestly, I'm happy with this model. I get to try out a game at no cost and see if I will stick with it in the long run and maybe put some money in it to enhance the experience. I'd be angrier playing a paid game just to find out it was shit or was not to my liking.
Vaelka
Member
I'd rather pay full price and just have everything on day 1.
When it comes to post release content it's a bit different tho, but I prefer to just have a full base game.
In the end of the day these games aren't really designed to be free it's more of a marketing gimmick, they're expecting you and are trying to push you into paying more than you otherwise would if it was just a standard game.
Look at how much people spend on games like Lost Ark and Diablo Immortal and how shitty it is without paying and how far behind you get, I'd much rather just pay full price and not have that.
The cosmetics VERY quickly add up to more than full price too, you don't actually have to spend that much to end up paying above full price for even less content than you otherwise would've had.
I really hate how people keep saying '' just cosmetics '', if they were just cosmetics and didn't really matter then why do people spend so much money on them?
They do matter a lot to people and it didn't use to be like this.
You can think it's dumb but tbh I think you're being a useful idiot, what you're saying is exactly what they want you to say.
Game companies also push this whole '' it's only cosmetics '' mentality because they know it makes sense on a complete surface level but I think games are more than just gameplay that's not the whole experience.
Cosmetics matter A LOT to people, and the price only keeps going up on them too.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
You can either grind gold in the game to unlock all of the 15 characters at launch or buy the founder's pack for $40. Or you can pay $100 to get all the characters for the next year. There is no fucking comparison to Lost Ark or Diablo Immortal with this game, and trying to make a comparison is 100% disingenuous.
MiguelItUp
Member
Well, Smash Bros isn't F2P, so that's one big thing. But characters are unlocked through gameplay, as well as other content. But that doesn't include the future DLC with new characters, etc. Those are required purchases.
MultiVersus basically does the same thing, however it's F2P. Because it's F2P, there has to be monetization somewhere so that the game can make money. So at the moment, there are cosmetics that are behind a paywall. But that's all they are, cosmetics and icons, etc. Maybe they'll add a way to earn THAT currency without paying anything, even if it's a small drip. But who knows. The game needs to earn money to sustain itself as a F2P title.
Belthazar
Member
No, sweetheart... I'm not being an "useful idiot", I'm looking out for my own interests in this. I don't care about optional cosmetics in games... Like, I can buy a Street Fighter game for $60 and there could be a million different outfits for Ryu and Chun-Li to unlock, but why would I play with anything but their iconic standard outfits? With this model I just skip paying the initial $60 that can go towards something else. If people want to break the bank buying a shiny outfit based on a TikTok trend or whatever all the more power to them for keeping the game profitable for everyone to enjoy, I'm just glad I can play this for free and not worry about anyone having any advantages over me due to spending more money.
This is the right approach to the F2P model, they're offering an equal playing field for everyone while also offering paid additions by people who may find value in them.
Belthazar
Member
Exactly $157,97... And all players pay at least $60 for the main game, so they don't have anything to recoup and make up for F2P players like with this.
Also, they have a massive amount of characters and stages (which both affect gameplay, unlike cosmetics) locked behind a very steep paywall, so yeah... I'd rather get the F2P model than whatever "Premium" fighting games are doing these days.
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
And every new level/map, mode and character you'd have to pay for, every 3 months for 5 years if you want to keep playing.
I don't think you know how succesful F2P games work these days.
Belthazar
Member
Well, I'd like for you to have look at the DLC store for games like Smash Bros Ultimate.
LegendOfKage
Member
Not to mention, I can go to any friend no matter their current financial situation, and say "hey, download this free smash clone and play with me." That's a pretty great selling point.
As someone who has played Genshin and Apex for likely close to 1000 hours combined without spending a penny on either, I pretty much only benefit from games like this.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Oh yea, and with a game like this I have no problem tossing them $10 every few months for the battle pass. Hell the pre-season battlepass (which is just $3) has some good stuff including a Shaggy skin, a Wonder Woman emote, and the best ring out animation yet in the game. Honestly doubt I'll ever change my ring out now that I have that.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
you guys act like there weren't paid fighting games that had none of this bullshit to begin withA F2P fighter with the ability to unlock all characters without spending money:
A $60 fighter with multiple $30 season passes required to unlock the full roster:
Street Fighter 3 3rd strike. once you bought the game you got every single drop of content on the disk
Tekken 5, once you bought the game you basically got everything including the 3 arcade versions of the original games
Smash Melee, Smash 64, Mortal Kombat 2, i can go on
ManaByte
Gold Member
Street Fighter 3, Tekken 5, Mortal Kombat 2 were arcade ports. In 2022 they'd just be rom dumps. I can't believe you're seriously trying to compare a F2P game in 2022 to games that are nearly 20+ years old.
Look at Street Fighter V, Guity Gear Strive, Tekken 7, Soul Calibur VI, KOF XIV/XV, etc for how modern fighting games compare to what this is doing.
Belthazar
Member
Most of those games are from a time where additional content wasn't even possible.
And Street Fighter 3rd Strike is literally DLC+Patches, but tied to an entire new purchase of the game... Not only that, but it was the second time they pulled this with that one game alone. So yeah, if you were a fan of the game and bought the 3 versions at launch to have all content as it was released that amounts to ~$150. Which is quite a bit more than the $255 this thread is about when you take inflation into account.
lughnasadh123
Member
Another day, another F2P game, another pearl clutching thread about MTX.
MiguelItUp
Member
Those games are all from a different era. Times have changed, especially with game development costs, methods of player retention, etc. It's reallllllly hard to compare games from 15-20+ years ago to modern titles. I personally would've loved if DLC was ALWAYS as substantial as the Expansion packs and similar stuff that we'd see back in the day. But that's just not how it is now. Maintaining players is so important, so roadmaps have to be done correctly to keep players interested because so many people play regularly and things can get stale very quickly if it's not managed correctly.
If I'm paying for a full priced fighting game, I'd LOVE for it to come with everything. Hell it better! Even more so, I'd love if future characters and stages were added for free. I wouldn't mind paying for DLC if it's substantial, or if the cost is low. But it usually isn't, especially for a game you've already paid $60+ for IMO.
Compared to that, I'd personally rather have F2P game that I can play for free, and unlock characters and important content for free. Majority of the time, if the game is good, feels good, has good direction, and is monetized correctly I have no problem tossing them money. I just keep track of how much I spend, because I personally think it's important to keep that spending within a certain threshold.
Yuuuuup. What's worse is that this isn't even monetized poorly, but I guess complaining about F2P monetization is a standard thing even more so these days.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
The irony, how are you praising a 3rd release of a game just to get all the content?
The current model for fighting games is an improvement over the old days. I do not miss communities being fragmented by annual releases that add a character or two.A F2P fighter with the ability to unlock all characters without spending money:
A $60 fighter with multiple $30 season passes required to unlock the full roster: