Drinky Crow
Banned
I blame the DS low tie ratio on it having no good games. That, and shitty 1997-era hardware.
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Japan charts: Media Create 2 - 8 May
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Drinky Crow
Banned
Not enough games out? Folks using it for the kickass media capabilities? I dunno, I have 6 (!!!) PSP games and 0 DS ones.
Argue the consequences all you like, but the DS having no good games or game-like things out, as well as being possessed of subpar hardware is indisputable FACT.
Argue the consequences all you like, but the DS having no good games or game-like things out, as well as being possessed of subpar hardware is indisputable FACT.
Drinky Crow
Banned
2001-era. PSP spanks the Dreamcast handily. The same era that current gen consoles share -- ROCK ON SONY!
Nice edit!
Nice edit!
heidern said:
I'd say it's the only valid conclusion, because we know GBA tie ratio is not affected by GBC BC anymore and we know neither is PS2. Similarly, we know PS2 tie ratio isn't affected by the ability to play DVDs either
It's old news. People are trying to extract bullshit for no good reason.
Drinky Crow
Banned
I point out the DS library is improving (seriously, it's starting at zero right now) and that it has been on the market longer as well as possessed of a larger library? I don't think it'll ever get a better tie ratio than the PSP, though, unless the PSP suffers an N64-style drought. The DS in Japan is being purchased by casuals and an atypical non-gaming audience along with the Nintendo exclusive crowd; they don't snatch up the content like the gadgeteers and the Sony core demographic.
Sgt. Killjoy
Member
Drinky Crow said:
2 million casuals right?
Sgt. Killjoy said:
There are probably way, way more than 2 million casuals. I think PS2s 87 million consoles worldwide is a testament to this. You don't get that type of success without having the casuals on board - REALLY on board.
I still think it's hardcore mostly purchasing PSP and DS, although DS is probably starting to bring the real casuals in in Japan with the release of Nintendogs and Naruto.
Drinky Crow
Banned
No, the Nintendo cadre of blind faithful -- the folks who buy anything Nintendo-branded and keep third-party sales at a minimum -- is generally in the area of 2-3M per region. I think this'll diminish next gen, though. Throw in a mingling of female gamers and the far end of casual, and the DS is right where it should be, although I apparently overestimated the negative appeal of shitty hardware -- blame it on my gadget geek sensibilities!
Sgt. Killjoy
Member
Amir0x said:
I can totally see how DS might bring more casuals, but not THAT many more. Its exaggerated like the whole "PSP only for videos/music" thing.
DS is eating up the youth market too. That's how GBA managed to move past the 20 million "hardcore" barrier... if PSP wants a shot at that, Sony needs to start targeting kids sooner rather than later. Otherwise PSP might find itself caught between markets, selling only to the Sonycore while kids go for DS and jock gamers look to the new high end consoles. PSP desperately need a price drop.
Drinky Crow
Banned
Why would any sane GAMER buy a DS with its current library? Seriously: it has no content that isn't trivial or impaired by the controls, and is pretty fuckin' ugly to boot. The select gamers that DO buy it are either Nintendo loyalists or nostalgiacs raging against the current genre trends and game design orthodoxy. Fuck those tools, since you don't want 'em on your side.
Drinky Crow
Banned
I ain't gonna deny that Pokemon Diamond/Pearl won't launch sales through the roof.
Sgt. Killjoy
Member
Drinky Crow said:
So says you, but we all know how that goes,
Sgt. Killjoy said:
Dude, we're just starting with sales. GBA has like 75,000,000 worldwide or something (I'm not sure of the latest numbers for GBA, so I could be slightly under or over estimating the current nums for GBA). That indicates a LOT of casuals, you don't just get to that number without 'em.
That's what I'm saying - both PSP and NDS have to get to the "breaking" point past the early hardcore adopters and to the real casual rush. Imho, this happens the SECOND Christmas for each system. So in other words, PSP and NDS will both see how much casual appeal they really have when they go head to head this Christmas in Japan. Although, it's no secret that Pokemon and Nintendogs is not going to hurt NDS' casual appeal at all
In the US, it's funny... cause I see the opposite happening. I see PSP gaining the drastic upperhand soon, and then games like GTA and Madden 2006 really doing the driving during Christmas. It's quite interesting to see the cultural gaps - Naruto would likely sell like shit over here.
Sgt. Killjoy
Member
Amir0x said:Dude, we're just starting with sales. GBA has like 75,000,000 worldwide or something (I'm not sure of the latest numbers for GBA, so I could be slightly under or over estimating the current nums for GBA). That indicates a LOT of casuals, you don't just get to that number without 'em.
That's what I'm saying - both PSP and NDS have to get to the "breaking" point past the early hardcore adopters and to the real casual rush. Imho, this happens the SECOND Christmas for each system. So in other words, PSP and NDS will both see how much casual appeal they really have when they go head to head this Christmas in Japan. Although, it's no secret that Pokemon and Nintendogs is not going to hurt NDS' casual appeal at all
In the US, it's funny... cause I see the opposite happening. I see PSP gaining the drastic upperhand soon, and then games like GTA and Madden 2006 really doing the driving during Christmas. It's quite interesting to see the cultural gaps - Naruto would likely sell like shit over here.
Yea, at Blockbuster, alot of people ask about the PSP(ok, 2) but i told them the price and they weren't as interested. Noones asked about the DS though. It doesn't help i don't actually work in Gamerush.
Really, the DS is a lost cause. The lead of DS over PSP in Japan is only just a million. Nothing to celebrate here. They are just neck to neck in sales. Nintendogs is slowing down every week and getting owned by a PS2 game weeks after weeks too.
While in America the DS is looking so bad that PSP is gonna get a easy victory here. PSP worldwide sales lead in 2006?
While in America the DS is looking so bad that PSP is gonna get a easy victory here. PSP worldwide sales lead in 2006?
Oogami said:
Sorry, but that has to be one of the worst trolls in recent times. Surely these are joke comments? Besides, why are are you crowing about a ps2 game out selling Nintendogs for the week when Nintendogs alone outsells the entire psp library(over 35 games) put together!
Drinky Crow said:
Actually there's more psp games out then DS games.
Drinky Crow said:
Actually, it's only been out 10 days longer in Japan.
Hey I like the library so far. Sure it's a touch lite so to speak, but then it is a handheld so in some ways that's quite fitting. Besides, the novelty of the touch screen is still going good for me and playing Mario Kart Super Circuit and Fire Emblem on a backlit screen is fun!
Sgt. Killjoy
Member
Oogami said:
While every PSP game is getting owned by DS games and a GC game?
Before you all forget, PS2 is Sony. PS2 games sells(more than DS+GCN+GBA). The money goes into many things, including PSP investment. They can pricedrop the damn thing, get exclusive deals, pump out must have games, etc. more so that Nintendo can ever do.
And also PSP still haven't launch with any new color yet. So sales spike to come.
And Amercia in sales >>>>>>> Japan in sales you know that? Sony will not be unhappy to take America first while they let Nintendo to have Japan for awhile.
And also PSP still haven't launch with any new color yet. So sales spike to come.
And Amercia in sales >>>>>>> Japan in sales you know that? Sony will not be unhappy to take America first while they let Nintendo to have Japan for awhile.
Drinky Crow
Banned
No voice acting. Nintendo's stance on VA work -- keep it out of games, period -- is the one conservative stance they have that I *do* appreciate.
Smiles and Cries
Member
the war is not over
Sgt. Killjoy
Member
ahahaha. Nintendogs got an Aussie release date of September 29th, according to the Nintendo of Australia website.
michael000
Banned
- lack of games.... check
- cracking down on homebrew.... check
- expensive and near impossible to find 1GB+ memory sticks.... check
Funny how the PSP had every chance to really go for the jugular and take over the handheld market, now we're discussing if it's even going to beat out the DS and it's archaic hardware lol. True that the US will probably push the PSP over the top but c'mon it shoud be killing it. From what's been announced so far for E3 Sony better pray there are a TON of surprises for the PSP cause atm things look pathetic for the PSP.
- cracking down on homebrew.... check
- expensive and near impossible to find 1GB+ memory sticks.... check
Funny how the PSP had every chance to really go for the jugular and take over the handheld market, now we're discussing if it's even going to beat out the DS and it's archaic hardware lol. True that the US will probably push the PSP over the top but c'mon it shoud be killing it. From what's been announced so far for E3 Sony better pray there are a TON of surprises for the PSP cause atm things look pathetic for the PSP.
Cold-Steel
Member
Smiles and Cries said:the war is not over
[Sidious]"The end of the war is near."[/Sidious]
Crankenstein
Banned
Drinky Crow said:
I got mine for free. Some games you hate were traded in and voila DS! Am I on your side or against ya? I still like ya Drinks not matter your answer.
AniHawk said:
Fire Emblem, Metroid, Zelda NPC should all have full voice acting. But of course Nintendo is a cheap stingy bastard, that's a wide known fact. Why should we continue to buy Nintendo products if they're so damn cheap?
Of course there is. Sony is best at keeping secrets and releasing megaton type deals like nothing. Remember how we were surprised last October when we found out the price of the PSP? And then a week later RE4 port to PS2 news? Then SC3 exclusive? They're insane in making huge surprises.
Oogami said:
Because the games fucking rock. I'm a little torn on Metroid though. I think FE and Zelda oughtta have some VA, yeah, but Metroid should keep Samus as a silent badass. Let her actions speak for her. Metroid Fusion was neat, but a bit out of line.
EDIT: Isn't that PSP vs. DS list about a month old now?
Cold-Steel
Member
Ugh AniHawk, give Metroid voice acting.
Echoes was PAINFUL without it.
Echoes was PAINFUL without it.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Thank you.Barrage said:
And a big no thank you to *checks MobyGames* Jen Taylor, Kit Harris, Scott Burns, and Delores Rogers.
Cold-Steel said:
Echoes had just enough with the computer and alien language. You could hear some human voices during the Ing attack too, and that was fine. I would not like hearing Samus talk. What the fuck would she say? And if she's reading computer scans and crap like that, why would those be talking?
Crankenstein
Banned
Drinky = Dracula
Oogami = Renfield
Oogami = Renfield
AniHawk said:
I agree. But in these times of days a game that rocks isn't quite enough anymore. It also needs big budget that makes the game looks expensive - VA, Hollywood movie type scenes, hours of CG/FMV, mind-blowing(not simple) HDTV progressive scan support graphics, surround DLP2 sound, online, huge marketing, etc. Nintendo aims not to do any of these.
Not just Samus. The other characters as well.