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Japan DS & PSP SW - LTD
- Thread starter Dalthien
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Well - I've updated all the totals again through the latest charts (1st post - 1st page). I've been busy of late, so I hadn't updated for a few weeks. Anyway, everything is up-to-date again.
Edit - I should note that I combined the sales for Hot Shots Golf with the recently released 'PSP the Best' version. Famitsu tracks them as two different totals - but I figure it is the same game - just different pricing and packaging. So I combined the sales total.
Edit - I should note that I combined the sales for Hot Shots Golf with the recently released 'PSP the Best' version. Famitsu tracks them as two different totals - but I figure it is the same game - just different pricing and packaging. So I combined the sales total.
Wow - I was just looking at my own totals, and the DS has now sold 5,000,000 more pieces of software than the PSP. That's crazy.
It's weird because the PSP hardware has been selling fairly well (if you don't compare it to the DS), but the software sales have just been horrible.
It's weird because the PSP hardware has been selling fairly well (if you don't compare it to the DS), but the software sales have just been horrible.
Mejilan said:
They should be very close. There will be some small games missing, and any game which hasn't charted for a while will be missing those few sales since it last charted, but to fall off the charts, the sales have to fall below about 3,000 per week, or about 5,000 per month (for the monthly top 100 chart). So any residual sales will be quite small and fairly insignificant to the totals. I suspect that the tie ratio for each system is probably higher by 0.05 - 0.10 than what is included in my chart.
The interesting thing is that the PSP tie ratio has actually fallen over the past few months. And obviously, with the Brain Trainings, Jump Superstars, Nintendogs, Animal Crossing, Tamogotchi, etc. - the DS tie ratio has risen quite a bit from the summer until now - even with the huge hardware sales.
Mejilan said:
In the Spring (i.e. before Nintendogs), that was the case. After Nintendogs, the DS has been slowly rising and the PSP has been slowly falling (decent hardware sales, if you don't compare it to the DS, but pathetic software sales being the culprit). Anyone who recently said what you mentioned is probably just hanging onto a leftover idea from the Spring.
Here are some numbers from Famitsu top 30:
PSP Sangokushi V 15,619 april 17
PSP Shutokou Battle: Zone of Control 29,922 may 8
PSP Dora Slot 2: Suyaku wa Zenigata 14,284 may 15
PSP Derby Time 49,408 may 22
NDS Bomberman 11,859 may 29
PSP Legend of Hero Gagharv Trilogy: Shizuku 15,604 june 12
NDS Jissen Pachislot Hisshouhou Hokutonoken DS 18,305 june 19
PSP Coded Arms 23420 july 10
PSP School Rumble: Anesan Jiken Desu! 6250 july 10
PSP Sangokushi V 15,619 april 17
PSP Shutokou Battle: Zone of Control 29,922 may 8
PSP Dora Slot 2: Suyaku wa Zenigata 14,284 may 15
PSP Derby Time 49,408 may 22
NDS Bomberman 11,859 may 29
PSP Legend of Hero Gagharv Trilogy: Shizuku 15,604 june 12
NDS Jissen Pachislot Hisshouhou Hokutonoken DS 18,305 june 19
PSP Coded Arms 23420 july 10
PSP School Rumble: Anesan Jiken Desu! 6250 july 10
I've updated the chart again (first post of the thread has the complete list of titles). Big-time thanks go to cvxfreak for his help once again, and to Rock-Man for getting me off my ass to go back and go through the old charts to fill in a few of the smaller titles which I missed from the spring. By the way, here is a quick recap of the major milestones which have been reached in the past month:
Recent Notable Achievements:
DS - Oide yo Doubutsu no Mori (Animal Crossing: Wild World) (Nintendo) surpassed 1,350,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
DS - Kahashima Ryuuta Kyouju no Nouo Kitaeru Otona DS Training (Nintendo) surpassed 1,150,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
DS - Nintendogs: Shiba / Chihuahua / Dachshund & Friends (Nintendo) surpassed 950,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Yawaraka Atamajuku (Nintendo) surpassed 900,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
DS - Sawaru Made in Wario (WarioWare: Touched!) (Nintendo) surpassed 850,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo) surpassed 800,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) surpassed 800,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
DS - Tamagotchi no PuchiPuchi Omisecchi (Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop) (Bandai) surpassed 750,000 (as of Dec 25/06)
DS - Pokemon Fushigi no Dungeon: Ao no Kyuujotai (Nintendo) surpassed 550,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
DS - Jump! Super Stars (Nintendo) surpassed 450,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Kahashima Ryuuta Kyouju Kanshuu: Motto Nou o Kitaeru Otona DS Training (Nintendo) surpassed 400,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
DS - Daredemo Asobi Taizen (Nintendo) surpassed 300,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Pokemon Torouze (Pokemon Trozei) (Nintendo) surpassed 200,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Slime MoriMori: Dragon Quest 2 - Daisensha to Shippo Dan (Square Enix) surpassed 150,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Dragon Ball Z: Bukuu Ressen (Dragon Ball Z: Supersonic Warriors 2) (Bandai) surpassed 150,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Super Princess Peach (Nintendo) surpassed 100,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Mario & Luigi RPG 2x2 (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time) (Nintendo) surpassed 100,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
PSP - Monster Hunter Portable (Monster Hunter Freedom) (Capcom) surpassed 200,000 (as of Dec 18/05)
PSP - World Soccer Winning Eleven 9: Ubiquitous Edition (World Soccer Winning Eleven 9) (Konami) surpassed 200,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
PSP - Kahashima Ryuuta Kyouju Kanshuu Nou Chikara Trainer Portable (Sega) surpassed 150,000 (as of Dec 11/05)
GBA - Pocket Monsters Ruby & Sapphire (Pokemon Ruby & Sapphire) (Nintendo) surpassed 5,300,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - Pokemon Emerald (Nintendo) surpassed 1,650,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - Famicom Mini: Super Mario Bros. (Classic NES Series: Super Mario Bros.) (Nintendo) surpassed 1,000,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - Kouchuu Ouja: Mushi King (Sega) surpassed 600,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - Pokemon Fushigi na Dungeon: Aka no Kyuujoutai (Nintendo) surpassed 500,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - RockMan EXE 6: Dennoujuu Grega / Faltzer (Mega Man Battle Network) (Capcom) surpassed 400,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - Mario Tennis Advance (Mario Tennis: Power Tour) (Nintendo) surpassed 100,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - Final Fantasy IV Advance (Square Enix) surpassed 100,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
Recent Notable Achievements:
DS - Oide yo Doubutsu no Mori (Animal Crossing: Wild World) (Nintendo) surpassed 1,350,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
DS - Kahashima Ryuuta Kyouju no Nouo Kitaeru Otona DS Training (Nintendo) surpassed 1,150,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
DS - Nintendogs: Shiba / Chihuahua / Dachshund & Friends (Nintendo) surpassed 950,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Yawaraka Atamajuku (Nintendo) surpassed 900,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
DS - Sawaru Made in Wario (WarioWare: Touched!) (Nintendo) surpassed 850,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo) surpassed 800,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) surpassed 800,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
DS - Tamagotchi no PuchiPuchi Omisecchi (Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop) (Bandai) surpassed 750,000 (as of Dec 25/06)
DS - Pokemon Fushigi no Dungeon: Ao no Kyuujotai (Nintendo) surpassed 550,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
DS - Jump! Super Stars (Nintendo) surpassed 450,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Kahashima Ryuuta Kyouju Kanshuu: Motto Nou o Kitaeru Otona DS Training (Nintendo) surpassed 400,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
DS - Daredemo Asobi Taizen (Nintendo) surpassed 300,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Pokemon Torouze (Pokemon Trozei) (Nintendo) surpassed 200,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Slime MoriMori: Dragon Quest 2 - Daisensha to Shippo Dan (Square Enix) surpassed 150,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Dragon Ball Z: Bukuu Ressen (Dragon Ball Z: Supersonic Warriors 2) (Bandai) surpassed 150,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Super Princess Peach (Nintendo) surpassed 100,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
DS - Mario & Luigi RPG 2x2 (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time) (Nintendo) surpassed 100,000 (as of Jan 1/06)
PSP - Monster Hunter Portable (Monster Hunter Freedom) (Capcom) surpassed 200,000 (as of Dec 18/05)
PSP - World Soccer Winning Eleven 9: Ubiquitous Edition (World Soccer Winning Eleven 9) (Konami) surpassed 200,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
PSP - Kahashima Ryuuta Kyouju Kanshuu Nou Chikara Trainer Portable (Sega) surpassed 150,000 (as of Dec 11/05)
GBA - Pocket Monsters Ruby & Sapphire (Pokemon Ruby & Sapphire) (Nintendo) surpassed 5,300,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - Pokemon Emerald (Nintendo) surpassed 1,650,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - Famicom Mini: Super Mario Bros. (Classic NES Series: Super Mario Bros.) (Nintendo) surpassed 1,000,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - Kouchuu Ouja: Mushi King (Sega) surpassed 600,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - Pokemon Fushigi na Dungeon: Aka no Kyuujoutai (Nintendo) surpassed 500,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - RockMan EXE 6: Dennoujuu Grega / Faltzer (Mega Man Battle Network) (Capcom) surpassed 400,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - Mario Tennis Advance (Mario Tennis: Power Tour) (Nintendo) surpassed 100,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
GBA - Final Fantasy IV Advance (Square Enix) surpassed 100,000 (as of Dec 25/05)
Moor-Angol
Banned
This is very interesting Puyo Puyo Fever did 49k on PSP yet managed 83k on DS. I usually don't turn into a sales whore but since there seems to be some discrepencies as to how well 3rd parties and "Real Games" perform on the DS I made some other observations.
27 of 74 DS games failed to even break 30,000 units sold.
So around 36% of DS's entire library did not while 64% did manage to break 30k.
Some of the surprise games doing under 30k include.
Famicon Wars DS
Castlevania DoS
Goemon
Bomberman
Viewtiful Joe Scratch
Electroplankton
Seems pretty bad right? But wait a minute.
On the other hand.
40 of 71 PSP games failed to break 30,000 units sold.
So around 56%, over half, of PSP's library did not while 44% did manage to top 30k.
Some of the surprise games doing under 30k include.
Guilty Gear XX
Metal Gear Acid 2
Princess Crown
Ape Escape 2
Breath of Fire III
Romance of the Three Kingdoms V&VI
Irregular Hunter X
Mega Man Legends 1&2
Wipeout Pure
The idea that 3rd parties will automatically sell more units on the PSP because of Nintendos own chart domination is very misguided. Just because those games aren't in the top 20 doesn't mean they don't put up decent numbers
Sony Published 9 titles over 30k
22 3rd party games over 30k.
33 3rd party games under 30k
Avg: 40% over 30k
Nintendo Published 22 titles over 30k
25 3rd party games over 30k
22 3rd party games under 30k
Avg: 53% over 30k
This is just a lot of hersay though. The only revealing 3rd party details would be the totals and then average of each game sold.
3rd Party Totals: (Note: Did not count 3rd party developed/1st party published titles.)
NDS = 3,103,758 out of 47 Games-------Avg. Per Game = 66,037
PSP = 2,881,685 out of 55 Games-------Avg. Per Game = 52,394
Someone can check my math for mistakes. That is still pretty good for both systems and I honestly thought that the APG difference would be bigger than that. If this proves anything it is simply that Japanese 3rd parties are definitely in good hands with the DS especially considering costs of development.
27 of 74 DS games failed to even break 30,000 units sold.
So around 36% of DS's entire library did not while 64% did manage to break 30k.
Some of the surprise games doing under 30k include.
Famicon Wars DS
Castlevania DoS
Goemon
Bomberman
Viewtiful Joe Scratch
Electroplankton
Seems pretty bad right? But wait a minute.
On the other hand.
40 of 71 PSP games failed to break 30,000 units sold.
So around 56%, over half, of PSP's library did not while 44% did manage to top 30k.
Some of the surprise games doing under 30k include.
Guilty Gear XX
Metal Gear Acid 2
Princess Crown
Ape Escape 2
Breath of Fire III
Romance of the Three Kingdoms V&VI
Irregular Hunter X
Mega Man Legends 1&2
Wipeout Pure
The idea that 3rd parties will automatically sell more units on the PSP because of Nintendos own chart domination is very misguided. Just because those games aren't in the top 20 doesn't mean they don't put up decent numbers
Sony Published 9 titles over 30k
22 3rd party games over 30k.
33 3rd party games under 30k
Avg: 40% over 30k
Nintendo Published 22 titles over 30k
25 3rd party games over 30k
22 3rd party games under 30k
Avg: 53% over 30k
This is just a lot of hersay though. The only revealing 3rd party details would be the totals and then average of each game sold.
3rd Party Totals: (Note: Did not count 3rd party developed/1st party published titles.)
NDS = 3,103,758 out of 47 Games-------Avg. Per Game = 66,037
PSP = 2,881,685 out of 55 Games-------Avg. Per Game = 52,394
Someone can check my math for mistakes. That is still pretty good for both systems and I honestly thought that the APG difference would be bigger than that. If this proves anything it is simply that Japanese 3rd parties are definitely in good hands with the DS especially considering costs of development.
FoxhoundNL
Member
It's a shame does Japguys don't get Exit and play it. :'''(
What are the numbers of Exit anyway?
What are the numbers of Exit anyway?
jj984jj said:
Slime MoriMori 2 is pretty consistently clinging to the top 30 list and selling decently from week to week, so much so that it got up to 176k almost completely under the radar. It'll probably end up a bit less than 280k, but not too far below. 240k? Seems reasonable.
I've finished all of the updates for the chart again, so it is up-to-date once more.
Big thanks this time go to cvxfreak (as always) and Moor-Angol.
I also added information to the bottom of the chart comparing the Famitsu totals for each system with the numbers which are listed on the chart. Note that some of the smaller titles which didn't make the Top 30 weekly charts or Top 100 monthly charts are not included in this chart. For reference, here are the totals listed here, along with Famitsu totals for each system.
Through January 29/06: (Famitsu totals / Totals from this chart)
DS software - 17,709,000 / 17,140,526 (Difference = 568,474)
PSP software - 5,537,000 / 4,765,760 (Difference = 771,240)
DS Tie Ratio - 3.036 / 2.874 (Difference = 0.162)
PSP Tie Ratio = 1.908 / 1.620 (Difference = 0.288)
As you can see, more than 94% of all sofware sales for the DS and PSP are contained in this chart, and only less than 6% of the sofware sold is missing. That's actually a better ratio than I was even expecting.
It is also interesting to note that the DS now has 30 titles that have sold better than 100,000 copies, with several more titles just below that threshold that will certainly pass 100,000 within the next few weeks. And the difference in software sales between the DS and PSP is just staggering at this point.
Big thanks this time go to cvxfreak (as always) and Moor-Angol.
I also added information to the bottom of the chart comparing the Famitsu totals for each system with the numbers which are listed on the chart. Note that some of the smaller titles which didn't make the Top 30 weekly charts or Top 100 monthly charts are not included in this chart. For reference, here are the totals listed here, along with Famitsu totals for each system.
Through January 29/06: (Famitsu totals / Totals from this chart)
DS software - 17,709,000 / 17,140,526 (Difference = 568,474)
PSP software - 5,537,000 / 4,765,760 (Difference = 771,240)
DS Tie Ratio - 3.036 / 2.874 (Difference = 0.162)
PSP Tie Ratio = 1.908 / 1.620 (Difference = 0.288)
As you can see, more than 94% of all sofware sales for the DS and PSP are contained in this chart, and only less than 6% of the sofware sold is missing. That's actually a better ratio than I was even expecting.
It is also interesting to note that the DS now has 30 titles that have sold better than 100,000 copies, with several more titles just below that threshold that will certainly pass 100,000 within the next few weeks. And the difference in software sales between the DS and PSP is just staggering at this point.
metropolis
Banned
Dalthien said:
holy shit.
Moor-Angol
Banned
Good work, Dalthien 
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Wow! That is QUITE the difference...Dalthien said:
The Abominable Snowman
Member
To play devil's advocate:
DS: Software sales - Nintendo titles: 3501356
PSP: Software sales - Sony titles: 3566089
(If I made any mistakes, please correct them.)
Lesson: You cannot FUCK with Nintendo's first party. Even Nintendo 3rd parties can't
DS: Software sales - Nintendo titles: 3501356
PSP: Software sales - Sony titles: 3566089
(If I made any mistakes, please correct them.)
Lesson: You cannot FUCK with Nintendo's first party. Even Nintendo 3rd parties can't
The Abominable Snowman
Member
that's a MINUS.Beezy said:
Basically, 3rd party sales.
As amazing as that fact is, what I find equally amazing is the fact that the DS software lead in Japan is greater than the total software sold by either the DS or PSP in the US to date. That is just mind-boggling to me.Fuzzy said:
Through the end of January 2006, DS software has outsold PSP software by more than 12 million units.
By comparison, through the end of January 2006, neither the DS nor PSP has sold more than 11 million software units total (LTD) in the US.
metropolis
Banned
Dalthien said:
this is especially funny because i can't remember who but someone was saying something to the effect of the american market being a million times more important than the japanese market for game sales. must have been an xbox or PSP fan saying it.
Japan PSP+DS = 23~ million through a combined 28 months
US Japan+DS = 21.2~ million through a combined 25 months
Now if we do DS+PSP+GBA there is no question US crushes Japan, GBA died a while back in Japan, but still going very strong in the states.
So people saying Japan doesnt matter are wrong of course (i was one of them tbqh), but dont start acting like Japan is the ulitmate market. Not even close.
US Japan+DS = 21.2~ million through a combined 25 months
Now if we do DS+PSP+GBA there is no question US crushes Japan, GBA died a while back in Japan, but still going very strong in the states.
So people saying Japan doesnt matter are wrong of course (i was one of them tbqh), but dont start acting like Japan is the ulitmate market. Not even close.
Monorojo said:
That's an interesting thing: with Nintendo DS, Nintendo resurrected the Japan market and it is clear that USA is not the priority handheld market for Nintendo anymore.
The numbers are very very clear: japan is not the ultimate market, but it is still important and I think that for Nintendo willl return the most rental with his non-games and with the Nintendo revolution.
Moor-Angol
Banned
It is 333.223 at end of January
winston_pr
Member
Please help educate away a piece of my ignorance on the business-side:
Having not followed aggregate sales numbers closely for a while I was chocked to see megre 50k sales for pretty decent titles... and even less on GBA...
I assume dev costs vary wildly per title, especially on DS, but does anyone know roughly what sales numbers would typically pass the threshold to warrant a sequel or count as a commercial success/break-even?
(Ouendan 2 please... it *did* say "to be continued" when completed... )
Having not followed aggregate sales numbers closely for a while I was chocked to see megre 50k sales for pretty decent titles... and even less on GBA...
I assume dev costs vary wildly per title, especially on DS, but does anyone know roughly what sales numbers would typically pass the threshold to warrant a sequel or count as a commercial success/break-even?
(Ouendan 2 please... it *did* say "to be continued" when completed...
)DS : 3,824,649 (53 titles)
PSP : 3,563,838 (64 titles)
Man, just about equal, altho PSP had more titles out.
Percentage that 3rd party games makes of total software sold...
DS : 21%
PSP : 72%
HUGE DIFFERENCE. Really interesting how unimportant 3rd parties are to DS and how PSP is practically dependant upon them.
PSP : 3,563,838 (64 titles)
Man, just about equal, altho PSP had more titles out.
Percentage that 3rd party games makes of total software sold...
DS : 21%
PSP : 72%
HUGE DIFFERENCE. Really interesting how unimportant 3rd parties are to DS and how PSP is practically dependant upon them.