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Jedi Survior ... what happened to gaming?
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Bernardougf
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Its really not a difficult game.. im playing on hard (jedi master) ... most fights are fair .. some sponge enemys are usually big monsters wich is strange giving the lightsaber advantage but its all "game magic" and some group encounters like dark souls 2 (bullshit) .. nothing to egregious
There's always been mediocre games, there's rarely been games so expensive, with so much work put into them yet so shallow and dishonest. Jedi Survivor is even far from being the worst.
Mediocre game used to mean botched game now it means something entirely different. It's mediocre on purpose to provide "something" to the average joe, it's engraved in the core fundamentals of design.
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Shaki12345
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Jedi Fallen Order is also 3 games stitched together with repetitive gameplay, braindead bulletsponge A.I., uneven dialogue and it's another game where the semi open world adds absolutely nothing except a padded playtime.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I kind of agree with the OP about Survivor. I found the game disjointed and kind of boring. Combat was alright but spongy enemies are always annoying. And I actually liked the first game to an extent.
I got the game for “free” with my GPU and felt I kind of wasted my time. Constant stuttering and generally iffy performance didn’t help.
I got the game for “free” with my GPU and felt I kind of wasted my time. Constant stuttering and generally iffy performance didn’t help.
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I collect VHS tapes
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Same, but for some reason I remember enjoying my time with it
I’m not really sure why I gave up on it
Hot5pur
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I REALLY tried to like this game for 2-3 hours but MAN is it boring as hell. Somehow even more so than the original because it has lost the novelty factor. The story and gameplay are just so blah. Also the main character or another character, just a snore fest.
Look OP some people just like eating vanilla. Me and you brother, we kinda "get it" after the first spoon or two. No need to keep forcing yourself.
Look OP some people just like eating vanilla. Me and you brother, we kinda "get it" after the first spoon or two. No need to keep forcing yourself.
omegasc
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You probably had other games to play. Story fails to hook you up. Obvious from the start.
Bernardougf
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It clearly has Dark Souls, rpg, Uncharted (adventure) , metroidvania, sem open world elements.. its not at all an pure adventure game.
I collect VHS tapes
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Yeah, I can’t even recall the story and it’s only been a month or so. I remember the game being visually really nice and the gameplay itself being perfectly serviceable.
I pretty much had the exact same experience with that guardians of the Galaxy game
DownLikeBCPowder
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I have yet to play the sequel.. but I assume it's like the first game. What about it makes it a "souls clone"..? I can think of absolutely nothing in the first title that made me think "Dark Souls".
Shaki12345
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Guardians of the Galaxy has amazing banter between the lead characters and very good writing. It's literally THE reason to play the game. A unique selling point.
Star Wars Jedi Survivor has none of that.
I collect VHS tapes
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Seriously? Correct me if I’m wrong as it’s been a minute but you collect ‘souls’ which you use to level at ‘bonfires’ and if you die, you lose all the souls you collect
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Bernardougf
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I haven't played the first in years .. but gameplay wise the second is very inspired by it.. the style of fighting and encounters, the experience you loose during deaths that you have to get back ... the progression.... the parrying and dodging .. honestly cant think how someone would not see the influence
DownLikeBCPowder
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That's it? That's the comparison? So if you lose XP on death is it's a Dark Souls clone? Is this a change from the first game? It wasn't like that in Fallen Order. Even still, I think that's a huge reach.
All I can say is that they must have changed the game a lot from the first title.
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I collect VHS tapes
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That combined with progression and gameplay
I remember watching several reviews when this game came out I can’t think of a single reviewer who didn’t make the comparison
You low IQ bro?
Bernardougf
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Really enjoyed the GoG game . Nothing revolutionary but it was fun.
DownLikeBCPowder
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Cool, they must have changed the game mechanics and focus a lot from the first game. As I said, I didn't play it.
You a complete asshole bro?
I collect VHS tapes
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Why are you arguing with people over a game you’ve never played?
DownLikeBCPowder
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I asked a question - you're the one tossing insults and "arguing".
Kacho
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Both games are often referred to as Souls-likes or Souls-lites, even if the similarities between them are very surface level.
I collect VHS tapes
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you straight up said I can think of absolutely nothing in the first title that made me think "Dark Souls" then go on to admit you've never played it
???
why not start by just saying you're talking out of your ass
DownLikeBCPowder
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Yes. Congratulations, you can read. That's exactly what I said, though chronology may not be your strong suite....
I did, in fact, lead the statement with the fact I hadn't played the sequel. Are you confused? I'm not "talking out of my ass" at all, you're just a complete asshat it seems. The statement is literally qualified by saying I haven't played the sequel, but based on the first, I wouldn't consider it (the first game) a "dark souls clone".
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I collect VHS tapes
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what? doesn't saying you haven't played this sequel, the sequel being Survivor, imply you played the first game? and if not which game did you play? yes - I am confused apparently.
captainnapalm
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Reminds me a bit of Insomniac games in that it's quite well made but pretty soulless and worse of all - totally balless. All the rough edges have been sawed off. The second game has a romance in it but because the man never acts like a man and the woman never acts like a woman, you feel nothing.
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ajanke
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Didn’t platinum but I thoroughly enjoyed them as well. One of the few EA games I can stomach these days.
omegasc
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I can also see elements of Souls games but it just didn't feel like trying to be a clone to me. That's the only thing I didn't agree.
But the game is exactly the same as the first one, isn't it? Those same elements are there. Going back to "avenge" your death, stances, upgrade powers... there's nothing new. More stances and that's it.
...and guys, calm down. The game is not worth fighting over it, let alone getting a ban lol
But the game is exactly the same as the first one, isn't it? Those same elements are there. Going back to "avenge" your death, stances, upgrade powers... there's nothing new. More stances and that's it.
...and guys, calm down. The game is not worth fighting over it, let alone getting a ban lol
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MAX PAYMENT
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I thought it was awesome. Story was a tad iffy
BbMajor7th
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Man, anyone would think OP had poured sugar in some folks gas tanks.
I bounced off the first game halfway through. Something about the way Cal animates drives me nuts - it always looks wonky to me. It still looks wrong in Survivor so I've not bothered.
More broadly, I agree with OP. These games feel like cynical derivative time-fillers. The broadest-possible-audience approach has subsumed the mainstream industry.
I bounced off the first game halfway through. Something about the way Cal animates drives me nuts - it always looks wonky to me. It still looks wrong in Survivor so I've not bothered.
More broadly, I agree with OP. These games feel like cynical derivative time-fillers. The broadest-possible-audience approach has subsumed the mainstream industry.
YOU PC BRO?!
Gold Member
Ranted about the game before and I agree on the sentiment if not every point. On the harder difficulties, stick to and upgrade the dual lightsabers. They are the only weapon that allows you to cancel out of an attack. Makes some of the more frustrating boss battles waaay more enjoyable. Nothing worse than committing to an attack and getting locked into an animation having to watch yourself get hit. Spare yourself some misery.
Considering the franchise, I found the first game better overall. Even if there were a few more spectacular moments in the sequel. The plot was incredibly contrived. Particularly the betrayal and subsequent sections. The way the game ended, a sequel has nowhere to go from here. Some of the decisions made in relation to the game by the devs were straight up bad… i.e. stupid gardening, poor choice of antagonist, meaningless betrayal, key characters dead, huge open areas filled with very little, lots of backtracking, pointless collectibles (particularly colour schemes), groups of enemies spamming obnoxious unblockable attacks, lack of viability for certain weapons, love interest leaves to ‘find herself’, abrupt difficulty spikes etc…
Considering the franchise, I found the first game better overall. Even if there were a few more spectacular moments in the sequel. The plot was incredibly contrived. Particularly the betrayal and subsequent sections. The way the game ended, a sequel has nowhere to go from here. Some of the decisions made in relation to the game by the devs were straight up bad… i.e. stupid gardening, poor choice of antagonist, meaningless betrayal, key characters dead, huge open areas filled with very little, lots of backtracking, pointless collectibles (particularly colour schemes), groups of enemies spamming obnoxious unblockable attacks, lack of viability for certain weapons, love interest leaves to ‘find herself’, abrupt difficulty spikes etc…
I loved it. It felt like being a real Jedi. I felt the progression in abilities. The stages were neat as was the platforming & exploration. No boss was as hard as Trilla though. Dagan was fun to fight as were a few others like the bounty hunters & a spoiler.
I liked it way better than most of the Disney stuff.
Hopefully the 3rd game will be good.
I liked it way better than most of the Disney stuff.
Hopefully the 3rd game will be good.
Kacho
Gold Member
Now that you mention it, I know exactly what you mean. It does.
simpatico
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The biggest hurdle for me was the loot being completely worthless. I wish they could have thought up something to put in those chests that actually gave it some pop. Game was just a little dry overall, but this is exactly the type of solid, mid-tier AA+ content that gaming is missing more of.
ComputerBlue
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I liked it at first, but once it opened up I was like this is pretty mediocre for a few hours, but I kept pushing on for a bit and ended up loving it. It’s got its issues but this is a weird game to say, what happened to gaming.
Sgt. Pinback
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Jedi Survivor plays like shit and runs like shit. The lead character is a sissy, it does soulslike/metroidvania really badly, and it's nu-Star Wars, which means that it's low testosterone horseshit by default.
digdug2
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I played this game on Xbox Series X when it first came out and I couldn't believe how shittily it ran. Then I put it down until they patched out the mandatory raytracing... and lo and behold, it still ran like absolute dogshit, especially when you make it to that first large sandbox planet. Very unimpressed, especially because I kind of liked the first game (with exception of them making double jumping the last skill that you unlock!!).
I completely disagree and this is coming from someone who is incredibly critical of star wars, disney, and ea these days. It is imo the best licensed game since goldeneye 1997. It's basically star wars zelda, and executed wonderfully by respawn who with these star wars games and apex (and titanfall games) has become one of the best devs out there.
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digdug2
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The director is on record stating that Dark Souls and Bloodborne influenced Fallen Order, as did God of War and Metroid.
Sgt. Pinback
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That and... it should be obvious to anyone who's played it for more than 20 nanoseconds that it's heavily influenced by Souls games and metroidvanias.
StereoVsn
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Yeah, the XP methods, the bonfire, losing souls, respawns, etc were all lifted out of Dark Souls basically. But it’s a bit dumber and easier. And you can Pause.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Oh yeah, the loot system is horrendous in both games and I don’t understand why. It kills your drive to explore since you get jack and shit from doing that.