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Jeju Air Flight 2216 attempts to land without landing gear deployed
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Two survivors reported, last I saw.
Dacvak
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Fuck, that’s horrific. Did this just happen? Is there any idea on what went wrong yet; does it seem to be something like a deployment malfunction?
This must be the deadliest airplane crash in at least the last five years, right?
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Looks like this was a 737-800, and the cause of the malfunctions which may have led to the crash are currently unknown. At this time at least 124 fatalities are reported, but it’s presumed the count is over 170.
CNN
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Pegasus Actual
Member
If it was solely a gear failure, then the pilots royally fucked up.
South Korea plane crash: At least 124 killed as Jeju Air aircraft crashes as Muan International Airport
The Jeju Air plane, which was carrying 181 passengers, came off the runway and burst into flames as it landed.
www.bbc.com
- The official death toll form the crashat Muan International Airport stands at 124
- The plane was carrying 181 passengersand crashed as it was landing just after 09:00 local time (00:00 GMT)
- Two people are reported to have been rescued from the wreckage. Both are flight crew who were rushed to hospital this morning
- The fire department says they believe a bird strike and bad weather is the cause of the crash. However, an investigation is ongoing
- Over 1,500 emergency personnel have been deployed for the recovery effort, including 490 fire employees and 455 police officers
- Jeju Air has apologised to families and plane manufacturer Boeing has offered condolences to those affected
Apparently pilot error is currently being blamed, not a malfunction, but the facts aren't clear yet.
The giant concrete death wall at the end of the runway didn't help matters either.
Makoto-Yuki
Gold Member
Fuck sake 
Why the hell is that huge wall there?
Looks like it was still going at some speed. Shouldnt they have tried to burn off some speed, land on grass/water, or try find a more suitable runway that doesn’t have a major fucking wall at the end of it?
Obviously we aren’t the pilots so don’t know what they were thinking. Maybe they truly done what they thought was the best option. If it was a bird strike then even with one engine it should still be able to fly.
Anyway it’s a sad thing and RIP to all those people absolutely horrible.
Why the hell is that huge wall there?
Looks like it was still going at some speed. Shouldnt they have tried to burn off some speed, land on grass/water, or try find a more suitable runway that doesn’t have a major fucking wall at the end of it?
Obviously we aren’t the pilots so don’t know what they were thinking. Maybe they truly done what they thought was the best option. If it was a bird strike then even with one engine it should still be able to fly.
Anyway it’s a sad thing and RIP to all those people
absolutely horrible.
TransTrender
Gold Member
No landing gear.
But also no flaps deployed and it was going super fast.
Probably half the debris you see flying through the air at the end is people and luggage.
But also no flaps deployed and it was going super fast.
Probably half the debris you see flying through the air at the end is people and luggage.
newtypepilot
Member
rip to those onboard.
why is there a effing concrete wall at the end of the runway?
why was the landing gear not down? (they can be deployed manually and you can see the doors weren't even open)
why were the flaps not deployed?
Apparently a bird strike took out one engine prior to landing but that shouldn't be enough to take out the entire hydraulic systems.
As usual, wait for blancolirio to upload a video to get the facts, but I felt like this is another swiss cheese situation.
why is there a effing concrete wall at the end of the runway?
why was the landing gear not down? (they can be deployed manually and you can see the doors weren't even open)
why were the flaps not deployed?
Apparently a bird strike took out one engine prior to landing but that shouldn't be enough to take out the entire hydraulic systems.
As usual, wait for blancolirio to upload a video to get the facts, but I felt like this is another swiss cheese situation.
navii
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Perhaps the birds took out the engines and the pilot couldn’t use the engines to slow down after landing. If only one engine was working maybe putting it in reverse would cause the plane to turn sharply. I’m no expert thought. But that fucking wall.
Pegasus Actual
Member
Poking around the reddit threads a little... there's a video of the apparent birdstrike, #2 engine. Can't really see if the gear is down from the angle and the lighting but at that phase of flight it should be down. That landing attempt was aborted. On a typical 'go-round' you'd bring the landing gear back up to reduce drag once you've confirmed you are climbing. On a single engine failure in that type of jet you still have enough thrust to climb and fly another fairly normal approach (i.e. circle all the way around and deal with your failure checklists).
What they apparently did was do a fairly quick 180 and attempt the landing in the opposite direction in what doesn't look like any sort of landing configuration (flaps, speed brakes, gear) which seems like it would indicate panic (smoke/fire in cockpit?) and/or catastrophic failure of those systems, which doesn't really follow from a simple birdstrike. And the fact that they did a 180 and got right on the runway indicates that their control surfaces were working.
As a result of landing in the opposite direction they slammed into a berm where the ILS localizer is mounted at a high rate of speed.
Flight data recorder has been recovered, no voice recorder yet. I don't expect this to be a long term mystery.
Yeah, I'm looking at the aviation subreddit and there are some interesting comments regarding this:
Also, take this comment with a grain of salt (obviously):
Looks like this EXACT plane had a mechanical issue covered up by Jeju Air 2 years ago.
Apparently, the most agreed upon reason why this happened, is pilot error. The fact that no flaps and the plane landed passed the halfway mark of the runway meant it had no chance.
HAYA8U5A
Member
Way too much speed and touching down so far down the runway gave them no chance. That structure directly at the end of a somewhat shorter runway is madness too though. There was no deceleration at all though so not sure even a longer runway like Incheon could have helped if they could have redirected. The lack of landing gear, the lack of flaps, the lack of deceleration and the engine noises seem like more malfunctioning than just a bird strike. The fact they basically did a quick 180 into attempting this makes me think they were not going to be able to stay in the air and just had to rush a belly landing and hope for a miracle but realistically were doomed.
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Lambogenie
Member
So sad. Prayers to all the passengers.
Aggelos
Member
Edit :
"179 people were confirmed dead. 2 survivors, both flight attendants, were rescued from the rear of the aircraft and were conscious. They sustained moderate to serious wounds, including one with fractures to his ribs, shoulder blade and upper spine, and received medical treatment at separate hospitals in Mokpo before being transferred to a hospital in Seoul."
en.wikipedia.org
"179 people were confirmed dead. 2 survivors, both flight attendants, were rescued from the rear of the aircraft and were conscious. They sustained moderate to serious wounds, including one with fractures to his ribs, shoulder blade and upper spine, and received medical treatment at separate hospitals in Mokpo before being transferred to a hospital in Seoul."
Jeju Air Flight 2216 - Wikipedia
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efyu_lemonardo
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How awful. I hope we'll know soon what made the pilots choose this course of action.
My condolences to the families.
My condolences to the families.
Jinzo Prime
Member
It landed on the opposite side of the runway. The airport was designed to function south to north but it appears to have landed from the north going south.
Maybe all airports should be required to function both ways from now on?
ClanOfNone
Member
Fuck, that footage is horrific.
One second you’re sliding on the ground probably thinking, “holy shit, we made it down!”
Then instantaneously vaporized.
One second you’re sliding on the ground probably thinking, “holy shit, we made it down!”
Then instantaneously vaporized.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
It seems pretty clear that coming in too fast and doing so half way along the runway would be so obviously wrong that blaming the pilots for doing so must be misplaced, there surely must have been something that forced them to take this action.
Awful though, based on what is in the video, it looks like if they'd had more runway they'd have been ok.
Awful though, based on what is in the video, it looks like if they'd had more runway they'd have been ok.
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winjer
Member
I wonder if it's the issues with Boeing's quality control, again.
near
Member
Terrible news. It definitely sounds like a malfunction of landing gearsthan pilot error. Airport control alerted the flight crew of potential bird strikes before the first landing attempt, the pilot couldn't land and attempted a go around at which point the pilot issued a mayday. On the second attempt to land, you can see in the footage they're attempting the belly land but unfortunately not decelerating quick enough. Seems like they did all they could.
There was definitely something wrong with the engine based on the comments and footage going around, whether it was due to a bird strike or some other trigger. Technically the fatal outcome may still qualify as "pilot error" in the end, if there was something else they could do at least on paper, but when the gear isn't working *and* other systems may also be compromised in this case...the odds were stacked against the pilots.
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GHG
Gold Member
They usually are. Runways are designed so that planes can land in either direction in case of an emergency.
fran.fernandez
Member
Today I took a plane from Taiwan to Japan. So much turbulence all flight that the little 6 years old in front of me start puking like crazy.
When I arrive Japan I saw the Korean news.
Wtf Is happening.
When I arrive Japan I saw the Korean news.
Wtf Is happening.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
Terrible.
I collect VHS tapes
Member
It ran right into a wall? Am I seeing that right?
Wtf?
Wtf?
Supposedly there is more turbulence because of climate change making the air warmer. I'm not an atmospheric scientist but it was in the news after a man died on a plane because of it earlier in the year.
poodaddy
Member
Never let fear keep you from living your life. We can go at any time, from anything. You could have an aneurysm or stroke in the next five minutes with zero symptoms or family history. Go to that damn game show and enjoy your life bro, you only get one.
......don't fly Boeing though if you can avoid it.
bender
What time is it?
It's definitely part of the ILS atop a berm. You can see it clearly in street view. There's a second smaller berm behind the first that's got more ILS equipment atop it, also visible in street view.
After the berms there's what looks like a chain-link or mesh perimeter fence, then a concrete-block perimeter wall.
Looks like about 400ft (~120m) of displaced threshold after the landing runway, then 450ft (~137m) from the end of the tarmac to the first berm, 100ft (~30m) to the end of the second berm, then 120ft (~37m) to the fence and wall.
Via Reddit: link
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IAmRei
Member
in my place local / domestic flight often landed hard T_T
I dont know how to avoid boeing these days, but will keep on note of it
btw thanks buddy, i guess i'm aged too fast these days ...
poodaddy
Member
We all get scared brother, it's not a problem, just share with the community and we'll help each other through.
I should have done that the other day when I had a strange crisis, started thinking my daughter was gonna hate me when she was older and that it was too late to change it, (she's 13), due to my feeling it was time to ground her for some issues she's had at home that I've let go with a warning for the last three times. It's so tough to balance being a good father with being a "liked" father, but she wouldn't even say I love you to me for a bit, and when my wife and her went to a friend's house for a bit I got deep in the sadness, deeeeeep man. Turned to a bottle of bourbon and tears instead of talking, and it was the wrong move. We're totally fine now and she gives me the biggest hugs, but I just get scared about her hating me due to issues I had with my mother, I don't know.
Long winded point: let's help each other through the fear and pain bro, no need to suffer alone.