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[IAmRei]

We all get scared brother, it's not a problem, just share with the community and we'll help each other through.

I should have done that the other day when I had a strange crisis, started thinking my daughter was gonna hate me when she was older and that it was too late to change it, (she's 13), due to my feeling it was time to ground her for some issues she's had at home that I've let go with a warning for the last three times. It's so tough to balance being a good father with being a "liked" father, but she wouldn't even say I love you to me for a bit, and when my wife and her went to a friend's house for a bit I got deep in the sadness, deeeeeep man. Turned to a bottle of bourbon and tears instead of talking, and it was the wrong move. We're totally fine now and she gives me the biggest hugs, but I just get scared about her hating me due to issues I had with my mother, I don't know.

Long winded point: let's help each other through the fear and pain bro, no need to suffer alone.

I'm glad i can see this kind of comment, we need to help and at least give support each other (because of distance)
I think i can understand, although I'm no father my self yet.
I was working to my own game studio, and seeing lot of youth rebel much and sometimes they got misleading and saw their own consequences.
It's not only their act alone, I think sometimes I cannot tell them properly so they can avoid the consequences of their own.
in the end i ended as unlikeable tyrant sometimes because i openly disagree with many things.
but if I dont do this, they will took wrong way, and somehow could possibly damage my studio later on.

seeing might be samey situation with You above, i think maybe I should learn how to properly chill and communicate well.

btw,
I quit alcohol since married, change it with premium arabica coffee which kind of cheap here in my place.
one thing i cannot stop is smoke, although it's kind of reduced now, i don't smoke anymore, I use vapor
still the same thing but at least i can vape inside house : ))

 

[JayK47]

Everything was fine until hitting that wall. It looked like a movie explosion. Of course it was a Boeing. Those things are flying coffins.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

It's definitely part of the ILS atop a berm. You can see it clearly in street view. There's a second smaller berm behind the first that's got more ILS equipment atop it, also visible in street view.

After the berms there's what looks like a chain-link or mesh perimeter fence, then a concrete-block perimeter wall.

Looks like about 400ft (~120m) of displaced threshold after the landing runway, then 450ft (~137m) from the end of the tarmac to the first berm, 100ft (~30m) to the end of the second berm, then 120ft (~37m) to the fence and wall.

Via Reddit: link

I don’t know what any of this means

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Sounds like a series of bad events capped off by having a solid concrete wall for the ILS antennas for some reason; rip.

 

[bender]

I don’t know what any of this means

Ironically it's the system that helps planes land.

 

[jufonuk]

Everything was fine until hitting that wall. It looked like a movie explosion. Of course it was a Boeing. Those things are flying coffins.

RIP to everyone who died.

 

[od-chan]

Acting president announces weeklong national mourning period over Muan plane crash

Acting president announces weeklong national mourning period over Muan plane crash

Acting President Choi Sang-mok on Sunday declared a weeklong national mourning period following the tragic Muan plane crash that claimed nearly 180 lives, marking South Korea's worst domestic aviation disaster to date. "As of today, the government designates a seven-day national mourning period...

m.koreaherald.com

I know this sounds like it's in bad taste or overly cynic, but it's not like the these people will be brought back to life if the world stands still: It's currently speculated whether or not the MBC Gayo Daejejeon will be cancelled or not. It's a big end of the year music show, not unlike NHK's Kohaku, so that's kind of a big deal. Obviously I hope they don't cancel it.

 

[Banjo64]

Statistically has there been more incidents over the past couple of years?

It certainly feels that way to me however I’ve used to watch Air Crash Investigation when I was in school so aware there’s always been disasters.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Statistically has there been more incidents over the past couple of years?

It certainly feels that way to me however I’ve used to watch Air Crash Investigation when I was in school so aware there’s always been disasters.

No

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Acting president announces weeklong national mourning period over Muan plane crash

Acting president announces weeklong national mourning period over Muan plane crash

Acting President Choi Sang-mok on Sunday declared a weeklong national mourning period following the tragic Muan plane crash that claimed nearly 180 lives, marking South Korea's worst domestic aviation disaster to date. "As of today, the government designates a seven-day national mourning period...

m.koreaherald.com

I know this sounds like it's in bad taste or overly cynic, but it's not like the these people will be brought back to life if the world stands still: It's currently speculated whether or not the MBC Gayo Daejejeon will be cancelled or not. It's a big end of the year music show, not unlike NHK's Kohaku, so that's kind of a big deal. Obviously I hope they don't cancel it.

I mean, they're on their 3rd Prime Minister in a week and now this. They're in turmoil right now so a song contest might not be a concern right now.

Statistically has there been more incidents over the past couple of years?

It certainly feels that way to me however I’ve used to watch Air Crash Investigation when I was in school so aware there’s always been disasters.

South Korea seems to have a massive deadly incident every other year.

List of man-made disasters in South Korea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[sono]

Everything was fine until hitting that wall

Apart from
Touching down long
No landing gear down
Touching down very fast
Earlier bird strike
Everything was fine

 

[GHG]

Statistically has there been more incidents over the past couple of years?

It certainly feels that way to me however I’ve used to watch Air Crash Investigation when I was in school so aware there’s always been disasters.

The overall trend is still in the direction of things getting safer.

It's just that with all the ways these incidents get filmed and plastered all over social media these days it can give the impression that things are getting worse.

It feels so much worse when you can see everything happening in 4k, both from inside and outside of the planes. This footage in particular is some of the worst I've seen because of how brutal it is.

 

[AJUMP23]

737 max was software issues. This seems like something that should be the responsibility of the ground maintainer. The tragedy comes from doing a mediocre job on aircraft.

 

[12Goblins]

Horrific accident. I don't buy the bird strike reasoning. The black box will have all the answer.

 

[newtypepilot]

It landed on the opposite side of the runway. The airport was designed to function south to north but it appears to have landed from the north going south.

Maybe all airports should be required to function both ways from now on?

while normal operations may be using runway 01 (northbound), it still doesn't excuse that the ILS antennas were placed on top of a concrete wall, which is highly questionable. There could be a variety of reasons why the pilot landed on runway 19 (maybe loss of control, unable to make another attempt, etc). It was an emergency, and you have to make snap decisions quickly. And we'll get a better picture once we hear the data recorder. Without that wall the plane would've had another 740+m of space to skid along to decelerate, thereby reducing the loss the lives.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

while normal operations may be using runway 01 (northbound), it still doesn't excuse that the ILS antennas were placed on top of a concrete wall, which is highly questionable. There could be a variety of reasons why the pilot landed on runway 19 (maybe loss of control, unable to make another attempt, etc). It was an emergency, and you have to make snap decisions quickly. And we'll get a better picture once we hear the data recorder. Without that wall the plane would've had another 740+m of space to skid along to decelerate, thereby reducing the loss the lives.

I agree, the wall should not ever have been there, but there is a "reasonable" explanation for it existing.

 

[Hookshot]

List of man-made disasters in South Korea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Are there lists like that for other countries? I tried to find a UK one but it had stuff like heat waves and the black death on it.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Are there lists like that for other countries? I tried to find a UK one but it had stuff like heat waves and the black death on it.

There's one for the US:

Category:Man-made disasters in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just remember, South Korea has a population of 51 million compared to 340 million in the US.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Seriously, why is there a fucking concrete wall at the end of the runway?

 

[Tams]

Sadly, it's not surprising this happened in South Korea.

From what seems to be no attempt to slow down, to putting the concrete wall and an earth berm right at the end of the runway (no, most ILS is not even on a berm, let alone one so close to the runway).

 

[GHG]

 

[Tams]

There also shouldn't be a bloody above ground road outside the perimeter so close to the runway either.

Again though, not really surprising from South Korea. And I veey much doubt they'll learn the lesson they really should from this: all construction and services need to be built and run as safely as possible with extreme circumstances accounted for. No, they'll mostly pay lip service and save face, just like the Sewol.

 

[mitch1971]

Seriously, why is there a fucking concrete wall at the end of the runway?

Reading the comments the plane came into land the opposite way.

 

[Tams]

Reading the comments the plane came into land the opposite way.

Apart from airports where there is no choice (e.g. Lukla in Nepal), runways should be usable in both directions.

 

[mitch1971]

Apart from airports where there is no choice (e.g. Lukla in Nepal), runways should be usable in both directions.

Technically, it probably can, when you have a set of wheels on the plane.

 

[jason10mm]

If they did land halfway down a runway, could they have stopped any faster with gear and flaps? Or at least stopped in time to avoid the wall?

 

[Diogodx]

Planes should have a safeguard option in the case of a problem with the landing gear. Maybe like those parachutes that the space shuttle had.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

If they did land halfway down a runway, could they have stopped any faster with gear and flaps? Or at least stopped in time to avoid the wall?

Sure. There's a lot of safety margin typically built in. From touchdown to taxiing off to the side I don't think it's uncommon to use under half of the runway length but kind of depends on exactly where it touched down. Even if there's still a runway excursion obviously the slower you hit the berm at the end the better the outcome.

So the flaps and gear thing... flaps lower your stall speed. In the context of landing that means you can come in slower than you could in a 'clean' configuration. So the initial landing speed here seems absurdly high presumably in part to no flaps.

As for the gear there's a lot going on there. Most importantly there's a 'weight on wheels' sensor that knows when the plane is on the ground. Typically when you're landing you'll use an auto-brake setting. And when you get on the ground the weight on wheels will trigger the air brakes (on the wings) and also trigger the automatic braking that is stypically set for the wheelbrakes. And it will typically also arm the thrust reversers which deflects some of the engine's remaining thrust in the opposite direction to help slow down the plane further.

So one theory is that they didn't realize they didn't get their gear back down after the go-around. But that doesn't make a lot of sense because of the high speed they came in and the lack of flaps.

 

[Tams]

Technically, it probably can, when you have a set of wheels on the plane.

Nah, trust me. You ain't landing a plane at Lukla the other way around.

 

[Hookshot]

There also shouldn't be a bloody above ground road outside the perimeter so close to the runway either.

The B3073 skirts around the bottom of Bournemouth airport, just a single fence stops cars and planes from mingling.

 

[Tams]

The B3073 skirts around the bottom of Bournemouth airport, just a single fence stops cars and planes from mingling.

Yeah, but that's Bournemouth. Nothing of value would be lost.

 

[MayauMiao]

Yeah but there has been incidents of birds hitting airplane engine before. Main issue with this one was its landing gear not working.

 

[BlackTron]

Way too much speed and touching down so far down the runway gave them no chance. That structure directly at the end of a somewhat shorter runway is madness too though. There was no deceleration at all though so not sure even a longer runway like Incheon could have helped if they could have redirected. The lack of landing gear, the lack of flaps, the lack of deceleration and the engine noises seem like more malfunctioning than just a bird strike. The fact they basically did a quick 180 into attempting this makes me think they were not going to be able to stay in the air and just had to rush a belly landing and hope for a miracle but realistically were doomed.

I'm sure it'll come down to pilot error anyway so Boeing doesn't have to worry about it.

 

[mitch1971]

Nah, trust me. You ain't landing a plane at Lukla the other way around.

I'm talking about the korean runway.

 

[newtypepilot]

 

[JayK47]

Apart from
Touching down long
No landing gear down
Touching down very fast
Earlier bird strike
Everything was fine

Fuck. I should have wrote a wall of text to clarify. It looked like they could have survived until they hit that wall and boom. Fine as in still alive. That damn wall. I wonder what purpose it serves.

 

[ahtlas7]

That hurt to watch.

 

[Robot Carnival]

could the damage be a little less if the pliot had aim at an angle and goes off the runway instead of hitting the wall?

 

[daffyduck]

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[daffyduck]

Everything was fine until hitting that wall. It looked like a movie explosion. Of course it was a Boeing. Those things are flying coffins.

Meh. The operator is more of a concern than the make.

…. Fine as in still alive. That damn wall. I wonder what purpose it serves.

It holds airport equipment. Normally the “wall” wouldn’t be a problem. In this case, it appears the aircraft way overshot the entry threshold of the runway. Maybe the engines were both out, so they couldn’t do a go around? I guess well find out.

 

[SlimySnake]

Just an FYI. I was watching an aviation disaster video of a Pakistani airline that crashed after the pilots tried to land without the landing gear down. There was no issue with the landing gear itself. they had to abort their first landing attempt and the black box showed that the co-pilot retracted the landing gear and totally forgot to bring back it down on their second landing attempt.

Yes, that wall shouldnt be there, but this belly landing makes no sense.

 

[daffyduck]

The “wall” is there for a reason.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

The “wall” is there for a reason.

The wall held the Instrument Landing System that guides pilots in poor visibility conditions. The problem is it's placement:

To have a hard object about 200 meters or less into the overrun; I've never seen anything like this, anywhere, ever before.

 

[ReBurn]

What a horrendous thing to happen.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Reading the comments the plane came into land the opposite way.

Shouldn't matter really and should apply in any direction. You should not have a wall there and today's accident is the reason why. Any emergency and a plane might need a bit of extra room to make a safe landing. I'm sure these people live if that wall wasn't there.

 

[Z O N E]

There also shouldn't be a bloody above ground road outside the perimeter so close to the runway either.

Again though, not really surprising from South Korea. And I veey much doubt they'll learn the lesson they really should from this: all construction and services need to be built and run as safely as possible with extreme circumstances accounted for. No, they'll mostly pay lip service and save face, just like the Sewol.

I will never understand why runways don't have a long stretch AFTER the original runway to account for these sorts of situations. Yes, they're rare, but it's better safe than sorry.

If they did land halfway down a runway, could they have stopped any faster with gear and flaps? Or at least stopped in time to avoid the wall?

I think one of the problems is that the plane was going faster than planes go on takeoff, which is stumping a lot of aviation people. You would think the plane would come in as slow as possible and land as soon as possible to give it as much room as possible to slow down, however it passed halfway mark of the runway at that speed.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Today I took a plane from Taiwan to Japan. So much turbulence all flight that the little 6 years old in front of me start puking like crazy.

When I arrive Japan I saw the Korean news.
Wtf Is happening.

The worst turbulence I ever experienced was on a flight in Japan to Tokyo. I was strapped in very tight but it lifted me well off my seat a few times.

Flights in Asia put me on edge more than ones in Europe after that and after other disasters.

 

[Z O N E]

Korean Ministry of Justice revealed they received an email from someone claiming responsibility for the crash and they mentioned that “high-powered bombs will explode in several cities in Korea on the night of December 31.”

Probably an attention seeking dick, but I don't mind seeing people like this go to prison for life for stupid attention seeking shit like that.

 

[Shubh_C63]

did it went off route. I expected pathway to be much longer.

 

[Hookshot]

I'm amazed the plane held up until it hit the obstruction. Would have thought the runway would have ripped the bottom apart but it seemed pretty sturdy until the other impact.