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John Gonzalez (Guerrila Games) has rejoined Obsidian Entertainment as Creative Director
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Revolutionary
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
He's probably not gonna be involved in Outer Worlds 2 as well, cause that's far along to be given a 2025 date.
But there's always Fallout New Vegas 2.
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jonnyp
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Yeah, Zero Dawn had a good and interesting story. HFW was just terrible.
Bumblebeetuna
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James Sawyer Ford
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Nothing wrong with HZD or HFW’s story
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Bumblebeetuna
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If I asked you to name me a character not named Aloy from HFW you couldn’t do so without looking it up. You’ll reply to this with a name but we’ll all know you looked it up. The story is trash. The original was much better.
BosmerCulter
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Hell, I have to admit, having back the guy who wrote (among others) Robert House, Benny, Yes Man, the Three Families of the Strip, Caesar, Lanius, and the main story of New Vegas is a surprisingly big win for Obsidian.
//DEVIL//
Banned
To be fair, even Aloy name is not memorable.
Sgt. Pinback
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New Vegas?
Lead writer on Horizon Zero Dawn and Horizon Forbidden West, you say?
Lead writer on Horizon Zero Dawn and Horizon Forbidden West, you say?
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James Sawyer Ford
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Pretty easy, Sylens.
But nice try. HFW’s story is infinitely better than slop like halo or gears or outer wokes. Starfield’s story and characters were straight trash
Good get for Obsidian maybe they’ll move on from that terrible OW series they’re trying to make relevant
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BosmerCulter
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I think he had worked particularly on the universe, the lore and the overall story, he was not responsible for the dialogues themselves (I never played Horizon so I don't know which part is the most criticized) while it was his work on New Vegas
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Nice job, you can use Google. And Jesus, everything is console warz with you. If you’re older than 13, seek help please.
TheRedRiders
Member
There's a lot you can criticize about HZD & HFW, like Aloy's boring ass character and the extremely boring and janky combat mechanics - but honestly the story is pretty good, in fact one of my favorites, there's a lot of lore, depth and intrigue, especially in Forbidden West. I loved the whole history of the Far Zeniths, and Nemesis.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You spent the better half of the day arguing with people about Spider-Man 2 not being woke, and then you go ahead and post stuff like this.
Fucks sake James, couldn't be any more transplant even if you tried. Give it a rest.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I argued about its wokeness not being a big deal, not that it’s lacking woke elements
But it is hilarious how many similarly woke games you’re a fan of and never call them out for it
I’m sure you’ll love Obsidian’s next two titles despite being littered with the same garbage that apparently ruins games like SM2. If those games are good or bad it’ll be on their merits beyond the modern pandering we see in full display in almost every single title
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I dropped Forbidden West after 30 hours, all i can say is that i felt like there was a lot of work put into it (like any other aspects of the game) but that didn't make it good. There were so many tribes and all but they all seemed ridiculous to me. I think the world on a fundamental level is pretty ridiculous, might be this prehistoric post apocalyptic scifi blend with dinosaurs machine that take itself so seriously (not that i have anything against games that are trying to be serious but here i don't know...).
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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Jumped ship for a promotion. Can’t hate the player.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Yup same here
I loved the whole far zeniths concept it elevated the game to me since the antagonists aren’t buried simply in audio tapes
Very cool designs
John is an industry legend and makes awesome lore.
Make Obsidian great again! Avowed and TOW ain’t it
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laynelane
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He's probably not gonna be involved in Outer Worlds 2 as well, cause that's far along to be given a 2025 date.
But there's always Fallout New Vegas 2.
Do you think Bethesda would ever green light Obsidian working with the IP again? I'm not so sure. Not saying it's impossible, but there's been lots of time and opportunities over the years and yet nothing has happened.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They're both under the same XGS studios umbrella now, I'm sure if it comes to it, Phil or Sarah Bond can grease the appropriate wheels.
NV was all about the writing... and this guy was the lead writer. This is great for Obsidian.
Because unlike you, I don't change stances based on whose publishing the game
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James Sawyer Ford
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Because unlike you, I don't change stances based on whose publishing the game
You sure about that, broseph? Like I said, you'll be the first one praising Avowed, TOW2, SoM, etc while calling out SM2
Me? One of my next gaming purchases will be a Microsoft game and it's also got tons of woke in it, but hey, the game seems pretty good inspite of that.
James Sawyer Ford
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To me, the return of John actually indicates that Obsidian will be turning into a Fallout factory. Count on it being their next game. And it may return the Fallout series to greatness again, rather than what is devolved into. Fallout hasn't been good since NV
Maybe small side projects if MS lets them work on it, like Pentiment.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't call out Spider Man 2, I call out your flip flopping. I can find posts about you flip flopping just from today, can you find any of my posts in any recent SM2 topics where I'm calling SM2 out for being extra woke? And no, pointing out the BIPOC mission that you forgot doesn't count, that was me reminding you of stuff that happened in the game.
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Sooner
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Zero Dawn's story was great. They somehow made a story about robot dinosaurs taking over the earth compelling.
The Horizon games overall are awesome. The first is definitely more memorable, but both are great. I don't care if they are the flavor of the week for GAF to dunk on.
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TheChumpNation
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Zero Dawn was one of my favourite stories last Gen.
The less said about the direction taken in forbidden west, the better.
The less said about the direction taken in forbidden west, the better.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I don't call out Spider Man 2, I call out your flip flopping. I can find posts about you flip flopping just from today, can you find any of my posts in any recent SM2 topics where I'm calling SM2 out for being extra woke? And no, pointing out the BIPOC mission that you forgot doesn't count, that was me reminding you of stuff that happened in the game.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Wait hold up... you think that's me being anti-woke about SM2?
GTFO, man, lol.
Bumblebeetuna
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Indy? Tons of work stuff like what?
StereoVsn
Gold Member
New Vegas writing including storyline, characterization, quest design and even smaller dialogues were top notch.
Horizon 1 story was alright, characters kind of sucked. HZW was just outright bad.
Actually every single modern Sony sequel was much worse vs their first games. TLOU, Horizon, Spider-Man, God of War.
Horizon 1 story was alright, characters kind of sucked. HZW was just outright bad.
Actually every single modern Sony sequel was much worse vs their first games. TLOU, Horizon, Spider-Man, God of War.
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James Sawyer Ford
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Wait hold up... you think that's me being anti-woke about SM2?
GTFO, man, lol.
Of course it was a dig at that.
Anyways, back to John making Obsidian great again - are you excited about him taking over Fallout again? Should be dope.... their newest IPs aren't really landing with me.
laynelane
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Didn't Bethesda retain some level of independence after the acquisition? I ask because it's always seemed like the stopping point for a sequel to New Vegas is Bethesda itself. I suppose the other question is whether Phil or Sarah would step in. New Vegas is critically acclaimed and a fan favourite, but both Fallout 3 and 4 outsold it. Fallout 4 by quite a lot too. I suppose time will tell, though, and anything can happen.
James Sawyer Ford
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here's the deal - Bethesda is working on Elder Scrolls next
They don't have a studio positioned for Fallout. And Fallout TV series was a big hit. Microsoft is going to go all in on Fallout for gaming, and they have a very obvious choice developer who can work on it in parallel with Elder Scrolls.
This is a no brainer thing that I imagine is happening. John coming back cements that, too. They wanted his talent back to take over the Fallout series.
This is a slam dunk. Count on it.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I guess, but MS was able to sway them to publish Indy as a console exclusive at launch despite it being veery originally announced as a multi-plat game. So there's some sway there.
Also, I think some of that Todd Howard animosity towards Obsidian was overblown, he's been on record that there's no such dislike like that.
'New Vegas is a very, very important game to us,' says mildly exasperated Todd Howard, who will never stop getting grilled about New Vegas
As for whether another Obsidian Fallout could happen, he won't say.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
More good. He's the guy who wrote arguably one of the best WRPG's.
laynelane
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Wouldn't that involve Obsidian abandoning all their titles, their current and future IPs, to focus solely on Fallout? They're not a huge studio and working on Fallout would take resources away from everything else. Again, not saying it's impossible, but there's definitely some stumbling blocks there.
Well good for him and Obsidian. If its hiring about skills and talent, and not anything about politics or agenda, I'm all for it.
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James Sawyer Ford
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I'm pretty sure they don't have any other titles beyond Avowed and TOW. They were likely discussing Fallout for at least a year or so since the TV series hit
Guessing it is their next project, they've been pretty busy with two games set to release this year
But yes, it would involve them abandoning their other new IP....which MS is ok with because Fallout is a way bigger IP that's currently dormant
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poodaddy
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Would you guys just fuck already? The sexual tension is getting to be too much man, "will they, won't they?" Just go deep inside each other so we can all get back on the same page again, Chasing Amy style.
laynelane
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I guess, but MS was able to sway them to publish Indy as a console exclusive at launch despite it being veery originally announced as a multi-plat game. So there's some sway there.
Also, I think some of that Todd Howard animosity towards Obsidian was overblown, he's been on record that there's no such dislike like that.
'New Vegas is a very, very important game to us,' says mildly exasperated Todd Howard, who will never stop getting grilled about New Vegas
As for whether another Obsidian Fallout could happen, he won't say.www.pcgamer.com
I've always thought that so-called animosity was overblown. Actually, I thought it was completely made up by fans who really want a New Vegas sequel and put that forward as an answer to why it's never happened. I could be way off here, but Bethesda comes across as a company that simply prefers making games their way. People can criticize the engine, say this or that is outdated, complain about how long games take to come out etc. but it doesn't faze them whatsoever. That attitude, or way of doing things, seems fairly consistent throughout their history. If anything, New Vegas was an outlier which is why I'm unsure about the possibility of a NV sequel.
I see your point about Indy, but game distribution ties into different factors than IP management and may be governed by different rules according to the contractual set-up they have. Still, it does prove MS can and will intervene when they choose to. You're right about that.
laynelane
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I see your mind is made up lol. It would make business sense (considering the renewed and new interest in the IP due to the show as you said) and, more importantly, it would make a lot of people happy - so, I hope you're right.
laynelane
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It's a shame that got copyrighted by WB. It'd be great to see it in more games and also to see what others could do with it.