June 2008 NPD Sales Data
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polyh3dron said:
WTF!?!?! It's been on ESPN since last year, almost non stop.
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Jtyettis said:
Your post is filled with all sorts of fail.
The only thing that will usher in the sort of disparity you're expecting is a significant price drop on the 360 with Sony doing absolutely nothing in return.
Gears of War 2 and Fable 2 are titles that will sell really well, but they are also titles that will cater to the audience that already purchased the Xbox 360.
Not only that, but Sony has the benefit of Blu-Ray ramping up this holiday season with some pretty stellar releases like The Dark Knight and Wall-E, not to mention cheaper HDTV prices and more promotion of Blu-Ray in general in stores. Given that the format war is over, I think Blu-Ray will provide a decent boost this fall.
Further, Sony has a strong lineup of its own. Resistance 2, MotorStorm 2, and Little Big Planet are great titles. Arguably, if there's any game that has the ability to capture more PS3 users it's Little Big Planet. Like Gears of War 2, Resistance 2 is a title that will sell to the hardcore fanbase.
What it comes down to is that the PS3 is perceived as a MUCH better value to those that haven't juped into any system yet. Blu-Ray and the release of solid content has solidified this view. Before, consumers felt they were paying a premium for a feature (Blu-Ray), that may not be viable in the long run due to the competition from HD-DVD.
Like I said, the only thing that will stop the PS3's current trend is a price drop from MS. The software lineups could each be argued any which way.
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seattle6418
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I guess people now understand why Nintendo doesn't give a crap about E3. They don't need it and they couldn't care less if people are upset about it. A huge chunk of the expanded market is being absorved by them.
Lego indy and guitar hero are perfect games for their plataform, no wonder they did well.
About the MSG bump, bit of surprise, i thought the bump was going to be smaller. Funny how you can talk about it for hours, come up with numbers and quotes, but in the end, it's all about the exclusive games.
Playstation once had Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Devil May Cry, Resident Evil, GTA and so many others just for them. 600 dollars or not, it's all about those kind of games.
Do you guys think Sony likes to lose the exclusivity on those? Of course not, but with their rich competitor and the state of the business, they knew they couldn't afford that. So i guess their decision of making their own exclusives was a good one.
Any month you can drop a GT or a Halo is a good one.
And about LBP, huge mistery. Could be a sleeper hit, and can also be a Viva Pinata. No one gan safely say that it will move tons of hardware. It's the only title capable of a huge surprise, but nothing set in stone yet.
Lego indy and guitar hero are perfect games for their plataform, no wonder they did well.
About the MSG bump, bit of surprise, i thought the bump was going to be smaller. Funny how you can talk about it for hours, come up with numbers and quotes, but in the end, it's all about the exclusive games.
Playstation once had Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Devil May Cry, Resident Evil, GTA and so many others just for them. 600 dollars or not, it's all about those kind of games.
Do you guys think Sony likes to lose the exclusivity on those? Of course not, but with their rich competitor and the state of the business, they knew they couldn't afford that. So i guess their decision of making their own exclusives was a good one.
Any month you can drop a GT or a Halo is a good one.
And about LBP, huge mistery. Could be a sleeper hit, and can also be a Viva Pinata. No one gan safely say that it will move tons of hardware. It's the only title capable of a huge surprise, but nothing set in stone yet.
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Nevermind.
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charlequin said:
Admittedly, we have 0 actual evidence so far re: moneyhats, but I don't find the theory implausible at all. Considering the profligate spending so far to woo 3rd parties, S-E could probably have obtained a decent set of incentives merely by asking. Knowing S-E, they certainly wouldn't let an opportunity like that slip them by, even if they were planning on doing the port no matter the package. For Microsoft's part, the marginal benefit for breaking Sony's exclusive hold would also have been fairly high.
If we ever do get concrete news about the offered deal, I would not be shocked to discover some measure of compensation offered to S-E.
Private Hoffman said:
Ok that is fine what do you say R2 will sale compared to Gears 2 month 1. Now, what do you say LBP will sale against Fable 2 month 1. I don't think this really a judgment call to be perfectly honest. Now what do you say in how they will move hardware for each of their respective systems. I have no doubts that the 500k(Dec) and 300k(Nove) more that the 360 did last fall save a price cut from Sony and none from Microsoft will happen again. The Nielson statistics back up this lock on youth way more so for MS than Sony more than any other factor for Christmas.
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Private Hoffman said:
Value is the eye of the beholder. I don't watch Blu-Ray movies. I sold the freebie on my launch 60GB. Fable 2 sold 3 million units. There are probably some people wanting to purchase a console when this drops. Viva Pinata actually has a decent following of his cartoon and it appears that Microsoft will actually give a damn when advertising it this go 'round, combine that with the fact that Viva Pinata and Banjo are going to retail at 39.99, I'd say that these two with something like Lips or a Your at the movies might pull some people in. Not as much as a Fable, but some people might look their way.
KTallguy said:
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Fun numbers. You know the number that stand out to me? PS2. It's like 150k-200k each month. How crazy is that? It's still going pretty strong. Seeing those kind of numbers, it kind of makes sense as to why Sony would go ahead and drop PS2 BC. It's still a system that sells and if people wants games for it, they can pick it up no problem.
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Agree 100% that was total PR shill speak there.VAIL said:
Reminds me of the hilarious Wii vs PS3 Fan Parody
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UBJQxFKD5Sk
"Have you even ever heard of the Bluray? Its the future!!!"
Agent Icebeezy said:
A lot of people watched HD-DVDs though.
If people think that Viva Pinata is actually going to sell to kids after all this time, I really wonder what world their living in. Banjo is much more likely. And games like Lego Indy are a better draw.
Agent Icebeezy said:
Hmm.
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Jtyettis said:
This isn't about a pissing contest of which game will sell better than the other. It never was. Both systems have a great number of exclusive first party content as well as multiplatform 3rd party content.
The nielsen statistics about the youth are irrelevant. They don't mean squat. You can interpret them in a number of different ways. They certainly haven't meant shit for the first half of 2008 in terms of Sony vs. Microsoft.
It's all about perceived value of the system and titles that may have the potential to broaden their audience. Think about it this way: Consumers that haven't purchased a next-gen system yet have already had their taste of Resistance 1 and Gears of War 1. Both of those titles, at the time, failed to push them to purchase the hardware. In 2008, what is going to make up their mind? The overall package that they feel is the most compelling. This is partly made up by software. Will Gears 2 finally do it? Will Resistance 2 finally do it? With the addition of Blu-Ray, a larger hard drive, free online, and standard Wifi into the PS3, and a competitive price of $399 compared to the competition's price of $350, it's not hard to imagine why consumers would opt to go with the Playstation 3. This ain't PR speak, this is just reality. If you think the PS3 is going to be outsold like it was last year by the Xbox 360, you've got another thing coming. The ONLY thing that could make that happen is a price cut.
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KTallguy said:
39.99 in this generation for a quality title will make practically anyone receptive.
People really think LBP is going to be some big hit? Like, sell massive?
It'll probably be successful, cause it looks like it's going to be a great game, but it's not going to 'save' the PS3.
The idea that either the PS3 or the 360 can capture the 'casual' audience at this point is wrong. It's not going to happen. The Wii has too much mindshare and too many games (regardless of quality). A lot of people don't buy consoles specifically for games. They buy games specifically for the console they own.
It'll probably be successful, cause it looks like it's going to be a great game, but it's not going to 'save' the PS3.
The idea that either the PS3 or the 360 can capture the 'casual' audience at this point is wrong. It's not going to happen. The Wii has too much mindshare and too many games (regardless of quality). A lot of people don't buy consoles specifically for games. They buy games specifically for the console they own.
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Holy shit. Let me get this straight.VAIL said:
Saying that Blu-ray HD movie playback capability (built in WiFi too) gives the PS3 more value than the 360 = Sony PR spin?
srsly?
GTFO with that BS. The PS3 plays 1080p high def movies, the 360 doesn't. It's a valid selling point and the way you fanboys trivialize it is laughable. And don't give me that "bu bu bu but digital downlodez" crap, those downloads are only 720p and have crappy lossy audio.
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KTallguy said:
Viva is still on TV. Most kids shows don't make it through their first season.
But going to your other point, I still don't see the Blu Ray draw in terms of real mainstream penetration. People said the same thing last year. "This Christmas Blu-Ray is really going to come into its own." (And Ratalouie made more money than Wall-E will end up making and it didn't exactly set the BR market on fire.)
People have been saying for months that MS could potentially drop a Blu-Ray add on to the console. Which would be a signal, naturally, that the format is really starting to hit its stride. What did they do? Make a deal with Netflix, streaming movies of a quality, depending on your stream, just about that of a DVD.
The writing is on the wall and, for now at least, and certainly for the rest of the year at least, Blu Ray is not really that gigantic of a swaying point. All hands are on deck for convenience over quality. For now, at least.
legend166 said:
I agree 100%. Are casual gamers really going to spend $400 on a video game system? These are the same people who thought a PS2 with tons of exclusives and momentum wasn't worth 299. I think LBP might increase sales a little, but it will be because of hard core gamers buying.
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Way to go MGS4. I think Kojima rikes it.
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damisa said:
The same thing was said about Singstar. The PS3 is in the same place that the 360 has been for a while. They're making strong strides toward a more casual market but their price point isn't there to make it all the way.
polyh3dron said:
It's not what was said, it's the way it was said.
People buy consoles to play games, first and foremost...added value is subjective. Plenty of 360 owners seem perfectly content downloading content. I hate to burst a bubble but Blu-ray is never going to be the next DVD, no matter what format came out on top, they were both stopgap solutions. Downloaded content is the future, period.
Xeke said:
What? It was selling on par with the PS3 until this month. We all knew the PS3 would beat the 360 the month MGS4 was released so this is no big shocker. Should be back to neck and neck next month with the 20GB price cut. Another thing I see moving a decent amount of units this fall is the Netflix deal. I can see more than a few Netflix owners picking the 360 over the PS3 once that services is available.
Stumpokapow said:
When I said the 360 did better, I didn't realize it was a 5 week month.
Still, it didn't do terrible. Not at their price point and that fact there weren't any system sellers for the month.
In fact, it's apparently good enough for Microsoft not to have a price drop.
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BenjaminBirdie said:
It was enough of a swaying point to bring back the Playstation 3 from getting outsold by the Xbox 360 by 60-65% in November/December to the Playstation 3 eventually outselling the 360 by 300k YTD so far in the US, and slightly better than parity prior to MGS4 month.
To write Blu-Ray off like that is absurd. You may not like Blu-Ray, but apparently it was a big enough factor to provide a significant boost to the Playstation 3 over the first half of 2008.
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Loudninja said:
Didn't SingStar come out? I'm not writing it off. As far as Little Big Planet goes, look, I'm amazed by it every time I see it. I think it's gorgeous, clever, and the most well designed game, from a graphic stand point, since Wip3out. And it knocks out audiences at trade shows and game journos can't get enough of it. Which makes sense. Because it's amazing.
But I just wonder if it can cross over, that's all. I mean all of us fell over ourselves laughing at the Nintendo conference but in our hearts we know all that garbage is going to sell like gangbusters.
For something like LBP to really do exceptionally well, as well as it deserves, it can't just rely on the same demographic that's been supporting HiDef gaming for the past three years. It has to branch out.
I hope that it does. I hoped Viva Pinata would.
I'm not writing off LBP. I think it absolutely has the potential to take that next step and be massive. But it also has the potential to appeal to the current PS3 userbase and that's it. Which isn't awful. It will still be well supported and constantly populated by user generated content because it's clearly so much fun to make, but it also might not.
But don't think I'm writing it off.
Flakster99
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Outside of the top 10 software numbers, do we have other software numbers?
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Private Hoffman said:
I'm not writing off Blu-Ray dude. Obviously it's a selling point for the PS3. I just don't think it's a big factor in the marketplace yet and I think is almost overwhelming evidence that the marketplace is CURRENTLY (NOT in the long term) drifting towards convenience over fidelity.