Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Lol at comparing Rockstar games to anything else.
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Kadokawa Open to Sony Deal Under Certain Conditions
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James Sawyer Ford
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lol at thinking Elden Ring 2 suddenly wouldn’t sell if it’s delayed
Sebastian1295
Neo Member
Buying kadokawa makes all the sense in the world for sony and would be one of the best value buys that they could possibly make. I mean just imagine launching the ps6 with a fromsoftware exclusive game. The sales opportunity is absolutely massive.
Cyberpunkd
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Never said it wouldn’t sell, but Elden Ring doesn’t have a GAAS component to keep the game alive. RDR2 and GTA Online are bigger money makers than the main games.
Doubtful you’d get 900K concurrent players in Elden Ring 2 on Steam after delaying the game by over a year. The launch window and huge initial marketing push are very important.
killatopak
Gold Member
It's called ps plus.
ElFenomeno
Member
Bloodborne 2 will PS6 exclusive. Mark my words.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Elden Ring doesn’t need a massive marketing campaign to sell
Steam CCU isn’t as important as overall sales
Badlucktroll
Member
I think Bloodborne 2 should be a much larger prequel based around the conflict between the healing church and the vilebloods
The point of bringing up BB was to show the series isn’t nearly dependent on PC as you think. When BB sold nearly 8 million to DS3 10 million.
If you think Sony can’t cut off From from PC then why have they been doing just that? DeS and BB are not on PC. They’ve ported almost all of their other major games except those. That is obviously a deliberate decision at this point.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Yes, it does. There’s a reason big AAA games have massive marketing budgets.
Sure, but you went ahead and compared games that sell for a decade in no small part thanks to their hugely popular GAAS to a game that has a finite shelf life. Elden Ring isn’t going to make top-sellers lists in 2032 like GTA VI probably will in 2035. Delaying it by 1 year would negatively impact the sales and significantly at that.
The point was moronic. 8M isn’t gonna sustain the next game, so who gives a shit what Bloodborne sold? From isn’t a mid-tier developer anymore, so bringing up what they did a decade ago is useless.
Bloodborne isn’t even being ported or remastered even on PlayStation. Demon’s Souls was in the GeForce leak.
You have Elden Ring selling 44% of the copies on PC in Europe. The game has likely sold well over 12M on PC by now after about 30 months, yet you bring up stuff that sold freakin’ 7.5M in over 100 months. But sure, I’m certain Sony would be ecstatic at the prospect of losing 10M+ copies.
bitbydeath
Member
Keep in mind, even Rockstar Games don’t sell day one on PC, and they do just fine with a multi-year delay.
This method is great for double-dippers.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
RDR2 doesn’t have a hugely popular GaaS component
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Once again, Elden Ring isn't on the level of Rockstar Games. Rockstar titles have the online portion that is hugely profitable and keeps the game afloat for years. Do you think Elden Ring will still be making top-sellers lists in 2032? If not, why are you even comparing it to Rockstar games?
Yes, it does. Not as big as GTA, but RDR2 online is still lucrative and very popular.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
It doesn’t matter if they are on the level of rockstar, they are still “too big to miss” even without GaaS and a delay
Varteras
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No, they aren't. You're using Rockstar to prove something about a game that is nowhere near as popular as RDR2 or GTA. You have it backwards. RDR2 has sold 67M copies. Elden Ring won't reach those numbers. Rockstar games are a different animal unlike anything else in the industry.
Would Elden Ring 2 flop after a year's delay? Absolutely not, but its sales would be negatively impacted. Why would Sony want that?
kungfuian
Member
I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony buy them and then sell off parts of the company they don't want in short order.
As far as exclusives, I highly doubt Sony will pull anything that's already day one PC like a sequel to Elden Ring. They seem more interested in selling games and shorter-term profits than selling consoles these days. With X-box exiting the hardware market in all but name Sony no longer has competitive pressure to build their hardware platform as much as they used to. I wouldn't be surprised to see a ever shrinking window of exclusivity for their console versus PC anyways. Probably going to end up something like day one for all them multi-player stuff and 6 months for single player or whatever math lets them maximize profits on software while still having some exclusive window on the console.
I'm personally happy about a deal like this because I feel like Sony are better than a lot of other terrible companies that could potentially buy them.
As far as exclusives, I highly doubt Sony will pull anything that's already day one PC like a sequel to Elden Ring. They seem more interested in selling games and shorter-term profits than selling consoles these days. With X-box exiting the hardware market in all but name Sony no longer has competitive pressure to build their hardware platform as much as they used to. I wouldn't be surprised to see a ever shrinking window of exclusivity for their console versus PC anyways. Probably going to end up something like day one for all them multi-player stuff and 6 months for single player or whatever math lets them maximize profits on software while still having some exclusive window on the console.
I'm personally happy about a deal like this because I feel like Sony are better than a lot of other terrible companies that could potentially buy them.
bitbydeath
Member
That’d be great if it were aiming for GTA numbers but isn’t required to outpace Elden Ring sales.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
PC sales numbers aren't particularly representative given that so often the numbers are inflated over time by deep discounting.
The PC market is so big that its essentially bottomless, whereas consoles can hit a point of relative saturation - its why attach-rate is a common metric on one but not the other! And obviously this is very impactful the longer the time-scale being measured gets, especially given generational shifts.
The bottom line though is that the short but -in ideal circumstances- massive bursts of revenue that a game can generate during a launch window are simply more useful for keeping devs afloat than steady but small sales over time. Because they can point to the result and say, "if you invest in us, we can return you x dividends on your investment in y months".
The PC market is so big that its essentially bottomless, whereas consoles can hit a point of relative saturation - its why attach-rate is a common metric on one but not the other! And obviously this is very impactful the longer the time-scale being measured gets, especially given generational shifts.
The bottom line though is that the short but -in ideal circumstances- massive bursts of revenue that a game can generate during a launch window are simply more useful for keeping devs afloat than steady but small sales over time. Because they can point to the result and say, "if you invest in us, we can return you x dividends on your investment in y months".
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Doesn’t work here. 44% was for the first two weeks in Europe.
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Exclusive beggars are gonna be very disappointed when Sony makes the logical decision not to lose out on 40%+ of their potential revenue from an acquisition of this size. I dont even think it’s a foregone conclusion that From gets folded into SIE.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
The rule still stands, especially as there's zero chance that Sony would artificially delay a PC release of a game with high potential sales on that platform outside of scenarios where the stakes are higher than the ROI on the game itself.
For instance coinciding the launch of a game with a new platform sets up an entirely different risk/reward equation than something just being published.
Also, as I've said before, releasing multiple formats simultaneously is never going to be "free". Its more time, work and resources for the devs and if deadlines start to get squeezed chances are it will impact quality if they are stretching themselves thin over multiple SKU's. There is always a qualitative impact.
Neofire
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Mr Moose
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bitbydeath
Member
They wouldn’t be losing out if it’s timed, chances are they will make a lot more money as they receive 100% of the sales on PlayStation vs 70% on PC.
Being timed means the PlayStation split would grow as the Elden Ring PC gamer numbers could either already own a PlayStation or be inclined to buy one, and if they time it right with an upgrade (Rockstar style) they could then get double dippers.
Jesus dude can you read? BB sold 25% less than DS3 without being on PC or Xbox. The absolute number isn’t the point but a sequel would obviously sell a lot more than 8M. People buy consoles for these games. That’s what matters. That doesn’t change now that From is in the “big leagues” or whatever.
Ok great? That just means 56% in Europe didn’t buy ER on PC. Take a guess which console that is over there.
Bottom line BB is available to buy and play for any ps5 owner so it doesn’t need a port. It is not available to buy on PC where it would supposedly sell millions upon millions of copies. When even stuff like sackboy and ratchet got PC ports. What are they waiting for? DeS being on the nvidia leak is irrelevant at this point. A lot of things from there didn’t come to fruition. It doesn’t take 4 years to port a game. So either it isn’t happening or Sony doesn’t see PC as a big priority for From Soft games and thinks they are more valuable as full exclusives.
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Badlucktroll
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I bet Miyazaki does a game on Decima for sure
mayham2199
Member
I don’t understand how people are so sure Sony won’t do timed exclusive. Sony has consistently given up more game sales in order to boost the appeal of the console.
I’m not sure they do it here also but it’s weird how sure people are that they won’t and then use game sales as proof when we know Sony sacrificing game sales is the norm for them.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Every from soft fan should be frothing at the mouth at Sony owning them. They’d have access to tools and talent that make their games look like they belong on a ps5
No more excuses releasing such hideous shit
No more excuses releasing such hideous shit
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ultrazilla
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Haint
Member
Huff that copium harder. From will officially be a labeled Playstation Studio if acquired. They're not Bungie, they dont make live service MMO's, they'll be treated like ND, SSM, SP, etc..., meaning 2+ year delays on PC. Sony's existing first party games would also sell 10x - 20x better on PC day 1, but they still delay them 2 years to maintain that PS store revenue split and their grift ass subscription services.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And can you not be dishonest? Dark Souls III had sold 10 million after 4.5 years. Bloodborne had sold 7.64M after 7 years. We haven't had an update for the sales numbers since 2020. It could very well be at 15M for all we know. 40% of the sales of the Dark Souls series were on PC back in 2015. For Elden Ring, it was 44% in Europe. You trying to pass this off as PC accounting for only 25% of the sales is comically disingenuous.
When Dark Souls sold 10 million, the franchise had sold 27 million. Fast-forward less than 2 years later and the franchise (without Demon's Souls Remake) was at 33.4M. Dark Souls III sold a lot more than 10 million. Dark Souls III also sold MUCH better than Bloodborne. It outpaced by more than 2:1, so this doesn't work in your favor at all. Dark Souls III took 1.5 months to sell 3 million. Bloodborne took 5.5 months to sell 2 million.
And that means PC was the biggest platform by a wide margin. You're trying to say it would only be 25% of the sales is false. It would be much closer to 50%.
Or rather that Demon's Souls is an old game that didn't sell all that well and that has been far surpassed by more modern titles. Bloodborne not receiving a port but games like Sackboy and Rift Apart getting one tells you everything you need to know, or do you seriously think Sony figured those games would sell more on PC than Bloodborne?
Spider-Man 2 is coming to PC after 14 months. 2+ years delay, my ass. You're the one coping hoping that Sony will take away exclusives because you're mad they've been porting them to PC.
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This is the correct take
bitbydeath
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*15 months.
Baldesion
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damiank
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Riley Reid.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Elden Ring pro update is coming ye haaaaaaaaaaaa.
You honestly think he's mad at that? You don't know people here well enough. The post you replied to was clear enough that he wouldn't be mad at that.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Buying Kadokawa would be a major step in that direction. People have been criticising Sony for their lack of investment, so wouldn't acquiring FROM (albeit indirectly) indicate a massive elevation -in prestige and importance to their core business- for their Asian operations?
The simple reality is that FROM is a crown jewel, they would be on the same level as ND and Insomniac.