Truthtellers
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It's on there because of the LEGO contract.
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Lego Horizon Adventures is on Switch because Playstation Studio’s Guerrilla Games wanted the game to reach more people
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Microsoft released their kid friendly stuff on other platforms, so it makes sense Sony’s allowing this on Switch. Bigger audience means bigger sales, and you’re introducing your ip to a new audience.
Makes sense when they’ve got a Horizon GaaS game coming up - which could maybe appear on Switch 2. It wouldn’t surprise me.
Anyways it’ll be interesting to see if the Switch version outsells the PS5 version.
Makes sense when they’ve got a Horizon GaaS game coming up - which could maybe appear on Switch 2. It wouldn’t surprise me.
Anyways it’ll be interesting to see if the Switch version outsells the PS5 version.
Angry_Megalodon
Banned
The Switch audience couldn't be less interested in the Horizon IP, it's the opposite of what they like. Gravity Rush would have been better if Sony hadn't killed it off.
CityHunter1981
Member
There are 2 reasons it’s on switch:
Get a new audience to buy the main games on PC or PS5. And considering it’s Lego it’s also targeting a younger audience, and this audience often only have a switch.
Get a new audience to buy the main games on PC or PS5. And considering it’s Lego it’s also targeting a younger audience, and this audience often only have a switch.
Team Andromeda
Member
Not to upset fans like you...
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Given sales of specific games like Elden Ring on Xbox, that's clearly not accurate. Games CAN sell on Xbox they're just few and far between.
Like I said, Sony knows exactly how many Xbox players are playing Destiny 2. They have all the information they need to make an informed decision on Helldivers 2.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I don't think porting Helldivers 2 to Xbox changes the dynamic of the "console war." Though it probably changes the dynamics of Helldivers 2 as a property.
I think the only argument is that they don't want to give more reasons to existing users to hold on to their current console, but putting Helldivers 2 on xbox isn't going to actively sell xboxes.
They absolutely have a choice with Bungie and they're choosing to publish there. They could cancel Marathon on Xbox anytime they want.
It is somewhat telling that Lego Horizon isn't going to xbox, but also who thinks it would sell there?
Astrobot is a love letter to PlayStation and the audience who gets those references are the least likely to actually buy the game as it targets kids primarily. It would have a much better chance at selling on the switch and ps5.
I'd even put it on Steam, but mandate that it can only be played with dual sense... i.e. certain sections aren't playable without it.
Chiggs
Gold Member
rhodesianshepard
Banned
Yeah, if Xbox was not PlayStation's direct competition, it would completely make sense to port it over. From a hardware perspective, Xbox may be nothing more than a niche console in a couple years. I don't know why Playstation would port over HD2, their biggest exclusive this generation, for short term profits. It seems quite clear with the new Lego game, Playstation doesn't want to give up an inch to Xbox
Playstation has no choice with Bungie. Bungie operates and publishes separately from Playstation. That was agreed upon Sony purchasing them
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Shifty1897
Member
James: When we approached this game, we wanted to make sure that it was for everyone
Xbox players: Yay
James: Not you though lol
Xbox players: Yay
James: Not you though lol
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
What's the Lego contract?
thismeinteil
Member
How's Switch 2 going to capture marketshare against PS6, when Switch 1 didn't against PS4/5? They're completely different products. One's a handheld hybrid that's about 2 gens behind in terms of power, while the other is a high end home console.
The same will happen next gen. Switch 2 will be, at best, capable of pulling off PS4 level graphics, while the PS6 is probably going to be a 50+Tflops machine, with 24GB of RAM, much more advanced raytracing, and AI. No one is moving from a PS5 to solely a (basically) portable PS4. It would be a downgrade and would mean leaving behind two gens worth of their digital library. They may buy the Switch 2 in addition to a PS6, though.
Sony will focus on their home console business first, and any handheld aspirations second. Which will most likely be just an upgraded PS Portal.
Madserb2023
Member
I don't know if I believe the reason given but they could also be indicating that they won't have a handheld in the future.
Not much competition with the Switch given the age of the Switch hardware and technical limits.
Watch what happens to the sales charts for PS and Xbox when Switch 2 shows up.
Mistake to take it dogmatically that there’s no competition from Nintendo.
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Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
It's not a game that everyone deserves to play
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
let's see
Microsoft is putting games on more platforms to save their division.
Sony is putting games on PC to maximize profit.
Major difference.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Microsoft is putting their games everywhere to make BANK. It's the same thing.
When Sony wants even more profit, we will see games day one on pc. It's coming, we all know it is.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
MS strategy ensures they wont have to overspend on hardware and platform.
Their metascores are also low which means they don’t fund journalists/ youtubers either.
Gamepass means they don’t need them, people can just play the game and see for themselves.
I think they are setting up themselves to do well financially.
On top, gamepass is going to have a massive library. Very appealing to anyone newly jumping into it.
//DEVIL//
Member
Not sure if sarcasm…. I feel it’s sarcasm….. but I’ll answer if it’s not…. Because they don’t want to port the game just to sell 3 copies …
Duchess
Member
It stipulates that, within reason, a game created with the Lego brand must be released on as many platforms as possible.
Xbox was left out because Sony didn't want to, which is reasonable.
(the above is bullshit, obviously)
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
- Console sales are below their projections.
- Game Pass subscribers are below their projections.
The fact that gamers love Game Pass doesn't change the fact that it's not performing well according to leaked documents by Microsoft.
Microsoft stopped Redfall, Hi-Fi Rush, Starfield, and Indiana Jones from appearing on PlayStation shortly after the Zenimax acquisition.
Now they're trying to port more games to competing platforms.
Xbox fans refuse to acknowledge the failures within their division. This new "strategy" from Microsoft after all the leaked documents should be a wake up call as to what's going on within their division, but no, you want to pretend everything has been great all along.
midnightAI
Member
Do we? Because I don't see all games being day one at all.
I mean, you can say it over and over and over ad nauseam (and you do), but that doesn't mean it will happen.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Anyone that believes this fluff is naive.
Its Sony' choice. Sony told them to say this. Point blank. Developers don't want to waste time porting to a shitty weak console to lessen their game.
Its Sony' choice. Sony told them to say this. Point blank. Developers don't want to waste time porting to a shitty weak console to lessen their game.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Well, Redfall didn’t launch is finished state.
Starfield was polished at launch, but only now it’s coming together properly.
Both these examples doesn’t look like someone trying hard to sell their consoles.
They always had this plan that they are following now. Also the reason why they could purchase Acti-Blizz.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
They stopped the development of the PS5 version of Starfield.
Microsoft renegotiated the contract for Indiana Jones to make it exclusive.
They wouldn't do this unless they were trying to grow their ecosystem.
They're not trying hard to sell their console? lol.
They had an extended steep discount for their hardware and revealed it sold below expectations.
Its time to face the facts.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
If it was all about bank then why did they try to make games exclusive after the acquisition?
vaibhavpisal
Member
So they have the exclusives, discounts, quality console.
Why is it not selling as well? Enlighten me.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
so they're both trying to make more money? Gotcha.
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Key difference being that one is the market-leader and the other is desperate for some way to stay relevant in the industry.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
We're not talking about Switch here, tho.
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Try again:
New report shows market share and more between Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft
Battle of the big 3
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Microsoft has struggled to release big exclusives consistently for nearly 10 years now. They have been far behind the competition. One or two years of great exclusives aren't going to change overnight, they have to change years of damage that has been done to the brand.
You have to admit they struggled with big exclusives after the 360 generation while the competition was releasing hit after hit that was selling millions of copies.
Varteras
Member
Like I said, I'm not convinced that they aren't fully into the idea of denying Xbox every chance they get.
And I'm pretty sure you're wrong about Bungie. Bungie wanted control over what they make and where they put it. They have a level of autonomy. They actually publish their own games. As long as they reach financial goals that satisfy the clause, they get to keep operating at a level of independence.
I don't think Astrobot is about selling tons of copies. It probably didn't cost that much to make as it is. It's not a tentpole franchise. It very much falls into that "Experimental" category as LEGO Horizon does. Yet here we are. No Switch version. No PC version.
Could they do that later? Possibly. But I also think Sony is fine to just have games on their platform that don't go anywhere else. Also have to consider the possibility that Nintendo wouldn't want it on their platform, seeing as how it is so obviously a PlayStation nostalgia game. I doubt they'd want a game that is basically screaming "PLAY PLAYSTATION"!
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Try again:
New report shows market share and more between Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft
Battle of the big 3gonintendo.com
2 year old research.
But to the relevant part of the discussion, Sony's pivot in strategy is pretty well documented over the last 3, 4 months. So they're getting in the same boat now.
Sony wants to improve PlayStation profit margins with more aggressive PC release strategy | VGC
Hiroki Totoki says the company has to “proactively work on” making more games multi-platform…
www.videogameschronicle.com
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Every company wants to make more money.
It would be dumb to say they're all in the same situation financially.
That's why it's dumb to say, "Sony too."
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Those 2 years make no difference. Probably even increased Sony marketshare, if anything.
Well yeah, they've been saying so since 2019.But to the relevant part of the discussion, Sony's pivot in strategy is pretty well documented over the last 3, 4 months. So they're getting in the same boat now.
Sony wants to improve PlayStation profit margins with more aggressive PC release strategy | VGC
Hiroki Totoki says the company has to “proactively work on” making more games multi-platform…
Lego Horizon just happens to be a curveball nobody had foreseen.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
The Lego contract states
We at Lego at anytime we like can invade the Sony HQ and take any IP owned by Sony and use it as we see fit and Sony can not do anything about it
At least that's what like a dozen people here want us to believe
Varteras
Member
FeralEcho
Member
Can't wait to get a PC next gen and be done with all this shit.
They've completely lost the plot and resemble Microsoft with their mixed messaging.
"We care about exclusives.... that's why we'll release games on Switch and PC now."
"We care about single player games.... that's why we'll now focus on our gaas initiative"
"We believe in generations.... that's why we'll release games on PS4/PS5 for 4 years into the new gen"
At this point they are either gaslighting or just plain retarded and completely forgot what got them to where they are now or just so full of themselves they feel they won't fail. Microsoft also had that same feeling at one point.Now no one buys their hardware lol
They've completely lost the plot and resemble Microsoft with their mixed messaging.
"We care about exclusives.... that's why we'll release games on Switch and PC now."
"We care about single player games.... that's why we'll now focus on our gaas initiative"
"We believe in generations.... that's why we'll release games on PS4/PS5 for 4 years into the new gen"
At this point they are either gaslighting or just plain retarded and completely forgot what got them to where they are now or just so full of themselves they feel they won't fail. Microsoft also had that same feeling at one point.Now no one buys their hardware lol
Topher
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"We at Sony at anytime we like can invade the Lego HQ and take any IP owned by Lego and use it as we see fit and Lego can not do anything about it"
That works too bro
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
No, they will release both a console and handheld and support them both with every game
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart runs on both PS5 and Steamdeck. They will do this approach.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You can't be serious. :-/
I think you underestimate what a good Live Service game can do for a console.
midnightAI
Member
Guerrilla aren't developing it though
As far as Guerrilla are concerned though, they do want it in as many hands as possible, the more people playing your IP the better.
But you are correct in that it won't have been Guerrillas choice as to what platforms it goes on, out of the four parties involved Guerrilla will have about as much say as Studio Gobo
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Varteras
Member
Yeah, I don't understand that mentality either. It sold over 12 million copies in a matter of a few months. Even if only, say, 5 million of those were PS5, that's still a ton of copies in that time for a game that came out of left field for how popular it got. It was all the rage on TikTok, Youtube Shorts, and social media in general. Dudes made cover songs of its main theme. I find it incredibly ignorant to believe it didn't end up selling people on a PS5. Shit, I worked with a dude who was excited because his wife bought him a PS5 for his birthday and he had been wanting to play Helldivers.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This physically isn't possible! Not unless the PS6 is the smallest leap of all time. Again the bolded just isn't possible.
But Sony isn't trying to make as much money as possible with their Live Service games either. Them locking their future GAAS games to linking to a PSN account shows you that they aren't trying to 100% maximize revenue AT ALL COST. It's extremely obvious.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
A few people were still questioning this contract after the Horizon reveal. So Lego called up Herman and put 3 Lego games on PS+ just as a show of force.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
How is it physically impossible?
As I said previously, Ratchet and Clank a native PS5 game with gorgeous graphics also runs on Steamdeck
mayham2199
Member
Yea this is what I thought as well. Apparently there is an MMO coming as well. Now is the time to get as many people interested in this franchise as possible. If they can line up the TV show with the MMO release (or maybe give the MMO a few months to breath first) it could do very well for them if the show is good.