Deerock71
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I'm thinking Witcher 3.I wonder, how many old games will get free patches for the new console.
I mean Doom or Dying Light.
I'm thinking Witcher 3.I wonder, how many old games will get free patches for the new console.
I mean Doom or Dying Light.
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This needs to happen like yesterddayYuzu 2 please
Depends on who you ask:Is this good or bad? I don't know, I need easy examples.
8nm? Not 4 or 5?how else are they going to maintain decent battery on a 8nm ampere? duh
And forget dlss on something so small. You need a bit of performance for dlss to work. The 3050 is not a bad card, but even slower and downclocked ...
It is just a better switch, nothing more. Btw, the memory must be the bottleneck as many developers can't handle that restriction on series s ....
PS: before somebody gets it wrong... No I don't think the memory size limits, maybe the speed
Wait, it won't have DLSS? I've always taken that for granted, but so that was only a rumour?
It's a downclocked 2050, these specs have been known since 2023.
How about 280i/240?Just want 1080p/60 fps in portable mode for Any game. Even 720/60
Buggy Loop boiling inside rn at how wrong he was
OP is nuts (heh).The 3050 Mobile has 33% more cores, nearly twice the memory bandwidth, and 33%+ higher clocks. It's notably more powerful than Switch 2's leaked docked mode specs, and has basically nothing in common with it. No idea what OP is talking about with downclocked 3050.
Aawww so cute
Again the tech illiterate thinks he understand anything from that video
Literally the leak from a week ago for GPU you dum dum
@ 561 MHz the 1.72 teraflops is higher than steam deck and with architecture difference much better than PS4 base's 1.84TFlops because it can't even do raster and compute concurrently.
Nothing changes since. Nothing from any speculations so far has changed from the 2022 leaks. Everything I said in that thread still holds and DF just reinforces the data we already know on the architecture.
AMD A9-9820 - Xbox One APU - Jaguar @2.35GHz - 294
IPC interpolation means
PS4 - Jaguar @1.6GHz - 200
PS4 Pro - Jaguar @ 2.13GHz = 266
A 3GHz A78 single core performance
Mediatek Dimensity 1200 - A78 @3GHz - 975
Switch 2 A78 @ 1GHz = 325
It would have to downclock to 615 MHz to match Jaguar PS4's 1.6GHz score. for single instructions per clock
You're telling me that the rumoured clock from DF at ~1GHz will make its IPC 1.63x better CPU than Jaguar in PS4 base and 1.22x PS4 Pro's jaguar clocks?
I'm sorry you don't understand these things James
Still the same thing as 2022. Like Zacfoldor said, this is fucking groundhog day
~PS4 base TFlops in HANDHELD with much better modern features
~3.1 TFlops as per DF's docked 1GHz clocks
- A78 ARM CPUs. As shown above, IPC destroying Jaguar CPU and A78C which is the cluster for 8 cores is a special one for bigger L3 cache and better gaming performances. On top of these CPUs being optimized for AI.
- 12 GB vs 8GB.
- UFS 3.1 storage, a much more power efficient storage than SSD but similar speeds, ~2100MB/s read speed.
- New I/O from either Ampere or the rumoured decompression engine added in the chip.
- RT cores & ML tensor cores. ~100-125 TOPs with Tegra Orin's DLA. Which their "2050" doesn't have.
- Ada's gating backported (again from DF) which better optimizes the SMs for better occupancy.
Again, since you've been triggered with Nintendo switch rumours, I've been CONSTANT, Jan 7, Jan 9. I predicted 3TFlops in one, 3.2TFlops in another.
On top of avoiding stupid mistakes like PC handhelds like Asus Rog ally, chocking 8.6 TFlops with 102GB/s memory banwidth. Switch 2 has that bandwidth for 3.1TFlops. Feeding the usual Nvidia ampere 25GB/s TFLops & ~25GB/s remaining for CPU.
Handheld 1.7 TFlops * 25 + ~25GB/s for CPU = 67.5 GB/s → OH look, DF puts 68.26 GB/s
Handheld 3.1 TFlops * 25 + ~25GB/s for CPU = 102.5 GB/s → OH look! DF puts 102.4 GB/s
Oh look, we had this conversation!
And DF confirms exactly the design.
If you could actually have better reading comprehension than my 6 years old daughter, we wouldn't have this fucking groundhog day over and over
Speaking of which, I'm not sure if there's anyone currently working (to a significant degree) on any Switch emulator*, but I'd be ready to bet that updating the old ones to support Switch 2 software is not going to be too challenging.Yuzu 2 please
TLDR: Summary
Handheld: Awesome
Docked: Fucking Awesome
What am I even reading here? Steam Deck is basically the closest thing to exactly what you're describing that exists, with a custom APU that balances power consumption with actual hardware power and Linux/SteamOS to actually optimize the drivers better than Windows ever could. There's quite a few games on SteamOS with proton that actually run better than they do on windows, the translation layer doesn't actually hamper performance like you're acting like it does.Yup. Everything here is on par with many existing mobile tech.
Steam Deck's Van Gogh is much better balanced, Valve did a nice job. But again, you're on the usual bloated windows OS, games made for windows general hardware and API, then transferred to a translation layer on Proton to run....
Had these PC handhelds been closed systems like consoles, metal API like Nvidia's NVN (look what it got switch to do), they would be punching above their weights. Just like trying to build a PC matching the PS4 specs in 2013 would have aged like milk trying to play the later games made for it.
We've never had Nvidia Ampere unchained from PC OS/driver bloat or anywhere close to the metal as their inhouse API. (forget DirectX lol).
Could Sony & Microsoft come in with a way more powerful handheld? Easily.
Nintendo's been sitting on this SoC since 2022 according to Nvidia leaks. But it is what it is, the data for Switch 2 is like that. Anyone complaining having a PS4 handheld with modern console I/O and GPU architecture from Ampere, well I don't know what to tell ya. Did peoples want an handheld PS5? Ain't happening. The low power memory doesn't exist for that yet.
Nintendo can't even push this hardware even if they wanted. The order 1886, Uncharted 4, The Last of Us part 2, Horizon Forbidden west, all on PS4. They have one thing in common, Sony studios.
A good 3rd party at optimization might start to push the tech. I think ID with Doom Dark ages would do something really fucking nice. Asobo are also Wizards.
It'll benefit a LOT from the crossgen we've had so far. As this thread also guesses. Bring in better I/O for streaming data and you expand it even further.
And here I was expecting a portable PS5 for $450. It's only a better PS4? Fuck Nintendo!
What am I even reading here? Steam Deck is basically the closest thing to exactly what you're describing that exists, with a custom APU that balances power consumption with actual hardware power and Linux/SteamOS to actually optimize the drivers better than Windows ever could. There's quite a few games on SteamOS with proton that actually run better than they do on windows, the translation layer doesn't actually hamper performance like you're acting like it does.
The answer is yes, Sony and Microsoft could develop a way more powerful handheld, but there is no way it wouldn't also be SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive. Nintendo isn't deliberately picking weak mobile hardware, they're picking the most cost-effective mobile hardware available. If someone shopped out Nvidia's SoC into a handheld and used a more powerful/newer chip, I can guarantee you that shit is not coming in under $1,000. They're notoriously fucking difficult as sin to work with (see: OG Xbox and PS3 GPUs), there's no way they would go even remotely cheap or affordable.
powerfuls enough to run flights sim 2024 and new aaa games i smell fear ahah
Lol thats exactly what ive kinda been comparing it to when people were hyping it up. I've been saying this for awhile now. People were expecting a mobile part to offer desktop performanceWoof
Even an RTX 2060, which is 6 years old, had better performance than a RTX 3050.
Aawww so cute
Again the tech illiterate thinks he understand anything from that video
Literally the leak from a week ago for GPU you dum dum
@ 561 MHz the 1.72 teraflops is higher than steam deck and with architecture difference much better than PS4 base's 1.84TFlops because it can't even do raster and compute concurrently.
Nothing changes since. Nothing from any speculations so far has changed from the 2022 leaks. Everything I said in that thread still holds and DF just reinforces the data we already know on the architecture.
AMD A9-9820 - Xbox One APU - Jaguar @2.35GHz - 294
IPC interpolation means
PS4 - Jaguar @1.6GHz - 200
PS4 Pro - Jaguar @ 2.13GHz = 266
A 3GHz A78 single core performance
Mediatek Dimensity 1200 - A78 @3GHz - 975
Switch 2 A78 @ 1GHz = 325
It would have to downclock to 615 MHz to match Jaguar PS4's 1.6GHz score. for single instructions per clock
You're telling me that the rumoured clock from DF at ~1GHz will make its IPC 1.63x better CPU than Jaguar in PS4 base and 1.22x PS4 Pro's jaguar clocks?
I'm sorry you don't understand these things James
Still the same thing as 2022. Like Zacfoldor said, this is fucking groundhog day
~PS4 base TFlops in HANDHELD with much better modern features
~3.1 TFlops as per DF's docked 1GHz clocks
- A78 ARM CPUs. As shown above, IPC destroying Jaguar CPU and A78C which is the cluster for 8 cores is a special one for bigger L3 cache and better gaming performances. On top of these CPUs being optimized for AI.
- 12 GB vs 8GB.
- UFS 3.1 storage, a much more power efficient storage than SSD but similar speeds, ~2100MB/s read speed.
- New I/O from either Ampere or the rumoured decompression engine added in the chip.
- RT cores & ML tensor cores. ~100-125 TOPs with Tegra Orin's DLA. Which their "2050" doesn't have.
- Ada's gating backported (again from DF) which better optimizes the SMs for better occupancy.
Again, since you've been triggered with Nintendo switch rumours, I've been CONSTANT, Jan 7, Jan 9. I predicted 3TFlops in one, 3.2TFlops in another.
On top of avoiding stupid mistakes like PC handhelds like Asus Rog ally, chocking 8.6 TFlops with 102GB/s memory banwidth. Switch 2 has that bandwidth for 3.1TFlops. Feeding the usual Nvidia ampere 25GB/s TFLops & ~25GB/s remaining for CPU.
Handheld 1.7 TFlops * 25 + ~25GB/s for CPU = 67.5 GB/s → OH look, DF puts 68.26 GB/s
Handheld 3.1 TFlops * 25 + ~25GB/s for CPU = 102.5 GB/s → OH look! DF puts 102.4 GB/s
You want more examples of Ampere ~25GB/s per TFlops? Its really basic knowledge
3060 @ 12.74 TFlops for 360 GB/s → 28.25 GB/s/TFlops
3070 @ 20.31 TFlops for 448 GB/s → 22.1 GB/s/TFlops
3080 @ 29.77 TFlops for 760 GB/s → 25.5 GB/s/TFlops
3090 @ 35.58 TFlops for 936 GB/s → 26.3 GB/s/TFlops
wow
Oh look, we had this conversation!
And DF confirms exactly the design.
If you could actually have better reading comprehension than my 6 years old daughter, we wouldn't have this fucking groundhog day over and over
TLDR: Summary
Handheld: Awesome
Docked: Fucking Awesome
Can't wait for your illiteracy to be on full display once the specs are revealed
The specs you called me over in this thread from DF that validates everything I SAID?
Or you just moved the goalpost now like USUAL and that DF is wrong and it will perform worse than Steam Deck?
Like for real?
So DF is wrong when it's 8nm
But now they are right?
Which DF are you talking about, broseph?
I keep hearing that it's 5nm from other sources.
Nintendo Switch 2 PCB Leak Reveals an NVIDIA Tegra T239 Chip Optically Shrunk to 5nm
Nintendo Switch 2 promises to be this year's big (well small) gaming platform launch. It goes up against a growing ecosystem of handhelds based on x86-64 mobile processors running Windows, its main play would have to be offering a similar or better gameplay experience, but with better battery...www.techpowerup.com
There's no use in arguing with people who are just going to console fanboy HURDUR SWITCH 2 BAD LOL.Aawww so cute
Again the tech illiterate thinks he understand anything from that video
Literally the leak from a week ago for GPU you dum dum
@ 561 MHz the 1.72 teraflops is higher than steam deck and with architecture difference much better than PS4 base's 1.84TFlops because it can't even do raster and compute concurrently.
Nothing changes since. Nothing from any speculations so far has changed from the 2022 leaks. Everything I said in that thread still holds and DF just reinforces the data we already know on the architecture.
AMD A9-9820 - Xbox One APU - Jaguar @2.35GHz - 294
IPC interpolation means
PS4 - Jaguar @1.6GHz - 200
PS4 Pro - Jaguar @ 2.13GHz = 266
A 3GHz A78 single core performance
Mediatek Dimensity 1200 - A78 @3GHz - 975
Switch 2 A78 @ 1GHz = 325
It would have to downclock to 615 MHz to match Jaguar PS4's 1.6GHz score. for single instructions per clock
You're telling me that the rumoured clock from DF at ~1GHz will make its IPC 1.63x better CPU than Jaguar in PS4 base and 1.22x PS4 Pro's jaguar clocks?
I'm sorry you don't understand these things James
Still the same thing as 2022. Like Zacfoldor said, this is fucking groundhog day
~PS4 base TFlops in HANDHELD with much better modern features
~3.1 TFlops as per DF's docked 1GHz clocks
- A78 ARM CPUs. As shown above, IPC destroying Jaguar CPU and A78C which is the cluster for 8 cores is a special one for bigger L3 cache and better gaming performances. On top of these CPUs being optimized for AI.
- 12 GB vs 8GB.
- UFS 3.1 storage, a much more power efficient storage than SSD but similar speeds, ~2100MB/s read speed.
- New I/O from either Ampere or the rumoured decompression engine added in the chip.
- RT cores & ML tensor cores. ~100-125 TOPs with Tegra Orin's DLA. Which their "2050" doesn't have.
- Ada's gating backported (again from DF) which better optimizes the SMs for better occupancy.
Again, since you've been triggered with Nintendo switch rumours, I've been CONSTANT, Jan 7, Jan 9. I predicted 3TFlops in one, 3.2TFlops in another.
On top of avoiding stupid mistakes like PC handhelds like Asus Rog ally, chocking 8.6 TFlops with 102GB/s memory banwidth. Switch 2 has that bandwidth for 3.1TFlops. Feeding the usual Nvidia ampere 25GB/s TFLops & ~25GB/s remaining for CPU.
Handheld 1.7 TFlops * 25 + ~25GB/s for CPU = 67.5 GB/s → OH look, DF puts 68.26 GB/s
Handheld 3.1 TFlops * 25 + ~25GB/s for CPU = 102.5 GB/s → OH look! DF puts 102.4 GB/s
You want more examples of Ampere ~25GB/s per TFlops? Its really basic knowledge
3060 @ 12.74 TFlops for 360 GB/s → 28.25 GB/s/TFlops
3070 @ 20.31 TFlops for 448 GB/s → 22.1 GB/s/TFlops
3080 @ 29.77 TFlops for 760 GB/s → 25.5 GB/s/TFlops
3090 @ 35.58 TFlops for 936 GB/s → 26.3 GB/s/TFlops
wow
Oh look, we had this conversation!
And DF confirms exactly the design.
If you could actually have better reading comprehension than my 6 years old daughter, we wouldn't have this fucking groundhog day over and over
I keep hearing that it's 5nm from other sources.
Nintendo Switch 2 PCB Leak Reveals an NVIDIA Tegra T239 Chip Optically Shrunk to 5nm
Nintendo Switch 2 promises to be this year's big (well small) gaming platform launch. It goes up against a growing ecosystem of handhelds based on x86-64 mobile processors running Windows, its main play would have to be offering a similar or better gameplay experience, but with better battery...www.techpowerup.com
It's possible. DF has been wrong on nodes before. That's why they aren't really all that trustworthy.
Can't wait for the benchmark comparisons on this thing.
It's not a monster
Be ready for that Elden Ring comparison, James.
Is it supposed to look and run better than it does on Xbox Series S? I am not counting on it.
Vs PS4 Pro.