Yeah, I'll play something similar but I always want at least 2 Dismembers/Snags/Truths in the main.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT13| Ixalan - Port to Sideboard
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Yeah, I'll play something similar but I always want at least 2 Dismembers/Snags/Truths in the main.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I've never played truths in the main but def either dismember or snag or a mixture.
GoutPatrol
Forgotten in his cell
They would never reprint Cursecatcher with Siren Stormtamer already in standard.
divisionbyzorro
Member
charlequin
Banned
SaffronOlive: "Let's talk about the future of standard!"
*5,000 words whining about energy*
*5,000 words whining about energy*
MaRo's Monday Article
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/odds-ends-ixalan-part-2-2017-10-16
Will there be more flip cards in Rivals?
Were dinosaurs ever designed as vehicles?
And next week we are getting the article on the big R&D change he has been hinting at for the last few months
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/odds-ends-ixalan-part-2-2017-10-16
Will there be more flip cards in Rivals?
Were dinosaurs ever designed as vehicles?
And next week we are getting the article on the big R&D change he has been hinting at for the last few months
charlequin
Banned
Always hilarious to watch Maro (reasonably, but tragically) stand athwart the inevitable habit of referring to DFCs as "flip cards."
It is an interesting argument though. I personally had always like the idea that one block could stand on its own and be competitive. Not everyone plays in every block, so being able to have a viable deck after rotation is sweet. Others obviously feels differently and would rather have new blocks completely warp decks, but I think that would happen even if you push each block mechanics.
charlequin
Banned
Oh, it is. I'm kind of sour on SaffronOlive's big-picture articles lately because he's been much more obvious with his axe-grinding. Before this it was the MTG Arena articles with his ludicrous Thanks Obama take on building decks Hearthstone ("how does anyone figure this out?!?! it's so complicated and expensive?!??!") that he leveraged into some pretty bad-faith arguments about what Arena would be like for players; now it's hammering on energy as a whole after a few Twitter conversations where people pointed out what kinds of cards were problematic. In both cases I'm interested in debate on the topic but wish the person with a big platform driving it wasn't starting from such a questionable place.
In this particular article, he's definitely correct about the challenges of the single-set model, and he does a pretty good job of identifying some of the risks, but it's funny to me that he basically just winds up reasoning himself to the same place WotC did (i.e. "if we do a core set it can be the place we put stuff to help smooth out this model.")
GregLombardi
Member
Let's say I played Arena extensively at Hascon, I would also say that, in general, MTG Arena is a dream for players of magic, especially those that are not 20+ year veterans.
It's a lot of fun and has great effects. That's the most you can ask of a magic digital platform.
It's a lot of fun and has great effects. That's the most you can ask of a magic digital platform.
SO has been getting really ranty lately. Probably suffering from some burnout. On twitter last week he seemed offended by PVDDR's article where he was suggesting improvements to 4-1 decks.
And then was questioning if maybe CFB could be feeding decklists to their team ahead of GPs.
Dude probably should take a break.
And then was questioning if maybe CFB could be feeding decklists to their team ahead of GPs.
Dude probably should take a break.
jakonovski
Member
He's not wrong!
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Energy scales way too well. Let's not have murder in standard but red gets doom blade
charlequin
Banned
Yeah, this is basically my position. He's crabby about a lot of stuff and drawing what I would call inaccurate conclusions about it.
He's kind of wrong. kirblar and I both talked about it in this thread -- the fundamental problem with energy as executed in Kaladesh is that there's a bunch of cards that let you turn any arbitrary amount of energy into damage in one shot, either by power-boosting or adding counters or making tokens. You put a bunch of these in a deck (like, say, the one energy deck everyone plays in Standard) and now the balance is narrowly hinged on exactly how reasonable the energy sources are.
On the other hand, if you execute the mechanic in a way where every energy ability has another cost (a tap, mana, a sacrifice, or only being usable once a turn due to something like an attack trigger) then managing energy becomes an interesting minigame without dominating the same way.
It's kind of novel to have red be the color that makes black's removal look like shit for once, though!
Harnessed Lightning is something that could easily be better designed by not being uncapped. Just off the top of my head: {R}, add {E}, then deal 2 damage or pay {E}{E} to deal 4 damage.
I don't see why one rules out the other.
Almost no chance, but I'd wait just in case, the announcement is in less than 24 hours.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
if anything in standard were to be banned it'd either be Scarab God or Attune with Aether. I wouldn't expect either.
It's time to unban SFM though.
It's time to unban SFM though.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I don't think it's gona be banned either but it can be pretty darn oppressive.
Right now energy has moved into either being RUG or BUG but it can easily combine into 4c Energy again if an optimal build is found.
Even then you can be sure every deck builder asks themselves the question of can they beat Scarab God if it resolves and construct their sideboards accordingly.
Right now energy has moved into either being RUG or BUG but it can easily combine into 4c Energy again if an optimal build is found.
Even then you can be sure every deck builder asks themselves the question of can they beat Scarab God if it resolves and construct their sideboards accordingly.
And then wait several days after that, for "data."
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Scarab God being stupid pushed but also having a mechanic that's kind of like Eternalize but actually isn't is insanely dumb when Fatal Push is in the format.
Like someone should have gotten demoted for that shit.
It's not banned in standard. I asked Aaron Forsythe about this on twitter once - a card is unbanned automatically when it rotates so if they were to reprint it it wouldn't be banned lol
Energy would be an okay mechanic if it weren't for the fact that energy is largely trivial to produce. As it is, I think it's a very stupid mechanic and it was even stupider when the payoff was as ridiculous as when Marvel was legal.
Like someone should have gotten demoted for that shit.
Yes, they should unban SFM in standard
It's not banned in standard. I asked Aaron Forsythe about this on twitter once - a card is unbanned automatically when it rotates so if they were to reprint it it wouldn't be banned lol
Energy would be an okay mechanic if it weren't for the fact that energy is largely trivial to produce. As it is, I think it's a very stupid mechanic and it was even stupider when the payoff was as ridiculous as when Marvel was legal.
divisionbyzorro
Member
If you're going to make a mechanic like Energy, go big or go home. Obviously they should strive for proper balance, but I'd rather them err on the side of "Energy is too good" than the side of "what a forgettable mechanic and a waste of space."
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
check the revision date
Well there you have it . jpg
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Y'all take everything too serious, no one at wotc thought it necessary to update this list even though it has been pointed out to them.
If you're looking for an official banlist for standard these are all still listed as banned.
If you're looking for an official banlist for standard these are all still listed as banned.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
why are you arguing everyone else is being too serious when you're attempting to argue that emrakul is still banned when it's not even legal
they're not gonna update the list because why would they do that
they're not gonna update the list because why would they do that
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Because I wasn't seriously arguing that Emrakul is still banned, that's asinine. When banned cards rotate that should absolutely be reflected on the official banlist. It takes no effort while ensuring no one gets confused when checking out the banlist on the offical website all things magic the gathering.
Yeah, props for Scarab God not making me think "What the hell was WotC smoking" when I look at it.
Biggest regret I have about the Scarab God is that the other two grixis gods can't compare with it. I was so hyped for Scorpion when I first saw it, and now I'm pretty sure a normal Scarab God costs more than a Scorpion Invocation.
To be fair I knew you were joking, because who seriously believes SFM should be unbanned?
Joe Molotov
Member
The Scarab God getting banned out of nowhere while it's at $45 would be pretty shitty.
GregLombardi
Member
Scarab god is nowhere near the sickness that aetherworks marvel and cat combo were.
It's not even a consideration in my mind, and I doubt it is one in theirs either.
It's not even a consideration in my mind, and I doubt it is one in theirs either.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'd put it more on the Emrakul Tier, which got banned in Marvel's stead. Where you ask yourself what happend, you were winning but then they played that one creature and none of it mattered.
GregLombardi
Member
A fair point. I would put it a notch or two below emrakul though...that said I haven't played against it a ton. And even Emrakul, without Marvel, I was on the fence as to whether that should have been banned. Marvel felt like more of a problem to me than Emrakul, and still does.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Agreed, Scarab God is easier to answer both when cast and resolved and also that Emrakul ban is one of the more questionable bans.
Carnage tyrant turn 4? Gross
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Yes, cards resolve in the order the text is written as a result Rampaging Ferocidon is dead when you are about to gain life.
Maybe post a link?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
jakonovski
Member
I was all excited about Sorcerous Spyglass but then I realized that Hostage Taker can take artifacts as hostage. What were they smoking.