If you are talking about Tales of Graces, that seems to be by Team Destiny, which is actually the one of the two teams filled with veterans (and their games have been of consistently higher quality than Symphonia's, they just didn't get released in the West). Not that it really matters since at Tales Studio most staff besides rather few leads is shared.ShockingAlberto said:
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Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Olaeh said:
what AAA games did microsoft or sony "fork over for" this gen?
particularly about dragon quest 10, the one thing can be concluded since its announcement is that, at the very least, nintendo will try to keep the Wii "as is" relevant in the market for the next 3 or 4 years after the Iwata's DQ10 exclusivity announcement.
Enix is very strict with their rule " DQ on the biggest console ". If the game was to appear on Wii's next iteration, first it would have to show it's the superior console in sales and popularity, which would take another 2 or 3 years at least.
One sure thing is that DQ10 will appear on Wii an nowhere else.
andwhat the fuck is wrong with DQ9???? does it have a release date already?this is a worse delayathon than twilight princess.
Enix is very strict with their rule " DQ on the biggest console ". If the game was to appear on Wii's next iteration, first it would have to show it's the superior console in sales and popularity, which would take another 2 or 3 years at least.
One sure thing is that DQ10 will appear on Wii an nowhere else.
andwhat the fuck is wrong with DQ9???? does it have a release date already?this is a worse delayathon than twilight princess.
Stumpokapow said:
None. But thats not the point. Third parties want to develop for those systems and want them to become successful. Even the smallest incentive could have sealed the deal for a lot of the Microsoft or Sony exclusives. I doubt Nintendo would have had equal success with the same methods that Microsoft or Sony used. Do we even know what kind of talks there were behind closed doors?
test_account
XP-39C²
Ah yes, that is true, i agreeDeaconKnowledge said:
Again, this is false. Total Wii software sales are >2.5x total PS3 software sales. (2.95x, to be precise.)gantz85 said:
What you fail to take into consideration (intentionally or not) is that the amount of high profile third party releases on PS3 far outnumber the respective amount on Wii. Things will look different when Wii finally gets it's major third party games and I am pretty confident that DQX for example will be the best selling console third party game of the generation.gantz85 said:
Actually, in Japan the big PS3 games have generally done worse than their PS2 prequels.gantz85 said:
Btw, claiming to be completely objective and crying about "Wii zealots" and "hardcore craziness" when people disagree is stupid.
Nope. In the US, ~71% of Wii owners are also PS2 owners. (The Japanese number is probably lower, but I don't think it's radically so.) And since the Wii owners include Nintendo's core fanbase in addition to the PS2 casuals, the overlap among just the casuals is likely even larger.Flying_Phoenix said:
Datschge said:
I don't know if this is a bannable site or not but I was reading it on **********:
http://**********.com/v31/viewstory.php?id=83756
but here's where they got it from:
http://www.ps3center.net/news/3055/study-says-japanese-ps3-owners-are-graphics-whores/
->gantz85 said:
When you start with the assertion "All things considered you will expect 2.5x the software sales performance", one would expect that you'd also mention what the actual overall ratio is somewhere in that paragraph as well. That's all I'm saying.gantz85 said:
So it has, but I mentioned it anyway since I want to underline that if you aspire to be objective as you claimed you really should've mentioned it in the first analysis.gantz85 said:
You posted more 'fanboy wars' comments in this discussion than anyone else. Were they just sarcasm?gantz85 said:
If anyone is surprised that PS3 > Wii for third-parties in Japan, they haven't been paying attention to the third-party console landscape in Japan. What is somewhat surprising is that even though the PS3 just had the run it did of third-party games, that it only leads by ~1.4 million (7.5 vs. 6.1 in my database). Prior to February it was PS3 > Wii at 6.1 to 5.5, so the string of third-party games it just had increased its lead by ~0.8 million. I'm sure some of that Wii closeness is due to the greater number of third-party games, though.
...which again got it from http://release.nikkei.co.jp/detail.cfm?relID=220867&lindID=1 which shows 23 percent values instead the selected 9 by ps3center. Someone able to give a non-machine translated summary of that article?RyuKanSan said:
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Just ragging on the GameCube's lack of success even with some fairly big third party names. Given that, I'm not surprised that Nintendo and/or major third parties didn't find it a strategy worth immediately repeating, especially when the latter perceived Nintendo to be in an even weaker position than before. There wasn't going to be a Miyamoto-Kojima handshake promising MGS1-3 remakes and exclusive 0 and 4. Going for the equivalent of what Tales of Symphonia was to GCN would be more difficult, with the returns from a year-late port to a more successful platform not seeming so great if it's going to look uglier than everything else there. If I'm an Atlus I wouldn't want to risk going from being a second-tier publisher to being a second-tier publisher on a distant-second platform. Sooo they went the route of going heavy on first party in hopes that they could smash that 4 million barrier in Japan and that 22 million barrier worldwide. And if not, at least they wouldn't be bleeding.BishopLamont said:
it's doubly-interesting considering the dearth of interesting rpgs on the platform. one would imagine that reminding people that dq is coming would allow some smaller rpgs to do quite well. Stephen Totilo came to similar conclusions re: rpgs with his "time played" analysis from data in the Nintendo Channel.RyuKanSan said:
square enix has done a fair bit of rpgish stuff on wiiware, but getting on the wii bandwagon late with full-sized rpgs is going to cost you even more time than most genres given the dev resources typically required.
it kind-of looks like the crystal bearers is going to be a game of significant scope now.
that's 89%...
umm... weather channel? youtube videos?
JoshuaJSlone said:
The time to do more deals with third parties was about the time when they got MH3 (mid-late 07, games announced by now and with a mid-late 09 release).
They had the cash and the console was selling at a record level.
So yes, I'm surprised about their supposed incompetency on this matter.
TheKingsCrown
Banned
I'm sorry, DQIX has been delayed again? :lol
i suppose. you also don't stereotypically get a ps3 for your kids. everyone surveyed is between 10 and 40, so it's not like they canvassed a care home that'll really skew the distribution.Datschge said:
it'd be interesting to see the std deviation, which is surely much higher for wii. i wonder if the vc is bringing lapsed gamers back in any numbers.
yeah... sort-of. also one could make extrapolations based on what you see on store shelves.
Eteric Rice
Member
birdchili said:
Nintendo really makes games that sort of fall in between. They don't make bloody games, but they don't really make characters that are tailored just for "kids." I think the composer for Super Mario Galaxy said something like this. I remember him saying that after Nintendo pretty much told him that the score he made sucked, he asked the older composer what he should do. He said something like, "The music shouldn't be cute for little kids, it should be "cool."
Or something like that.
My point is that Nintendo's characters fall in between. You can be an adult, or a kid and enjoy the game. They had a few characters from back in the Playstation days like this (Crash Bandicoot, Croc, Spyro). Now adays we have Ratchet & Clank, which fall into this category.
Unfortunately, I don't think many third parties quite understand that they need to make their characters attractive to kids, but non-offensive and cool to adults. Kids and adults alike play R&C.
Think Shrek. Kids and adults love the shit out of that movie.
bmf said:The image I have in my mind is of Nintendo having a branch that sends out energetic young men to hang out outside Capcom, Konami, Namco, and Squeenix HQs to hijack executives and buy hookers for them.
Everything is going to Keikaku.
Buy them hookers? Fuck that, Nintendo could just send them to some of their love hotels.
BishopLamont
Banned
Think he meant from the last date we knew (end of last yr?) to the new one we have now.donny2112 said:
Olaeh said:
Yep, and Crystal Bearers should do fairly well on top of that. Third party support looks very solid in the future and will just get better.
In general, I don't agree at all with the premise of the last few pages of the thread.
They couldn't moneyhat FF13/MGS4/RE5/DMC4 because those games were announced for the HD consoles years and years ago. Pretty much everything else has little sales impact in Japan.
They couldn't show motion controls to all the third parties ages ago since Sony/Microsoft would have copied it even earlier.
There were actually some pretty extensive information on this issue in Nintendo's FY09 briefing.birdchili said:
If you follow the link you'll find data for the DS and the US market as well.
shykyoichi
Member
Nice generalization.Vinci said:
01. [NDS] Sloan to Michael: Nazo no Monogatari (Level 5) - 59000
02. [NDS] Pro Yakyuu Team o Tsukurou! 2 (Lets Make a Pro Baseball Team 2) (SEGA) - 47000
03. [360] Mass Effect (Microsoft) - 18000
04. [NDS] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky (Pokemon) - 15000
05. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G, PSP the Best (Capcom) - 14000 / 727000
06. [PSP] Bleach: Heat the Soul 6 (SCE) - 14000 / 55000
07. [NDS] WarioWare Myself! (Nintendo) - 13000 / 146000
08. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) - 12000 / 3376000
09. [NDS] Mario & Luigi RPG 3!!! (Nintendo) 9800 / 615000
10. [NDS] Dragon Ball Kai: Saiyajin Raishuu (Bandai Namco Games) - 9400 - 172000
02. [NDS] Pro Yakyuu Team o Tsukurou! 2 (Lets Make a Pro Baseball Team 2) (SEGA) - 47000
03. [360] Mass Effect (Microsoft) - 18000
04. [NDS] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky (Pokemon) - 15000
05. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G, PSP the Best (Capcom) - 14000 / 727000
06. [PSP] Bleach: Heat the Soul 6 (SCE) - 14000 / 55000
07. [NDS] WarioWare Myself! (Nintendo) - 13000 / 146000
08. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) - 12000 / 3376000
09. [NDS] Mario & Luigi RPG 3!!! (Nintendo) 9800 / 615000
10. [NDS] Dragon Ball Kai: Saiyajin Raishuu (Bandai Namco Games) - 9400 - 172000
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Definitely a recession or just calm now that some games hit. I would expect a pickup once more crap comes out. Pretty lackluster overall.
Cosmonaut X
Member
-Kh- said:
Wii Sports Resort should hit in June...
Wii: 391,366markatisu said:
PS3: 464,073
http://garaph.info/piechartspan.php...009-05-24&group=ShortName&tracker=mc&size=0.5
link
Cosmonaut X
Member
Minsc said:
Well, perhaps, but that wasn't the question being asked. It is one of the most high-profile releases to hit the platform in the next month or so, and that's what the poster wanted to know about.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Hype +1toypop said:
