NintendosBooger
Member
Konami needs to stop trying to be like Capcom. They're not as talented across different spectrums of gaming. Stick to action and sports games, K.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Media Create Sales 7/16 - 7/22
- Thread starter Cheesemeister
- Start date
sebthelobster
Banned
jimbo said:
broken record.
super funk
Member
NintendosBooger said:
Yeah Konami should try and make a game series like Castlevania.
Rancid Mildew
Banned
That's why I get annoyed when arguing with you jimbo. I never said any of those things. Everyone just expects a shift in third party developer support that will lead to better games on the Wii and it's reasonable to expect that some of those games will be huge. I cannot name one person that argues as fanatically as you try to make me out to be.
And plus, you never responded to my statements. Can you disprove them? If you can't, then you should expect those answers and consider them as reasonable.
And plus, you never responded to my statements. Can you disprove them? If you can't, then you should expect those answers and consider them as reasonable.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Darji said:
You're trying to talk shit in a sales thread.
I find it utterly amusing that you think because a game by Konami (which by the way has ABSOLUTELY NO ADVERTISMENT) did poorly, that all games on Wii (specifically new IPs) are doomed.
Even though DQS is a spinoff of a major IP, it's a good indication of what good games with an advertising budget that can afford more than a cuppa can do.
2002 Famitsu Hardware Numberssphinx said:you have that data? post it! just for the fun.
GC
July 08-14 2002 - 8,242
July 15-21 2002 - 31,750 - Mario Sunshine - 280,610
July 22-28 2002 - 14,256 - Mario Sunshine - 102,576 / 383,186
PS3
July 16-22 2007 - 13,440
July 23-29 2007 - 38,000 - Minna no Golf 5 - 176,000
EDIT-
It is interesting both systems increased by ~24K, and it happened at roughly the same time, with GC being on the market for only a couple of months longer (Sept 01 launch).
Rancid Mildew said:
Because that's my whole point....you know the core games, aside from one or two nabbed exclusives, will continue to be developed for the next gen platforms. That's what this WHOLE argument is about: the lack of core games in the Wii's future line-up.
Oh you edited your post. Yes well I agree with that approach. Of course the Wii will benefit from increased third party support. That I agree with.
You edited again. Damnit quit doing that. Disprove what? That it's inevitable that the Wii will get the majority of third party support? Shouldn't you be the one proving that this WILL happen, while giving a less played out reason than...."it's just a matter of time"...which I forsee stil being used come 2008.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
donny2112 said:
^^
Mgoblue201
Won't stop picking the right nation
More good games equals better sales is usually the jist of the business. How often are these games going to come out though? I mean the GC had nice games, but it basically resulted in occasional sales bumps since the market ultimately had a console that better suited its needs in the PS2. The Wii is better suited for the way the Japanese market is trending. I mean it took a "casual" game in order to see a rise in sales. But the PS3 obviously tried to build itself on being a hardcore console, so you'll probably see much of the Japanese industry focus those casual oriented games on the Wii, especially when the well goes dry on the PS2. Like with the GC, those sales spikes eventually get smaller and smaller. If you're limited as a console, there's only so many people you can sell to, and there's only so many releases you can rely on before people start tuning out. It's weird that the PS3 might be the first console that has the main Final Fantasy series and doesn't get first place in Japan. It shows how dichotomous that market has really become with casual vs. hardcore.Elios83 said:It's amazing how a few Nintendo fans feel insecure even when Nintendo is leading the market with sales :lol
PS3 had a really nice bump this week which proves that with a continous flow of good titles (not just one every three months) and a price cut sales can really get to an other level.
Oh and Xbox360 sales getting bumped up to 4k units thanks to OBLIVION!! Sakaguchi what?
Rancid Mildew
Banned
jimbo said:
But it's reasonable to expect there to be plenty core games in the Wii's future. If it isn't already, it's going to become the only relevant home console in Japan all the way until the next major PS3 release which won't be this year. I fully expect that the development scene will change in the Wii's favor as a result of this. Is it wrong to?
I don't think I carry the burden of proof. I'm not claiming anything outside of the fact that the Wii situation will be improved dramatically as a result of its continued sales dominance in Japan. Based on existing statements from developers, sales trends and game releases in Japan, it's a perfectly reasonable conclusion to come to.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
>_< I hate that. Geimin has 14,258 for the week. Tiny unknowable inaccuracies like that bug me.ziran said:
Rancid Mildew
Banned
jimbo said:
I think it's pretty obvious that I am considering the alternative situations (PS3 price drops, unexpectedly amazing FFXIII sales performance, MGS4, HDTV penetration, misreading of the market by third parties) which is why I remain cautiously optimistic. I am sure the conservative position I hold is shared by the overwhelming majority of the posters on this board which is why I'm consistently confounded at the negative reactions expressed every time the position is iterated. I don't think anyone is claiming (any longer?) that the next GTA or RE is Wii-bound.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Rancid Mildew said:
But if it ever happens you can bet your ass we will have a 40+ page thread complaining about it.
Because I've seen this before. I know how it works, now, and I know now that what's happening now is absolutely fantastic for the industry.Darji said:
Do you understand just how much your complaints parallel mine circa '96 or so? The rise of Playstation meant that the games I adored were being watered down. FMV? Nonsense! It gets in the way of gameplay! Spyro is dumbed down, just look at Mario 64 for quality 3d platforming!
I grew up, eventually. Stopped being quite so narrow-minded, investigated what 'the enemy' was coming up with, and found new experiences and new takes on old experiences that I liked. Try it.
Nintendo generally doesn't talk much until a game is extremely close to release, except for progress reports. There's one recent exception, where they are giving a constant stream of information: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914 . And, y'know, there's quite a bit of discussion there.jimbo said:
It's a style of promotion thing.
LanceStern
Banned
Kafel said:
Please explain how 38k per week and a game selling 176k units in a week is poor, especially considering the recent sales of PS3?
Excellent sales for Nintend. I'm very pleased with how the Taiko game is doing, and very pleased with It's a Wonderful World sales: a very risky move by SquareEnix in the areas of new IP, new gameplay and new artstyle.
They took a big chance with the game, and it's paying dividends for them I believe
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
jimbo said:
Oh no, double team :lol
schuelma said:
Yes I know. But this also means, with the right combo of games the PS3 will sell in Japan. The sustain factor I believe comes from the price point and a lack of a constant release of titles, but price more than anything. All this shows is the Japanese are willing to buy the PS3 even at an expensive price, for the right games. At a cheap price, I expect the PS3 to take off.
Great Rumbler
Member
jimbo said:
And there's the problem.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
jimbo said:
Unfortunately, the same could have been said about the GameCube, minus the need for a lesser price. GC games did sell. While I enjoy my PS3 and I'd love to have more games for it (currently I have Oblivion and am in the market for Sigma and that... is it), there's no denying the reality that it is performing poorly and that the first year or two are crucial; without a large userbase, there will be less games for it.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
So how many of these parallels will have to be made before the "you can't compare the PS3 to the GC" arguments slowdown?ziran said:
jimbo said:
In my opinion:
Sony's biggest mistake with the PS3 was the lack of compelling software to go hand in hand with the hardware at launch.
Resistance was shadowed by Gears of war everywhere and a FPS, an o.k. shooter new IP wasn't enough to justify the price tag. PS3 should have launched with a duo of games directed towards different demographics: Little big Planet and Killzone 2 ( something more jaw dropping and more fun than resistance) near hardware launch would have written a whole different story. All I see is that sony failed to prepare themselves for the launch thinking that the brand name would carry the console the first years until the big games arrived. They'll learn the hard way.
Now the console's reputation has been tainted, the consumers are filled with FUD, console is perceived as not worthy, etc...
story is being written with every passing week.
sphinx said:
While you have a good argument, anything other than $599 is wrong for "Sony's biggest mistake with the PS3"
Edit: It's like this. I will buy a console for one or two games, knowing it will have better ones later, if I can afford it. But it doesn't matter what games it has if I just simply don't have the money. As in REALLY don't have the money. And there are a lot of people that just don't have the money.