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dolemite · Jan 5, 2010

SolidSnakex said:
All that should tell Sony is to never make Polyphony waste their time developing for the PSP again.

Or actually make a fully featured game with online and all.

SolidSnakex · Jan 5, 2010

dolemite said:
Or actually make a fully featured game with online and all.

It wouldn't do any good. GT fans didn't want GT PSP. GT on a handheld isn't GT. It's always going to be a gutted version of the real thing. So why would you want that over the real deal? Many genres make sense on handhelds, sim racers aren't one of them.

DangerousDave · Jan 5, 2010

Maybe for other car games is duable a portable version.

But GT is all feeling like in a real car, and with the most impressive graphics. None of these features can be accomplished in the PSP, so is a GT in the name, but not in the game (with or without career more). Is some kind of... GT Advance

apujanata · Jan 5, 2010

Allan Holdsworth said:
Uh... both DS Zelda have 2D gameplay (except the boat/train parts).

Well, it's not like that's what "Zelda in 2D" automatically implies.

PS: I want Four Swords Adventures 2.

I also want Four Swords Adventures 2. I have 4 DSL, 2 DS Fat, so I am good for 4 player FSA2. (I have 3 sons, and they have 1 DSL each).

Spiegel · Jan 5, 2010

Polyphony did not waste that much time developing GTP. The game was probably made with a small team in less than a year because downgrading GT4 assets and removing features (that's all they did) couldn't have taken them too long. Also, GTP has outsold GT5

in Japan at a higher pricepoint (4980 VS 5480). So considering the lazy effort, the game had to be profitable for Sony.

But I agree, Sony should never make Polyphony waste their time developing for the PSP again because they don't take the platform seriously and that will end damaging the GT brand (see western reviews of the game).

faridmon · Jan 5, 2010

Hero of Legend said:
My uncle played NSMBW at our local Toys R Us in Canada, lost a life at the 1st Goomba indeed. :lol

Your uncle is................. Cammie?

late but: wow healthy sales all around, well except for PSPGo. but hey no wnats DD after they have heavily invested in UMD games.

well too bad about ToG, perhaps Tales of games aren't suited on the Wii at all. Now its your time to ask for Suikoden, Nintendo, not Tales games.

Spiegel said:
Polyphony did not waste that much time developing GTP. The game was probably made with a small team in less than a year because downgrading GT4 assets and removing features (that's all they did) couldn't have taken them too long. Also, GTP has outsold GT5 in Japan at a higher pricepoint (4980 VS 5480). So considering the lazy effort, the game had to be profitable for Sony.

But I agree, Sony should never make Polyphony waste their time developing for the PSP again because they don't take the platform seriously and that will end damaging the GT brand (see western reviews of the game).

Waste thier time? i beg to differ; they may have released a less of a steller GT game, but probably they saw the 'revival' of PSP and tried to attract gamer for the system. waste thier time before the game shipped? no. they may regret it now, but i can see the reason why they made it.

donny2112 · Jan 5, 2010

charlequin said:
The last time Zelda did anything that drew anything like attention for being new and different was Wind Waker's graphical style, which was widely derided by the series' fanbase.

I don't know about anyone else, but I was willing to give the style a try when it was first revealed. My major problem with it was that Link winked at the camera at the end of the first trailer. Terrible idea, in my opinion. Breaking the fourth wall is not something I want Link to do. Thankfully, they didn't continue that idea into the final game.

bttb · Jan 5, 2010

Chris1964 · Jan 5, 2010

Famitsu data:

Code:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|    |     [NDS] NSMB    |[WII] Mario Galaxy |  [WII] NSMB Wii   |       difference      |
|    |     (25/05/06)    |    (01/11/07)     |     (03/12/09)    |                       |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |NSMBW-NSMB | NSMBW-SMG |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|  1 |  865.024|  865.024|  256.431|  256.431|  936.734|  936.734|     71.710|    680.393|
|  2 |  315.197|1.180.221|   78.439|  334.690|  464.824|1.401.558|    221.337|  1.066.868|
|  3 |  242.932|1.423.153|   43.317|  378.007|  570.000|1.972.000|    548.847|  1.593.993|
|  4 |  204.007|1.627.160|   37.484|  415.491|  513.000|2.485.150|    857.990|  2.069.659|
|  5 |  169.852|1.797.012|   36.354|  451.845|         |         |           |           |
|  6 |  153.047|1.950.009|   48.750|  500.595|         |         |           |           |
|  7 |  132.375|2.082.434|   70.541|  571.136|         |         |           |           |
|  8 |  120.220|2.202.654|  109.029|  680.165|         |         |           |           |
|  9 |  146.837|2.349.491|   67.519|  747.684|         |         |           |           |
| 10 |  114.471|2.463.962|   62.017|  809.701|         |         |           |           |
| 11 |  103.008|2.566.970|   17.617|  827.318|         |         |           |           |
| 12 |  119.991|2.686.961|   16.643|  843.961|         |         |           |           |
| 13 |  115.335|2.802.296|    9.056|  853.017|         |         |           |           |
| 14 |   66.336|2.868.632|    7.234|  860.251|         |         |           |           |
| 15 |   72.235|2.940.867|    6.344|  866.595|         |         |           |           |
| 16 |   51.643|2.992.510|    5.868|  872.463|         |         |           |           |
| 17 |   52.070|3.044.580|    4.357|  876.820|         |         |           |           |
| 18 |   54.595|3.099.175|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 19 |   51.541|3.150.716|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 20 |   37.678|3.188.394|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 21 |   39.915|3.228.309|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 22 |   30.564|3.258.873|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 23 |   33.482|3.292.355|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 24 |   31.940|3.324.295|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 25 |   26.939|3.351.234|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 26 |   23.777|3.375.011|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 27 |   32.086|3.407.097|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 28 |   28.132|3.435.229|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 29 |   45.298|3.480.527|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 30 |   72.194|3.552.721|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 31 |  185.021|3.737.742|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 32 |   80.472|3.818.214|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|Year|   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |NSMBW-NSMB | NSMBW-SMG |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|  1 |3.818.214|3.818.214|  747.684|  747.684|2.485.150|2.485.150| -1.333.064|  1.737.466|
|  2 |1.176.939|4.995.153|  197.442|  945.106|         |         |           |           |
|  3 |  377.034|5.372.187|   19.308|  964.414|         |         |           |           |
|  4 |  230.223|5.602.410|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
| LTD|        -|5.602.410|        -|  964.414|        -|2.485.150| -3.117.260|  1.520.736|
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

New Super Mario Bros. LTD is up to 13/12/09
Super Mario Galaxy LTD is up to 12/07/09

01. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - / 6.810.000
02. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 865.024 / 5.602.410
03. [NGB] Super Mario Land (Nintendo) - / 4.190.000
04. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. 3 (Nintendo) - / 3.840.000
05. [SFC] Super Mario World (Nintendo) - / 3.550.000
06. [NGB] Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins (Nintendo) - / 2.700.000
07. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo) - / 2.650.000
08. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 936.734 / 2.485.150
08. [SFC] Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (Nintendo) - / 1.770.000
09. [N64] Super Mario 64 (Nintendo) - 162.111 / 1.639.921
10. [NFC] Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - / 1.630.000
11. [NGB] Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land (Nintendo) - / 1.590.000
12. [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo) - 256.431 / 964.414
13. [GCN] Super Mario Sunshine (Nintendo) - 280.610 / 789.989

Chris1964 · Jan 5, 2010

We have some numbers for Famitsu top 10.

01. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 513.000 / 2.485.150
02. [NDS] The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (Nintendo)
03. [NDS] Friend Collection (Nintendo) - 247.000 / 2.311.948
04. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 181.724 / 1.698.256
05. [NDS] Pokemon Heart Gold / Soul Silver (Pokemon Co.) - 150.000 / 3.382.597
06. [WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo)
07. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Threat of the Invaders - Fire / Blizzard (Level 5)
08. [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo)
09. [WII] Taiko Drum Master Wii 2 (Namco Bandai)
10. [NDS] Professor Layton and the Flute of Malevolent Destiny (Level 5)

xx. [NDS] Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies (Square Enix) - / 4.100.968

DQIX sold 55.000 the last two weeks.

Kurosaki Ichigo · Jan 5, 2010

Chris1964 said:
We have some numbers for Famitsu top 10.

04. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 181.724 / 1.698.256

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
FF13 numbers if it had the same decline as...
FFX drop would be 202k
FFX-2 drop would be 187k
FFXII drop would be 179k

From last week, same legs as X and X-2 would make XIII reach 2m, XII legs wouldn't.

So, basically, its slipping like XII despite holidays extra push. Even if it held itself post-holidays and slips exactly like FFXII all the way (logic says post-holidays would make it slip even more than XII since right now its slipping like it), it won't do 2m, it'd do ~1.915.000. Its going to be somehow amazing if it manages to slip so much that the first week is >80% of the LTD (12 is 79.24%). Somehow amazing.

Kurosaki Ichigo · Jan 5, 2010

bttb said:
http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1230978_1124.html
Enterbrain/Famitsu

2008/12/29 ~ 2009/12/27

2009 Hardware Sales
NDS - 4,025,313 (29,160,589)
PSP - 2,307,971 (13,386,455)
Wii - 1,975,178 (9,501,999)
PS3 - 1,727,041 (4,391,407)
360 - 331,706 (1,197,873)

We can get hardware figures (Famitsu 12/21-12/27) from that using sinobi figures for the previous week (rounded all but PS3 which is the only Famitsu gave):

DS* - ~262,000
WII - ~246,000
PS3 - 125,438
PSP* - ~112,000
360 - ~7,200

* - combining every model

Nirolak · Jan 5, 2010

bttb said:
2009 Market Size
SW Value = 326.16 bln yen (-1.8% YoY)

So, considering everything that released last year, do we think that this will go up next year, stay flat, or go down?

I'm kind of getting the feeling we'll be seeing around a 4-5% drop next year, assuming we still see a few rather impressive titles pop up that aren't announced yet, just because of the scale of what was released in 2009 and the fact that software sales still went down.

---

Also, it seems we most likely have another Gundam game coming out this quarter. No clue as to the platform(s):

Siliconera said:
Just last month, Namco Bandai published a Mobile Suit Gundam game for PSP and they already have another Gundam game on their plate.

Gundam Assault Survive, which Amazon Japan has in their database, might be the next portable Gundam title. The retail listing is the only mention of Gundam Assault Survive since it hasnt been officially announced. However, the game may be coming soon. Amazons listing says Gundam Assault Survive is slated for release on March 18.

Update: Looks like this is going down. On top of the Amazon listing we searched the Japanese trademark database and discovered Namco Bandai registered the rights to Assault Survive.

Source: http://www.siliconera.com/2010/01/04/namco-bandai-serving-up-gundam-assault-survive/

Kurosaki Ichigo · Jan 5, 2010

Nirolak said:
Also, it seems we most likely have another Gundam game coming out this quarter. No clue as to the platform(s)

Mentioned it yesterday, its for PSP. There's more info now though:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/01/05/psp_gundam_detailed/

Amazon leaked the title and release date for a new PSP Gundam game yesterday. Geo E Shop came through with specifics today.

According to a listing at the online retailer, Gundam Assault Survive is a new Gundam series from the developers of the Gundam Battle series of titles which has thus far seen four entries on PSP. Players assemble a squad of three Mobile Suits and work through a real time map.

Gundam units number over 300, spanning from the Seed series to OO. In addition to 100 characters from the series, you'll be able to create your very own original pilot.

As detailed in the original Amazon listing, Gundam Assault Survive will see release on March 18.

It was a bit fishy we didn't have the 5th Gundam Battle Something already, this is why.

Also, another retailer slipped Gran Turismo 5 date.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/01/05/gt5_date/

Geo E-Shop started pre-orders for the game today. The shop's listing flags the game with a March 25 date.

The Geo E-Shop listing has a small description of GT5, promising over 950 cars, courses numbering over 20 locations and 70 variations, vehicle damage, and the ability to carry over data from the PSP.

God of War III also 3/25 with a Trilogy pack releasing that day too (GOW3 + PS3 compilation of 1&2).

Nirolak · Jan 5, 2010

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Mentioned it yesterday, its for PSP. There's more info now though:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/01/05/psp_gundam_detailed/

It was a bit fishy we didn't have the 5th Gundam Battle Something already, this is why.

Also, another retailer slipped Gran Turismo 5 date.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/01/05/gt5_date/

God of War III also 3/25 with a Trilogy pack releasing that day too (GOW3 + PS3 compilation of 1&2).

Whoops my bad.

Thanks for the info.

Captain Smoker · Jan 5, 2010

bttb said:
http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1230978_1124.html
Enterbrain/Famitsu

2008/12/29 ~ 2009/12/27

2009 Market Size
HW Value = 216.49 bln yen (-13.6% YoY)
SW Value = 326.16 bln yen (-1.8% YoY)
Total Value = 542.64 bln yen (-6.9% YoY)

2009 Hardware Sales
NDS - 4,025,313 (29,160,589)
PSP - 2,307,971 (13,386,455)
Wii - 1,975,178 (9,501,999)
PS3 - 1,727,041 (4,391,407)
360 - 331,706 (1,197,873)

2009 Software Top 5
1. [NDS] Dragon Quest IX - 4,100,968
2. [NDS] Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver - 3,382,597
3. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 2,485,150
4. [NDS] Friend Collection - 2,311,948
5. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIII - 1,698,256

test_account · Jan 5, 2010

Jokeropia said:
With next week's sales, Wii will end up closer to PSP in yearly totals than PS3 will to Wii. How likely did that seem a few months (or even a month) ago?

It didnt seem likely indeed

I like when unexpected things like this happends with sales. Also with the PS3, who thought in the begining of 2009 that it would be a serious question if the PS3 could actually sell more than the Wii in 2009 (YTD, not LTD). I hope that we will see more unexpected things like these things in 2010 as well, since it makes things more exciting, in my opinion at least

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
So, basically, its slipping like XII despite holidays extra push. Even if it held itself post-holidays and slips exactly like FFXII all the way (logic says post-holidays would make it slip even more than XII since right now its slipping like it), it won't do 2m, it'd do ~1.915.000. Its going to be somehow amazing if it manages to slip so much that the first week is >80% of the LTD (12 is 79.24%). Somehow amazing.

I wonder how much FFXIII sales were affected being released in the holidays, or if FFXIII would have sold basicly the same no matter what time of the year it had been released. I am sure that FFXIII being released in the holidays is something positive regarding sales though, and maybe several of people bought FFXIII as a gift to people since it was released in the holidays, but i wonder how much FFXIII would have sold in comparison if it had been released when the PS3 Slim was released or for example in March 2010 instead. Unfortunately we wont know the answer for sure, but i think that it is an interesting question at least

Chris1964 · Jan 5, 2010

Final Fantasy first 3 weeks

[PS1] Final Fantasy VII (Square) - 2.034.879 / 2.034.879
[PS1] Final Fantasy VII (Square) - 329.740 / 2.364.619
[PS1] Final Fantasy VII (Square) - 167.865 / 2.532.484

[PS1] Final Fantasy VIII (Square) - 2.504.044 / 2.504.044
[PS1] Final Fantasy VIII (Square) - 270.993 / 2.775.037
[PS1] Final Fantasy VIII (Square) - 205.779 / 2.980.816

[PS1] Final Fantasy IX (Square) - 1.954.421 / 1.954.421
[PS1] Final Fantasy IX (Square) - 328.404 / 2.282.826
[PS1] Final Fantasy IX (Square) - 123.827 / 2.406.653

[PS2] Final Fantasy X (Square) - 1.749.737 / 1.749.737
[PS2] Final Fantasy X (Square) - 233.429 / 1.983.166
[PS2] Final Fantasy X (Square) - 85.703 / 2.068.868

[PS2] Final Fantasy X-2 (Square Enix) - 1.472.914 / 1.472.914
[PS2] Final Fantasy X-2 (Square Enix) - 181.798 / 1.654.712
[PS2] Final Fantasy X-2 (Square Enix) - 80.295 / 1.735.007

[PS2] Final Fantasy XII (Square Enix) - 1.840.397 / 1.840.397
[PS2] Final Fantasy XII (Square Enix) - 217.438 / 2.057.835
[PS2] Final Fantasy XII (Square Enix) - 91.078 / 2.148.913

[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 1.516.532 / 1.516.532
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 181.724 / 1.698.256

FFXIII has a chance to hold better at its third week than PS2 FFs but after this week it will fall very fast.

GaimeGuy · Jan 5, 2010

Chris1964 said:
Final Fantasy first 3 weeks

[PS1] Final Fantasy VII (Square) - 2.034.879 / 2.034.879
[PS1] Final Fantasy VII (Square) - 329.740 / 2.364.619
[PS1] Final Fantasy VII (Square) - 167.865 / 2.532.484

[PS1] Final Fantasy VIII (Square) - 2.504.044 / 2.504.044
[PS1] Final Fantasy VIII (Square) - 270.993 / 2.775.037
[PS1] Final Fantasy VIII (Square) - 205.779 / 2.980.816

[PS1] Final Fantasy IX (Square) - 1.954.421 / 1.954.421
[PS1] Final Fantasy IX (Square) - 328.404 / 2.282.826
[PS1] Final Fantasy IX (Square) - 123.827 / 2.406.653

[PS2] Final Fantasy X (Square) - 1.749.737 / 1.749.737
[PS2] Final Fantasy X (Square) - 233.429 / 1.983.166
[PS2] Final Fantasy X (Square) - 85.703 / 2.068.868

[PS2] Final Fantasy X-2 (Square Enix) - 1.472.914 / 1.472.914
[PS2] Final Fantasy X-2 (Square Enix) - 181.798 / 1.654.712
[PS2] Final Fantasy X-2 (Square Enix) - 80.295 / 1.735.007

[PS2] Final Fantasy XII (Square Enix) - 1.840.397 / 1.840.397
[PS2] Final Fantasy XII (Square Enix) - 217.438 / 2.057.835
[PS2] Final Fantasy XII (Square Enix) - 91.078 / 2.148.913

[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 1.516.532 / 1.516.532
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 181.724 / 1.698.256

FFXIII has a chance to hold better at its third week than PS2 FFs but after this week it will fall very fast.

er, the only FF it's going to be matching is FFX2. (Unles you're talking about only 3rd week sales, which is kind of pointless if you ask me)

Chris1964 · Jan 5, 2010

GaimeGuy said:
er, the only FF it's going to be matching is FFX2. (Unles you're talking about only 3rd week sales, which is kind of pointless if you ask me)

Chris1964: said:
FFXIII has a chance to hold better at its third week than PS2 FFs but after this week it will fall very fast.

Still trying to find where I talked about LTD in my post.

test_account · Jan 5, 2010

Chris1964 said:
FFXIII has a chance to hold better at its third week than PS2 FFs but after this week it will fall very fast.

Out of curiosity, how fast is "very fast"?

Faster compared to the other Final Fantasy games?

GaimeGuy said:
er, the only FF it's going to be matching is FFX2. (Unles you're talking about only 3rd week sales, which is kind of pointless if you ask me)

I think that he wanted to show how FFXIII is hold up in sales week after week and how this compares to the other FF games and therefor he mentioned the 3rd week, since that is the upcoming week for FFXIII (we know how much FFXIII sold in the 1st week and in the 2nd week, but not how much it sold in the 3rd week yet). I think that it is an interesting point and that it is interesting to see how FFXIII holds up week after week compared to the other FF games

EDIT: I see now that Chris1964 already answered on this

Chris1964 · Jan 5, 2010

test_account said:
Out of curiosity, how fast is "very fast"? Faster compared to the other Final Fantasy games?

Even if it follows previous FF trends it will be a very fast drop. Something like 150k until it's done selling.

test_account · Jan 5, 2010

Chris1964 said:
Even if it follows previous FF trends it will be a very fast drop. Something like 150k until it's done selling.

Ye, that is true. I was just wondering if you ment if FFXIII would drop faster compared to how fast the other FF games dropped, or if you ment that FFXIII would drop about just as fast as the other FF games dropped

But as you say, even if FFXIII drops about the same compared to the other FF games, it would still be a very fast drop, that is true

Something like 150k until FFXIII is done selling might be likely to happend, i agree

Kurosaki Ichigo · Jan 5, 2010

Chris1964 said:
[PS2] Final Fantasy X-2 (Square Enix) - 1.472.914 / 1.472.914
[PS2] Final Fantasy X-2 (Square Enix) - 181.798 / 1.654.712
[PS2] Final Fantasy X-2 (Square Enix) - 80.295 / 1.735.007

[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 1.516.532 / 1.516.532
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 181.724 / 1.698.256

FFXIII has a chance to hold better at its third week than PS2 FFs but after this week it will fall very fast.

Given the 2nd week, low chance it seems. Interesting point, it needs to do as much as FFX-2 from week 3 to LTD to reach 2m.

FFX-2 sold 306k after the first two weeks. (Big) if FFXIII manages to do that, it'd do 2004k. But given a bigger first week yet a lower 2nd and the whole holidays pushing it, its doesn't look very likely it'll do that 306k. We would have to wait until middle 2011 for Famitsu Top500 to see it though! (2nd thought, maybe just until top100).

onken · Jan 5, 2010

FF13 may have a half-decent week 3 thanks to laying right over the new year, but then again might fall foul of the used market. And probably no leak tomorrow to find out

Vilix · Jan 5, 2010

bttb said:
2009 Software Top 5
1. [NDS] Dragon Quest IX - 4,100,968

Incorrect. Third party games do not sell well on ANY Nintendo system.

Chris1964 · Jan 5, 2010

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
We would have to wait until middle 2011 for Famitsu Top500 to see it though! (2nd thought, maybe just until top100).

We will know FFXIII LTD at 2010 half year top 100 (if you didn't mean that with top 100). The cut for the 100th place is usually 60-70k and FFXIII will have sold much more than that.

Road · Jan 5, 2010

Nirolak said:
So, considering everything that released last year, do we think that this will go up next year, stay flat, or go down?

I'm kind of getting the feeling we'll be seeing around a 4-5% drop next year, assuming we still see a few rather impressive titles pop up that aren't announced yet, just because of the scale of what was released in 2009 and the fact that software sales still went down.

I think the drop will be closer to 10% this year in software sales. We talk again in 2011. haha

From:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17843867&postcount=151
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19155730&postcount=608

Estimating the 4th quarter of 2009:

2009 Market Value - in billions of yen
(2008 figures in brackets)

Code:

Period      |  Hardware Value   |  Software Value   |  Total Value
------------|-------------------|-------------------|-----------------
Q1 Jan-Mar  |   58.10  (77.07)  |   79.49  (90.71)  |  137.58 (167.78)
Q2 Apr-Jun  |   34.07  (50.18)  |   47.26  (71.43)  |   81.34 (121.61)
------------|-------------------|-------------------|-----------------
1H Total    |   92.17 (127.25)  |  126.75 (162.14)  |  218.92 (289.39)
------------|-------------------|-------------------|-----------------
Q3 Jul-Sep  |   46.79  (45.05)  |   85.65  (72.20)  |  132.44 (117.24)
Q4 Oct-Dec  |   77.53  (78.19)  |  113.76  (97.78)  |  191.28 (175.97)
------------|-------------------|-------------------|-----------------
2H Total    |  124.32 (123.25)  |  199.41 (169.98)  |  323.72 (293.22)

2nd half of 2009 (DQIX, MH3, WSR, PHGSS, WF+, TC, NSMBWii and FFXIII) was up 17% in software sales, and the total market up 10%, compared to 2008.

Onesimos · Jan 5, 2010

bttb said:
2009 Market Size
HW Value = 216.49 bln yen (-13.6% YoY)
SW Value = 326.16 bln yen (-1.8% YoY)
Total Value = 542.64 bln yen (-6.9% YoY)

I wonder how much the the shrinking hardware and software value can be attributed to the Wii in 2009.

Nirolak · Jan 5, 2010

Road said:
I think the drop will be closer to 10% this year in software sales. We talk again in 2011. haha

It seems I forgot to put an "at least" in my statement.

I think you could very well be right, especially if nothing comes out of the blue.

The_lascar · Jan 5, 2010

Chris1964 said:

Famitsu data:

Code:

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|    |     [NDS] NSMB    |[WII] Mario Galaxy |  [WII] NSMB Wii   |       difference      |
|    |     (25/05/06)    |    (01/11/07)     |     (03/12/09)    |                       |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |NSMBW-NSMB | NSMBW-SMG |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|  1 |  865.024|  865.024|  256.431|  256.431|  936.734|  936.734|     71.710|    680.393|
|  2 |  315.197|1.180.221|   78.439|  334.690|  464.824|1.401.558|    221.337|  1.066.868|
|  3 |  242.932|1.423.153|   43.317|  378.007|  570.000|1.972.000|    548.847|  1.593.993|
|  4 |  204.007|1.627.160|   37.484|  415.491|  513.000|2.485.150|    857.990|  2.069.659|
|  5 |  169.852|1.797.012|   36.354|  451.845|         |         |           |           |
|  6 |  153.047|1.950.009|   48.750|  500.595|         |         |           |           |
|  7 |  132.375|2.082.434|   70.541|  571.136|         |         |           |           |
|  8 |  120.220|2.202.654|  109.029|  680.165|         |         |           |           |
|  9 |  146.837|2.349.491|   67.519|  747.684|         |         |           |           |
| 10 |  114.471|2.463.962|   62.017|  809.701|         |         |           |           |
| 11 |  103.008|2.566.970|   17.617|  827.318|         |         |           |           |
| 12 |  119.991|2.686.961|   16.643|  843.961|         |         |           |           |
| 13 |  115.335|2.802.296|    9.056|  853.017|         |         |           |           |
| 14 |   66.336|2.868.632|    7.234|  860.251|         |         |           |           |
| 15 |   72.235|2.940.867|    6.344|  866.595|         |         |           |           |
| 16 |   51.643|2.992.510|    5.868|  872.463|         |         |           |           |
| 17 |   52.070|3.044.580|    4.357|  876.820|         |         |           |           |
| 18 |   54.595|3.099.175|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 19 |   51.541|3.150.716|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 20 |   37.678|3.188.394|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 21 |   39.915|3.228.309|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 22 |   30.564|3.258.873|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 23 |   33.482|3.292.355|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 24 |   31.940|3.324.295|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 25 |   26.939|3.351.234|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 26 |   23.777|3.375.011|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 27 |   32.086|3.407.097|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 28 |   28.132|3.435.229|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 29 |   45.298|3.480.527|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 30 |   72.194|3.552.721|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 31 |  185.021|3.737.742|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 32 |   80.472|3.818.214|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|Year|   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |NSMBW-NSMB | NSMBW-SMG |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|  1 |3.818.214|3.818.214|  747.684|  747.684|2.485.150|2.485.150| -1.333.064|  1.737.466|
|  2 |1.176.939|4.995.153|  197.442|  945.106|         |         |           |           |
|  3 |  377.034|5.372.187|   19.308|  964.414|         |         |           |           |
|  4 |  230.223|5.602.410|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
| LTD|        -|5.602.410|        -|  964.414|        -|2.485.150| -3.117.260|  1.520.736|
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

New Super Mario Bros. LTD is up to 13/12/09
Super Mario Galaxy LTD is up to 12/07/09

01. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - / 6.810.000
02. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 865.024 / 5.602.410
03. [NGB] Super Mario Land (Nintendo) - / 4.190.000
04. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. 3 (Nintendo) - / 3.840.000
05. [SFC] Super Mario World (Nintendo) - / 3.550.000
06. [NGB] Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins (Nintendo) - / 2.700.000
07. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo) - / 2.650.000
08. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 936.734 / 2.485.150
08. [SFC] Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (Nintendo) - / 1.770.000
09. [N64] Super Mario 64 (Nintendo) - 162.111 / 1.639.921
10. [NFC] Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - / 1.630.000
11. [NGB] Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land (Nintendo) - / 1.590.000
12. [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo) - 256.431 / 964.414
13. [GCN] Super Mario Sunshine (Nintendo) - 280.610 / 789.989

Yamauchi · Jan 5, 2010

Rise to heaven

Vinnk · Jan 5, 2010

GameplayWhore said:
(also, thanks Vinnk for your postings -- in the three years that I was lurking before I started posting, your weekly Village report was one of my highlights of GAF)

Thank you. I am never sure how useful my posts are but I do what I can. I liked doing the Vinnks Village stuff but when the smoke settled after the beginning of the gen and settled into patterns, there wasn't much to write about anymore. For the the last couple of months have been really exciting because different things have been happening. I don't really want another console gen right away (I can't afford it) but part of me is really looking forward to doing the reports again when one starts.

JoshuaJSlone · Jan 5, 2010

Fularu said:
I'm not so sure... look :

The prologue game did 75% of what GT4 pulled... If we use the same pattern :

Can we expect GT5 to go much beyond 400k? Why would the pattern change? Also the sales numbers for both GT5P and GT5P2 are eerily similar...

Even if it only hit 400K, I'd say that's pretty significant; only a handful of PS3 games have done as well, and we consider all of them big deals.

gamergirly · Jan 5, 2010

marc^o^ said:
New Super Mario Bros is the same beast as it was on the DS.

Nintendo may be doomed, but Mario is not.

I just find that so hilarious on many levels :lol

Kenka · Jan 5, 2010

It may be incorrect but I think that Monster Hunter 2G outsold all entries of the Final Fantasy series in Japan (if you don't count all the International and Best releases).

djtiesto · Jan 5, 2010

Kittonwy said:
What is Mistwalker going to do without MS support? Does MS still want to keep throwing money at Mistwalker just to fight the good fight in Japan? They don't really need Mistwalker for NA or Europe, they've got a bunch of WRPGs, both exclusive and multiplatform.

A lot of Mistwalker fans couldn't give 2 shits about WRPGs though...

test_account · Jan 5, 2010

Vilix said:
Incorrect. Third party games do not sell well on ANY Nintendo system.

Isnt/wasnt the joke/saying that third party games does sell more aimed towards the Wii (and maybe the DS in 2005/early 2006, and maybe Nintendo 64 and Gamecube as well)? I think that third parties in general have pretty much always been successful on Nintendo's handheld systems, at least i cant think of any handheld Nintendo system that hasnt had good third party support

Or, maybe the Virtual Boy, but i guess it can be discussed if the Virtuall Boy was a handheld system. I think that the VB is more like a portable system instead of a handheld system. But the VB wasnt around for that long, so it didnt have time to recieve much third party and even first party support.

Chris1964 · Jan 5, 2010

Kenka said:
It may be incorrect but I think that Monster Hunter 2G outsold all entries of the Final Fantasy series in Japan (if you don't count all the International and Best releases).

No.

[PS1] Final Fantasy VIII (Square) - 2.504.044 / 3.501.588 - 71,51%
[PS1] Final Fantasy VII (Square) - 2.034.879 / 3.277.291 - 62,09%
[PS1] Final Fantasy IX (Square) - 1.954.421 / 2.707.301 - 72,19%
[SFC] Final Fantasy VI (Square) - / 2.550.000
[PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom Unite (Capcom) - 823.265 / 2.453.152 - 33,56%
[SFC] Final Fantasy V (Square) - / 2.450.000
[PS2] Final Fantasy X (Square) - 1.749.737 / 2.325.215 - 75,25%
[PS2] Final Fantasy XII (Square Enix) - 1.840.397 / 2.322.329 - 79,25%
[PS2] Final Fantasy X-2 (Square Enix) - 1.472.914 / 1.960.937 - 75,11%
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 1.516.532 / ?
[SFC] Final Fantasy IV (Square) - / 1.430.000
[NFC] Final Fantasy III (Square) - / 1.400.000
[NFC] Final Fantasy II (Square) - / 760.000
[NFC] Final Fantasy (Square) - / 520.000

But it has outsold every FF except for VI-IX.

If you count budget re-releases Monster Hunter Freedom Unite is outsold only from FFVII.

[PS1] Final Fantasy VII (Square) (every version) - 3.937.900
[PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom Unite (Capcom) (every version) - 3.546.738

Monster Hunter Freedom Unite (PSP the Best Reprint) just came out.
The battle between Final Fantasy VII and Monster Hunter Freedom Unite isn't over yet.

Vinci · Jan 5, 2010

01. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - / 6.810.000
02. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 865.024 / 5.602.410
03. [NGB] Super Mario Land (Nintendo) - / 4.190.000
04. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. 3 (Nintendo) - / 3.840.000
05. [SFC] Super Mario World (Nintendo) - / 3.550.000
06. [NGB] Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins (Nintendo) - / 2.700.000
07. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo) - / 2.650.000
08. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 936.734 / 2.485.150
08. [SFC] Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (Nintendo) - / 1.770.000
09. [N64] Super Mario 64 (Nintendo) - 162.111 / 1.639.921
10. [NFC] Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - / 1.630.000
11. [NGB] Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land (Nintendo) - / 1.590.000
12. [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo) - 256.431 / 964.414
13. [GCN] Super Mario Sunshine (Nintendo) - 280.610 / 789.989

Holy shit.

poppabk · Jan 5, 2010

test_account said:
Isnt/wasnt the joke/saying that third party games does sell more aimed towards the Wii (and maybe the DS in 2005/early 2006, and maybe Nintendo 64 and Gamecube as well)? I think that third parties in general have pretty much always been successful on Nintendo's handheld systems, at least i cant think of any handheld Nintendo system that hasnt had good third party support Or, maybe the Virtual Boy, but i guess it can be discussed if the Virtuall Boy was a handheld system. I think that the VB is more like a portable system instead of a handheld system.

But if competition from Nintendo is not the reason for low 3rd party sales then ... well lets just not go there and pretend that after DQ it says publisher:Nintendo.

timetokill · Jan 5, 2010

SolidSnakex said:
Many genres make sense on handhelds, sim racers aren't one of them.

The genre works fine on handhelds. What you mean is that games that cater especially to graphics whores are not going to work on handhelds.

OldJadedGamer · Jan 5, 2010

poppabk said:
But if competition from Nintendo is not the reason for low 3rd party sales then ... well lets just not go there and pretend that after DQ it says publisher:Nintendo.

You know that Dragon Quest is the exception and not the norm. That's like pointing to Monster Hunter on the PSP and going on about how great PSP software sales are for everyone making PSP games.

poppabk · Jan 5, 2010

OldJadedGamer said:
You know that Dragon Quest is the exception and not the norm. That's like pointing to Monster Hunter on the PSP and going on about how great PSP software sales are for everyone making PSP games.

But they do demonstrate that a 3rd party title can sell on either machine. Nintendo 1st party doesn't kill all other sales, and the non-game buying PSP audience will buy a game in their droves if it is the right game.

timetokill said:
The genre works fine on handhelds. What you mean is that games that cater especially to graphics whores are not going to work on handhelds.

I think it is less graphic whores and more people who are car whores. There is a reason they replicate real cars in their thousands, its not only about the racing it is also about the car porn, which requires as close to real life as possible.

duckroll · Jan 5, 2010

djtiesto said:
A lot of Mistwalker fans couldn't give 2 shits about WRPGs though...

There can't be many Mistwalker fans though, considering what their games sell...

timetokill · Jan 5, 2010

poppabk said:
I think it is less graphic whores and more people who are car whores. There is a reason they replicate real cars in their thousands, its not only about the racing it is also about the car porn, which requires as close to real life as possible.

... which makes them graphics whores. There's a reason they have that pretty photo mode right?

test_account · Jan 6, 2010

poppabk said:
But if competition from Nintendo is not the reason for low 3rd party sales then ... well lets just not go there and pretend that after DQ it says publisher:Nintendo.

How do you mean? Did you mean it in context to what i said? Or am i missunderstanding? When Vilix said "Third party games do not sell well on ANY Nintendo system.

", i assumed that he was referring to the "3rd party doesnt sell" joke/phrase. I then wanted to say/ask that i think that the "3rd party doesnt sell" phrase hasnt been used to every Nintendo system, especially when it comes to Nintendo's handheld systems, where 3rd party support in general has be pretty good. And since the 3rd party support is good for Nintendo's handheld systems, i assume that they have success on Nintendo's handheld systems as well. Dragon Quest IX isnt the first 3rd party game that sells great on the DS

I guess that you are joking about what you said, but if it was in context to somthing i said (since you quoted me), i didnt mean to say anything about if 3rd party games cant sell on Nintendo systems or not, i just wanted to say that i think that this phrase that 3rd party games doesnt sell on Nintendo systems hasnt been used towards every Nintendo system

Nirolak · Jan 6, 2010

Apparently the God Eater demo got 1 million downloads:

Siliconera said:
Everyones got a Monster Hunter inspired game. Its the new portable trend. Konamis is Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker. Namco Bandais is God Eater. And by virtue of being a Monster Hunter clone, its already primed for success.

At least, thats what the demo indicates, which Inside Games report has been downloaded 1 million times. Namco are taking the feedback they received from demo players into account and tweaking the final build of the game accordingly, too. Theres also a new 2010 trailer of the game.

God Eater is scheduled for a February 4, 2010 release in Japan. When its finally published, youll be able to transfer characters from the demo to the final game, which is probably part of the reason the demo did so well.

Source: http://www.siliconera.com/2010/01/05/god-eater-demo-hints-at-future-success/

While this doesn't guarantee success, it does seem the game is at least getting a lot of exposure.

poppabk · Jan 6, 2010

test_account said:
How do you mean? Did you mean it in context to what i said? Or am i missunderstanding? When Vilix said "Third party games do not sell well on ANY Nintendo system. ", i assumed that he was referring to the "3rd party doesnt sell" joke/phrase. I then wanted to say/ask that i think that the "3rd party doesnt sell" phrase hasnt been used to every Nintendo system, especially when it comes to Nintendo's handheld systems, where 3rd party support in general has be pretty good. And since the 3rd party support is good for Nintendo's handheld systems, i assume that they have success on Nintendo's handheld systems as well. Dragon Quest IX isnt the first 3rd party game that sells great on the DS

I guess that you are joking about what you said, but if it was in context to somthing i said (since you quoted me), i didnt mean to say anything about if 3rd party games cant sell on Nintendo systems or not, i just wanted to say that i think that this phrase that 3rd party games doesnt sell on Nintendo systems hasnt been used towards every Nintendo system

I was just joking based on the fact that the '3rd parties don't sell on Nintendo' meme is predicated on Nintendo's first party being too strong competition, which is obviously not true given the right 3rd party product.

BlazingDarkness · Jan 6, 2010

Nirolak said:
Apparently the God Eater demo got 1 million downloads:

Source: http://www.siliconera.com/2010/01/05/god-eater-demo-hints-at-future-success/

While this doesn't guarantee success, it does seem the game is at least getting a lot of exposure.

i'm surprised
could be a good seller

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