michaelius
Banned
First question we need to ask is what would be the gain for publishers to do port ?
Repeating NGS3 "success" and <10k sales first week?
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Media Create Sales: Week 17, 2013 (Apr 22 - Apr 28)
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First question we need to ask is what would be the gain for publishers to do port ?
Repeating NGS3 "success" and <10k sales first week?
electroplankton
Banned
NG always sells shitty.
Aquamarine
Member
Should be a pretty predictable Week 18 then. ;-)
Gianni Merryman
Member
I daresay that was quite predictable; just like Animal crossing it's a game that many people want to have installed on their 3DS, besides iirc there was some kind of discount going for digital version.
michaelius
Banned
And so does everything else ported to Wii U in Japan.So the business incentive to actually make multiplatform games for it is rather minimal.
electroplankton
Banned
How many multi we had, though? Software is selling bad, true, but did you expect big numbers from late ports like Hokuno ho Ken Musou, or games that originally sold bad as well, like Ninja Gaiden? As far as I know, some launch titles didn't even perform so bad, compared to hardware sales.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
So what do publishers gain on Vita ports, when NGS games do <10k sales there as well first week?
Except for Monster Hunter.
Uh.. Monster hunter isn't setting the wii u on fire.So what do publishers gain on Vita ports, when NGS games do <10k sales there as well first week?
Except for Monster Hunter.
Edit : stupid auto correct.
This looks pretty low-budget:
It looks like someone put lipstick on a PS2 game or something.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Looking at the (late) Wii U ports last year (2-4 weeks for U sales in these cases) from MC 2012 Top 1000:
Assassin's Creed III
PS3: 111,609
X360: 12,175
WiiU: 7,278
Batman: Arkham City
PS3: 24,463
WiiU: 4,751
X360: 4,059 (2011)
Call of Duty: Black Ops II (dubbed)
PS3: 71,971
WiiU: 8,720
360: 6,166
FIFA Soccer 13
PS3: 59,801
PSV: 10,128
PSP: 9,678
WiiU: 5,761
X360: 4,854
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
3DS: 1,587,566
WiiU: 159,406
Ninja Gaiden 3
PS3: 47,476
WiiU: 7,977
X360: 5,932
Sangokushi 12
PS3: 30,907
WiiU: 3,995
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
PS3: 102,414
WiiiU: 11,666
X360: 6,721
Warriors Orochi 3
PS3: 384,088
PSP: 64,104
WiiU: 16,094
X360: 4,191
Assassin's Creed III
PS3: 111,609
X360: 12,175
WiiU: 7,278
Batman: Arkham City
PS3: 24,463
WiiU: 4,751
X360: 4,059 (2011)
Call of Duty: Black Ops II (dubbed)
PS3: 71,971
WiiU: 8,720
360: 6,166
FIFA Soccer 13
PS3: 59,801
PSV: 10,128
PSP: 9,678
WiiU: 5,761
X360: 4,854
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
3DS: 1,587,566
WiiU: 159,406
Ninja Gaiden 3
PS3: 47,476
WiiU: 7,977
X360: 5,932
Sangokushi 12
PS3: 30,907
WiiU: 3,995
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
PS3: 102,414
WiiiU: 11,666
X360: 6,721
Warriors Orochi 3
PS3: 384,088
PSP: 64,104
WiiU: 16,094
X360: 4,191
Capcom's happy with sales anyway, it's a bit over 200k now iirc. I bet Wii U gets a MH4 port too.
michaelius
Banned
So what do publishers gain on Vita ports, when NGS games do <10k sales there as well first week?
Except for Monster Hunter.
Unlike Wii U NGS for Vita isn't one of top selling ports
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Nintendo Create is much better.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Wii U's top selling port is over 200k, Vita's is nearing 100k.Unlike Wii U NGS for Vita isn't one of top selling ports
Besides, what's it matter when similar ports are doing similar numbers across both?
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Wii U's top selling port is over 200k, Vita's is nearing 100k.
Besides, what's it matter when similar ports are doing similar numbers across both?
Persona 4 Golden - 260k - http://www.siliconera.com/2012/10/1...passed-expectations-golden-sales-also-strong/
michaelius
Banned
Someone in Vita thread once asked if there's 3DS equivalent - he was linked to MC thread
shinra-bansho
Member
A: "No, your platform is failing more."
B: "No, your platform is failing more."
B: "No, your platform is failing more."
I feel this is what happens when the only interesting sales fight is between two nigh-comatose platforms.
Where's the screen with the destroyed X planet with Duck Dodgers and Marvin the Martian on it when you need it.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Someone in Vita thread once asked if there's 3DS equivalent - he was linked to MC thread
I didn't ask the question, but was interested in the answer as well being a new 3DS owner at the time and that link cracked me up. Still haven't found the true equivalent yet. lol
That's how I see it.
You mean this?
I mean when Planet X has already been destroyed, with just one tiny part still intact. :lol
metalslimer
Member
"Look at how much my port sold"
"Why does everyone hate platform?!!!"
Someone in Vita thread once asked if there's 3DS equivalent - he was linked to MC thread
Hahahahaha that's so funny and witty! I couldn't imagine why Vita or Wii U owners wouldn't like being in this thread. I'm just flabbergasted and laughing soooo hard right now. Your smilies in every post just brighten my day =)
;( ^_^lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Port, not remake.
That's how I see most of us here. Yes, even YOU, and YOU, the ones calling the others, and "vice versa". It's just that some are better at arguing, more subtle and with even interesting reasoning while others are just raging, or celebrating because the others are raging.
The difference is more about mature fanboys and immature fanboys.
Well, two of the three next gen released are bombing, you can't expect anything else.
See here's the thing, I don't see any reasonable reason as to why one would attempt to "put down" another platform because another one is doing poorly or celebrate because one platform is doing poorly. There are snide remarks going back and forth. It would be nice to at least have that shit out of sales threads.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Since the Vita comparison is going, here's it's own launch year performance for late ports from the MC 2011 Top 1000:
Blazblue Continuum Shift Extend
PS3: 45,530
PSV: 15,179
X360: 6,128
Disgaea 3
PS3: 101,806 (2008)
PSV: 36,870
Dream Club Zero
X360: 32,284
PSV: 18,374
F1 2011
PS3: 45,659
PSV: 4,049
Lord of Apocalypse (simultaneous release)
PSV: 50,767
PSP: 38,705
Shin Kamatachi no Yoru (simultaneous release)
PS3: 54,977
PSV: 25,525
Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3
PS3: 32,982
PSV: 12,020
360: 5,451
Virtua Tennis 4
PS3: 19,269
PSV: 9,249
Blazblue Continuum Shift Extend
PS3: 45,530
PSV: 15,179
X360: 6,128
Disgaea 3
PS3: 101,806 (2008)
PSV: 36,870
Dream Club Zero
X360: 32,284
PSV: 18,374
F1 2011
PS3: 45,659
PSV: 4,049
Lord of Apocalypse (simultaneous release)
PSV: 50,767
PSP: 38,705
Shin Kamatachi no Yoru (simultaneous release)
PS3: 54,977
PSV: 25,525
Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3
PS3: 32,982
PSV: 12,020
360: 5,451
Virtua Tennis 4
PS3: 19,269
PSV: 9,249
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Capcom once stated that the only reason the HD ports exist is to release MH in the console-dominated western markets (don't ask me for a source because I forgot where). If MH4 is coming out in the West, expect a Wii U version.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Given MH3U did reasonably well for itself overseas, I think MH4 is definitely coming. Probably spring 2014-ish.
metalslimer
Member
It will be a year minimum before MH4 shows up on Wii U, if it ever does.
electroplankton
Banned
Those numbers should be updated, though. I remember that someone once shared all those updated LTD, and they were all higher.
Hero of Legend
Member
I'm thinking this as well. Also MH4G should be ground-up for Wii U but still share the same design as the original as to allow the 3DS version of MH4G to have the exact same content, just on Wii U all assets are made from scratch to fit the capabilities.
Gianni Merryman
Member
In fact MH3G on 3DS ought to be over 1900k by now for all I know.
Unless MH4 is not content-packed and does not have G-Rank difficulty, then I can see MH4G coming to the 3DS next year. And a Wii U port could be possible about 5-8 months in.
Why should it be?
Why should it be?
Hero of Legend
Member
Why not?
It'd be a way to have a true HD next-gen MH and still have a 3DS version that'll sell by the bucket loads.
Hey I can dream, can't I?
Why not?
It'd be a way to have a true HD next-gen MH and still have a 3DS version that'll sell by the bucket loads.
Hey I can dream, can't I?
Because it would require more effort than needed. Down-porting is a lot harder than up-porting. 3DS has a large userbase, the Wii U is not even close.
You can dream, sure, but you said "they should" as if it has to happen surely.
Hero of Legend
Member
No need to downport, since they can make the 3DS version of 4G from the original MH4 on 3DS.
Most often they only make like a very few amount of original monsters in G version anyway right? And only a couple of new areas IIRC as well. MH3U brings over MANY monsters from previous games and a few areas as well, I think it only had one new area for an original elder dragon.
But that would require more effort than down-porting itself.
They added lots of subspecies which are basically "new" monsters based off of regular monsters and a few original monsters in MH3U compared to the original Tri and MHP3rd.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
The amount of actual new content (not counting reskins) in MH3U compared to the sum total of MH3 and MHP3 is staggeringly small. Like I think the only two original designs are Brachy and the final boss.
My pet, completely unsubstantiated theory for why MH4's textures look like ass is because of better forwards compatibility with a Wii U version. Games that have a "low performance" mode on PC as well as certain games that received a downport to worse hardware exhibit graphics like that.
My pet, completely unsubstantiated theory for why MH4's textures look like ass is because of better forwards compatibility with a Wii U version. Games that have a "low performance" mode on PC as well as certain games that received a downport to worse hardware exhibit graphics like that.
I think it looks bad because of the art direction they're going with along with the larger and opener environments.
Allan Holdsworth
Member
Except there's a big reason: they want to release it outside Japan.
I'm not sure that the Wii U version's sales merit an HD Version of MH4. The 3DS version has sold better than the Wii U version in the US (I believe the same was stated for France?), the total US sales are similar to MH3's, and the 3DS version of MH4 is online capable already.
Cutting the Wii U SKU may just reduce cannibalization.
On this topic. The growth of NeoGAF probably plays a huge role in this. It may only take a single person to derail a thread, and so a greater amount of users leads to a greater opportunity for someone to misunderstand what these thread are about.
I don't know the intent behind the joke referenced earlier - MC is 3DS's Vita appreciation thread - suggests that kind of misunderstanding. This thread shouldn't be about trying making one's self feel better by promoting their own interests. It should be about discussing the sales reality and figuring out what it means.
Cutting the Wii U SKU may just reduce cannibalization.
On this topic. The growth of NeoGAF probably plays a huge role in this. It may only take a single person to derail a thread, and so a greater amount of users leads to a greater opportunity for someone to misunderstand what these thread are about.
I don't know the intent behind the joke referenced earlier - MC is 3DS's Vita appreciation thread - suggests that kind of misunderstanding. This thread shouldn't be about trying making one's self feel better by promoting their own interests. It should be about discussing the sales reality and figuring out what it means.
They don't need a console to do that.
I don't know about MH4 PS3 being an alternative to a Wii U version.