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[Mpl90]

Yeah, Wii U is having problems with sell-throughs right now. Not because of Rabbids Land, but because of titles like Revelations and G&W.

Such a slow thread this week, due to non-interesting events and the whole Xbone disaster, as well as E3 hype.

MH4's Comgnet rise is CRAZY: preorders over there started on June 5th, and here's its pace in the first four days

21pt --- 95pt --- 152pt --- 263pt

 

[Chris1964]

I know that neither you, nor the publishers, nor the retailers were expecting any of these games to sell much more than what they shipped - so I'm not sure what the point of the comparison is between your game 1 and game 2 scenarios.

If publishers were expecting to sell so little and the specific games passed the test we should see continued support from them and not "abandon the ship" (I'm not referring only to Japan, Wii U was a disaster worldwide for almost every third party game).

 

[schuelma]

We know more or less what Nintendo has up its sleeves for the second half of the year, what is supposed to change the current situation?

Big exclusive games from third parties won't come, most of them aren't interested on the system and it will be mainly some ports and multiplatforms from specific companies.

Wii U really had many opportunities to prove itself as of yet. Nintendo, many big western and some Japanese companies were on board at launch.

I mean, if we assume that 3D Mario is out this year, you are looking at a 3 month or so period where we see Wii Fit U, Wii U Party, Wind Waker, 3D Mario, and quite possibly Mario Kart....that is a pretty packed last quarter.

 

[metalslimer]

I mean, if we assume that 3D Mario is out this year, you are looking at a 3 month or so period where we see Wii Fit U, Wii U Party, Wind Waker, 3D Mario, and quite possibly Mario Kart....that is a pretty packed last quarter.

If you assume the Wii ___ series still means anything anyway which I don't. Still Zelda, 3D Mario, and Mario Kart is a good lineup but I still have some doubts all 3 will hit this year.

 

[BlackJace]

If they can just nail a good price drop with software drops, that could see a nice rise. Beforehand, they should be marketing the shit out of the fall/winter games to build hype.

I foresee a good holiday, but 2014 onwards is a big question mark.

 

[Road]

Congratulations to Kenka for winning by units and Chris1964, by percentage.

BY UNITS                             BY PERCENTAGE

  1    62,913  Kenka                    1   43.1%  Chris1964
  2   110,415  DrWong                   2   62.2%  deathcobra
  3   110,439  deathcobra               3   62.4%  Kenka
  4   124,691  Chris1964                4   63.9%  Tratorn
  5   161,521  Tratorn                  5   79.0%  saichi
  6   167,638  lunchwithyuzo            6   86.0%  Road
  7   171,301  Dr. Feel Good            7   95.7%  lunchwithyuzo
  8   177,745  Road                     8   98.9%  frankie_baby
  9   179,205  strangedopamine          9   98.9%  metalslimer
 10   181,231  frankie_baby            10  104.1%  DrWong
 11   185,429  Frodo                   11  119.3%  XDDX
 12   212,671  saichi                  12  120.3%  Lexxus
 13   216,521  hongcha                 13  121.2%  strangedopamine
 14   218,863  metalslimer             14  123.1%  Gianni Merryman
 15   252,908  Lexxus                  15  129.2%  maltrain
 16   256,023  XDDX                    16  130.3%  Frodo
 17   269,637  Gianni Merryman         17  136.4%  electroplankton
 18   276,347  Bruno MB                18  139.2%  Canis lupus
 19   279,445  maltrain                19  139.3%  Dr. Feel Good
 20   294,445  Canis lupus             20  150.7%  Yeshua
 21   307,855  Nekki                   21  165.5%  Fisico
 22   311,271  Yeshua                  22  167.6%  donny2112
 23   326,947  muu                     23  167.9%  Bruno MB
 24   346,271  donny2112               24  178.2%  Nekki
 25   355,947  electroplankton         25  184.2%  hongcha
 26   381,271  MasterSheen             26  184.5%  MasterSheen
 27   383,347  Fisico                  27  218.5%  muu

                                                   Famitsu    Bruno MB  Fisico    electropl metalslim muu       MasterShe frankie_b DrWong    strangedo hongcha   Canis lup saichi    Tratorn   Gianni Me lunchwith Yeshua    Frodo
[PSV] Hardware                                          66370     95000    100000     85000     95000    125000     90000     61000     80000    100999    150000    110000     65000     75000     56000     77777     80000     82000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory              56462     66000     60000     55000     52000     50000     35000     64000     50000     48765     65000     55000     57000     60000     57000     44444     40000     70000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu               562766    410000    280000    290000    395000    400000    300000    669000    580000    654321    500000    350000    405000    440000    736000    666666    350000    480000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3      103251     72000     75000     75000     92500     99000     80000     71000     70000     94765    125000    105000     89000    110000    132000     88888     70000    150000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II                                91046    114000    100000     85000     85000     60000     95000     80000     75000     87000     75000     80000    101000     90000     98000     77777    100000     95000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen                       123792    155000    150000     95000    125000     60000    170000    105000    100000     91000    100000    100000     95000    105000     74000    111111    150000    101000

[PSV] Hardware                                              0     28630     33630     18630     28630     58630     23630     -5370     13630     34629     83630     43630     -1370      8630    -10370     11407     13630     15630
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory                  0      9538      3538     -1462     -4462     -6462    -21462      7538     -6462     -7697      8538     -1462       538      3538       538    -12018    -16462     13538
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu                    0   -152766   -282766   -272766   -167766   -162766   -262766    106234     17234     91555    -62766   -212766   -157766   -122766    173234    103900   -212766    -82766
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3           0    -31251    -28251    -28251    -10751     -4251    -23251    -32251    -33251     -8486     21749      1749    -14251      6749     28749    -14363    -33251     46749
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II                                    0     22954      8954     -6046     -6046    -31046      3954    -11046    -16046     -4046    -16046    -11046      9954     -1046      6954    -13269      8954      3954
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen                            0     31208     26208    -28792      1208    -63792     46208    -18792    -23792    -32792    -23792    -23792    -28792    -18792    -49792    -12681     26208    -22792


STATISTICS                                            Famitsu   GAF-AVG   MIN       MAX       OVER      UNDER     CLOSEST   BY
[PSV] Hardware                                         66,370    86,160    56,000   150,000       89%       11%    65,000 saichi
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory             56,462    53,160    35,000    70,000       41%       59%    56,789 Chris1964
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu              562,766   458,600   280,000   736,000       22%       78%   575,000 Kenka
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3     103,251    94,040    69,000   150,000       26%       74%   105,000 Canis lupus
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II                               91,046    89,544    60,000   125,777       41%       59%    90,000 Tratorn
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen                      123,792   115,848    50,000   325,000       26%       74%   123,456 Chris1964

 

[cw_sasuke]

Yeah, Wii U is having problems with sell-throughs right now. Not because of Rabbids Land, but because of titles like Revelations and G&W.

Such a slow thread this week, due to non-interesting events and the whole Xbone disaster, as well as E3 hype.

MH4's Comgnet rise is CRAZY: preorders over there started on June 5th, and here's its pace in the first four days

21pt --- 95pt --- 152pt --- 263pt

How does it compare to MH3G and MHP3rd?

 

[Gianni Merryman]

I was looking forward tto this, thank you Road!

 

[Frodo]

Nice how the GAF Average is close to the real numbers.

Most of us, myself included, were expecting the price cut to have a bigger influence on Vita sales, which unfortunately didn't really happen. And Tomodachi Collection was a bigger hit than most of us expected.

But good numbers, GAF!

 

[hiska-kun]

Thanks Road.

Looking forward to see May results.

 

[Road]

Congratulations to Mpl90 for winning by units and Bruno MB, by percentage.

BY UNITS                             BY PERCENTAGE

  1   167,677  Mpl90                    1   97.4%  Bruno MB
  2   187,245  Yeshua                   2   99.4%  Yeshua
  3   190,555  electroplankton          3  110.3%  electroplankton
  4   199,529  Bruno MB                 4  114.8%  Mpl90
  5   213,555  MasterSheen              5  125.2%  Orgen
  6   220,029  serplux                  6  129.8%  hiska-kun
  7   220,029  ULTROS!                  7  132.1%  Gianni Merryman
  8   220,719  Orgen                    8  133.0%  DrWong
  9   232,386  lunchwithyuzo            9  139.9%  ULTROS!
 10   240,241  hiska-kun               10  151.0%  strangedopamine
 11   241,719  DrWong                  11  153.8%  Kenka
 12   250,764  strangedopamine         12  158.1%  lunchwithyuzo
 13   264,475  Zeer0id                 13  159.6%  MasterSheen
 14   280,381  donny2112               14  164.7%  serplux
 15   288,691  Road                    15  170.3%  Chris1964
 16   298,691  Nekki                   16  172.0%  Road
 17   304,241  Gianni Merryman         17  184.9%  michaelius
 18   328,660  Chris1964               18  186.4%  Zeer0id
 19   360,381  michaelius              19  190.8%  Nekki
 20   382,029  Kenka                   20  200.5%  donny2112
 21   430,917  Dr. Feel Good           21  272.0%  Dr. Feel Good

                                          Famitsu    strangedo donny2112 Zeer0id   serplux   ULTROS!   Bruno MB  electropl michaeliu Gianni Me MasterShe Kenka     Yeshua    DrWong    lunchwith Mpl90     Orgen     Road      Dr. Feel  Nekki     hiska-kun Chris1964
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection: Shin Seikatsu     421831    504000    400000    444444    430000    450000    505000    480000    240000    602000    430000    685000    500000    530000    456789    440804    501000    333000    306777    350000    525000    567890
[PSP] Summon Night 5                          109737     84000     50000     55555     75000     80000    108500    130000     80000    130000    130000    101000    120000     80000     54321     75022     88000     77000     30777     65000    145000     67890
[3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV                   184811    147500    100000     99999    135000     90000    131000    140000    160000    141000    140000    155000    150000    160000    123456    131539    142000    133000    108777    129000    151000    123456
[PS3] Kamen Rider: Battride War               118157     32765     25000     33333     40000     80000    118000     95000     45000    129000     30000     47000     75000     40000     67890     79105     65000     66000     19777     49000    149000     78901
[PS3+WIU+360] Resident Evil Revelations       129155    109000    150000    111111     80000    100000     68000     85000    180000     80000     77000    120000    150000    130000     98765    107490    153000     66000     66666     72000     92000     89012

[3DS] Tomodachi Collection: Shin Seikatsu          0     82169    -21831     22613      8169     28169     83169     58169   -181831    180169      8169    263169     78169    108169     34958     18973     79169    -88831   -115054    -71831    103169    146059
[PSP] Summon Night 5                               0    -25737    -59737    -54182    -34737    -29737     -1237     20263    -29737     20263     20263     -8737     10263    -29737    -55416    -34715    -21737    -32737    -78960    -44737     35263    -41847
[3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV                        0    -37311    -84811    -84812    -49811    -94811    -53811    -44811    -24811    -43811    -44811    -29811    -34811    -24811    -61355    -53272    -42811    -51811    -76034    -55811    -33811    -61355
[PS3] Kamen Rider: Battride War                    0    -85392    -93157    -84824    -78157    -38157      -157    -23157    -73157     10843    -88157    -71157    -43157    -78157    -50267    -39052    -53157    -52157    -98380    -69157     30843    -39256
[PS3+WIU+360] Resident Evil Revelations            0    -20155     20845    -18044    -49155    -29155    -61155    -44155     50845    -49155    -52155     -9155     20845       845    -30390    -21665     23845    -63155    -62489    -57155    -37155    -40143

STATISTICS
                                             Famitsu   GAF-AVG   MIN       MAX       OVER      UNDER     CLOSEST   BY
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection: Shin Seikatsu    421,831   461,034   240,000   685,000       76%       24%   430,000 serplux
[PSP] Summon Night 5                         109,737    87,003    30,777   145,000       24%       76%   108,500 Bruno MB
[3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV                  184,811   132,939    90,000   160,000        0%      100%   160,000 michaelius
[PS3] Kamen Rider: Battride War              118,157    64,989    19,777   149,000       10%       90%   118,000 Bruno MB
[PS3+WIU+360] Resident Evil Revelations      129,155   104,050    66,000   180,000       24%       76%   130,000 DrWong

Sorry for the tardiness. =P

 

[serplux]

Kamen Rider killed me. D:

 

[hiska-kun]

Thanks again, and congratulations to all the winners.

 

[L Thammy]

Everyone should know that low sales numbers are bad. Wouldn't the issue with sellthrough be that price has to drop further to clear the remaining stock?
Of course, Wii U has both problems right now, but I'd figure that publishers are more concerned with volume, retailers with profit margin.

 

[Dalthien]

20.000 shipment, 5.000 sold, 15.000 unsold. Next shipment = 10.000, 2.000 sold, 8.000 unsold... next? No shipment and the Wii U out of the shelves on some stores (just like the Vita). If you don't see that as a dangerous trend, then I don't know what to tell you.

That's (bolded) the result of a system having shitty hardware and software sales. That has nothing to do with whether or not a game sells through 10k or 15k of its shipment. Even if these 3rd-party games were selling 80% of their shipments in the first few weeks, they're still shit sales.

Again - let's say all these games with 20k shipments sell 16k through week 3, instead of 8k or 10k. Is that really the difference between Capcom, Ubisoft, Activision, Namco Bandai, Tecmo Koei pulling their support or not?

"Hey guys, retailers only sold through 10k copies of our game in the 1st month - abandon ship."

or

"Hey guys, retailers sold through 16k copies of our game in the 1st month - woo hoo! Nice sell-through! Here's a train that we want to keep riding!"

The shipments are so small to begin with that the sell-through percentage is damn near meaningless on these titles.

If publishers were expecting to sell so little and the specific games passed the test we should see continued support from them and not "abandon the ship" (I'm not referring only to Japan, Wii U was a disaster worldwide for almost every third party game).

Again - I'm not debating the validity of anything that you've said. You're right - the vast majority of these WiiU games that ship 20-30k have had miserable sell-through percentages. I'm just questioning the meaningfulness of that information. To me - that info is pretty worthless.

As I pointed out above - if all of these same games had good sell-thrus instead of lousy sell-thrus, does anything change? No. Are publishers now rushing to reaffirm their support for the platform because they sold-thru 16k instead of 10k? Is that really the difference maker for the platform?

These are games that are shipping ~20-25k, mostly from big publishers. And that's been the bulk of WiiU's lineup for a good stretch of time now. That's the problem. Not whether these games that ship 20k actually sell 16k or 10k of the shipment.

That's all I'm saying. There are a million problems with the WiiU right now that need addressing - and the sell-thru percentages of these games with pitifully small shipments is like #87 on the list of WiiU issues worth discussing.

When (although at this rate, it may never happen - ha ha) the WiiU has a 3rd-party game that ships 200k, and only sells 120k in the first 3 weeks - then by all means, go to town pointing out the bomba status of the game. That will be significant. These games that nobody cares enough to buy anyway selling 10k vs. 20k just isn't significant.


As for your comments about publishers abandoning the ship - was anyone really on the ship? These late ports aren't support. It's throwing Nintendo a bone, because Nintendo came around asking for support, and the publishers didn't want to bother. So they said, here - have a couple late ports, that'll shut them up.

EA's really the only one outright abandoning the ship, and we heard stuff that they were dropping WiiU versions of a bunch of their games before the system even launched. But yeah - the WiiU looks like it's going to be Nintendo carrying the system by itself. But that has nothing to do with whether these throwaway titles have sell-thrus of 10k instead of 15k.

 

[Kenka]

Congratulations to Kenka for winning by units and Chris1964, by percentage.

BY UNITS                             BY PERCENTAGE

  1    62,913  Kenka                    1   43.1%  Chris1964
  2   110,415  DrWong                   2   62.2%  deathcobra
  3   110,439  deathcobra               3   62.4%  Kenka
  4   124,691  Chris1964                4   63.9%  Tratorn
  5   161,521  Tratorn                  5   79.0%  saichi
  6   167,638  lunchwithyuzo            6   86.0%  Road
  7   171,301  Dr. Feel Good            7   95.7%  lunchwithyuzo
  8   177,745  Road                     8   98.9%  frankie_baby
  9   179,205  strangedopamine          9   98.9%  metalslimer
 10   181,231  frankie_baby            10  104.1%  DrWong
 11   185,429  Frodo                   11  119.3%  XDDX
 12   212,671  saichi                  12  120.3%  Lexxus
 13   216,521  hongcha                 13  121.2%  strangedopamine
 14   218,863  metalslimer             14  123.1%  Gianni Merryman
 15   252,908  Lexxus                  15  129.2%  maltrain
 16   256,023  XDDX                    16  130.3%  Frodo
 17   269,637  Gianni Merryman         17  136.4%  electroplankton
 18   276,347  Bruno MB                18  139.2%  Canis lupus
 19   279,445  maltrain                19  139.3%  Dr. Feel Good
 20   294,445  Canis lupus             20  150.7%  Yeshua
 21   307,855  Nekki                   21  165.5%  Fisico
 22   311,271  Yeshua                  22  167.6%  donny2112
 23   326,947  muu                     23  167.9%  Bruno MB
 24   346,271  donny2112               24  178.2%  Nekki
 25   355,947  electroplankton         25  184.2%  hongcha
 26   381,271  MasterSheen             26  184.5%  MasterSheen
 27   383,347  Fisico                  27  218.5%  muu

                                                   Famitsu    Bruno MB  Fisico    electropl metalslim muu       MasterShe frankie_b DrWong    strangedo hongcha   Canis lup saichi    Tratorn   Gianni Me lunchwith Yeshua    Frodo
[PSV] Hardware                                          66370     95000    100000     85000     95000    125000     90000     61000     80000    100999    150000    110000     65000     75000     56000     77777     80000     82000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory              56462     66000     60000     55000     52000     50000     35000     64000     50000     48765     65000     55000     57000     60000     57000     44444     40000     70000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu               562766    410000    280000    290000    395000    400000    300000    669000    580000    654321    500000    350000    405000    440000    736000    666666    350000    480000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3      103251     72000     75000     75000     92500     99000     80000     71000     70000     94765    125000    105000     89000    110000    132000     88888     70000    150000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II                                91046    114000    100000     85000     85000     60000     95000     80000     75000     87000     75000     80000    101000     90000     98000     77777    100000     95000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen                       123792    155000    150000     95000    125000     60000    170000    105000    100000     91000    100000    100000     95000    105000     74000    111111    150000    101000

[PSV] Hardware                                              0     28630     33630     18630     28630     58630     23630     -5370     13630     34629     83630     43630     -1370      8630    -10370     11407     13630     15630
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory                  0      9538      3538     -1462     -4462     -6462    -21462      7538     -6462     -7697      8538     -1462       538      3538       538    -12018    -16462     13538
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu                    0   -152766   -282766   -272766   -167766   -162766   -262766    106234     17234     91555    -62766   -212766   -157766   -122766    173234    103900   -212766    -82766
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3           0    -31251    -28251    -28251    -10751     -4251    -23251    -32251    -33251     -8486     21749      1749    -14251      6749     28749    -14363    -33251     46749
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II                                    0     22954      8954     -6046     -6046    -31046      3954    -11046    -16046     -4046    -16046    -11046      9954     -1046      6954    -13269      8954      3954
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen                            0     31208     26208    -28792      1208    -63792     46208    -18792    -23792    -32792    -23792    -23792    -28792    -18792    -49792    -12681     26208    -22792


STATISTICS                                            Famitsu   GAF-AVG   MIN       MAX       OVER      UNDER     CLOSEST   BY
[PSV] Hardware                                         66,370    86,160    56,000   150,000       89%       11%    65,000 saichi
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory             56,462    53,160    35,000    70,000       41%       59%    56,789 Chris1964
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu              562,766   458,600   280,000   736,000       22%       78%   575,000 Kenka
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3     103,251    94,040    69,000   150,000       26%       74%   105,000 Canis lupus
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II                               91,046    89,544    60,000   125,777       41%       59%    90,000 Tratorn
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen                      123,792   115,848    50,000   325,000       26%       74%   123,456 Chris1964

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Thank you God. Thank you.

 

[Road]

I'm guessing Japan will get neither PS4 nor XBONE this year...

*too busy playing pokemon and monster hunter to care*

 

[Tallshortman]

Will be interesting how well PS4 does in Japan with almost no competition. Wii U sales look terrible and xbone isn't even launching there as far as we know (not like it will sell any units anyway).

 

[Bruno MB]

Mario Kart 8 launching in Spring 2014, that's a huge blow for Wii U.

 

[Spiegel]

Yep. Vita and WiiU are a no (games) show and PS4/XBone a no (hardware) show this year.

3DS is going to set records.

 

[Pranay]

PS4 launching next year on Japan will be a better line up of game would be a good idea.

TGS is where it is.

they need to hit with the games

 

[allan-bh]

No PS4 this year?

Well, Japan is definitely portable land.

 

[Chris1964]

Mario Kart 8 launching in Spring 2014, that's a huge blow for Wii U.

I had very low expectations for this direct but somehow it didn't meet neither them. What a disaster, the system has been literally gamecubed (with N64 third party support). Nintendo has completely lost the ball.

 

[Mpl90]

Japan is almost like other parts of the world, right? Then:

Pikmin 3 and Super Luigi U - July
Wonderful 101 - August
Wii Party U - "later this year"
Wii Fit U - "this Winter"
WWHD - October
DKCR2 - November
3D World - December

First party wise, it doesn't seem low profile at all, actually. Granted, having MK8 would have helped a lot. And even more granted, they need to cut the price in Japan (5,000 Yen) in order to see a possibly long-standing effect.

 

[pieatorium]

Japan is almost like other parts of the world, right? Then:

Pikmin 3 and Super Luigi U - July
Wonderful 101 - August
Wii Party U - "later this year"
Wii Fit U - "this Winter"
WWHD - October
DKCR2 - November
3D World - December

First party wise, it doesn't seem low profile at all, actually. Granted, having MK8 would have helped a lot. And even more granted, they need to cut the price in Japan (5,000 Yen) in order to see a possibly long-standing effect.

Just got home from work, is DK the only new annoucement? anu thir party at the direct?

 

[BriBri]

Just got home from work, is DK the only new annoucement? anu thir party at the direct?

Yes and nothing.

 

[schuelma]

Yep. Vita and WiiU are a no (games) show and PS4/XBone a no (hardware) show this year.

3DS is going to set records.

Look, I am not going to defend the content of what Nintendo announced, in terms of creativity and ambition- but equating Wii U's lineup for Japan to Vita is just disingenuous. There is really no comparison there.

 

[metalslimer]

E3 honestly was a disaster for the Wii U sales wise. Why would they think releasing 3D World this year instead of Mario Kart was a good idea? More importantly why the hell is Donkey Kong releasing 1 month before Mario. Do they not see the huge overlap in customers there? Its even worse than NSMB2 and NSMBU coming out the same year because at least there was a 3 month separation. 3rd parties have officially abandoned Wii U and I hope we don't get a goalpost moving wait for _______ post. I had really low expectations for what Nintendo's holiday plans were and they surpassed even the lowest one. Luckily for Nintendo Sony decided to not even launch this year so the 3DS will just kill everything instead.

 

[donny2112]

but equating Wii U's lineup for Japan to Vita is just disingenuous. There is really no comparison there.

If you're looking at third-party only, there's probably a decent case to make that they're about equal in meaningfulness, if not quantity, but overall lineup is better for Wii U, since it has a semi-supporting first-party behind it. Just making the comparison, at all, is ridiculous, though. It's like cheering for being the 49th ranked state in education in the U.S., because you aren't the 50th.

Did not think Wii U could've been worse from third-parties than Wii. It couldn't even start to legitimately form as an reasonable opinion in my head pre-launch. The architecture was supposed to make everything so much easier to port (and maybe it does). Third-parties were supposed to be avenue-starved so they'd want as wide a distribution as possible on their games to recoup costs (maybe they are, but they still aren't willing to port). Just don't know what to say. smh

 

[metalslimer]

If you're looking at third-party only, there's probably a decent case to make that they're about equal in meaningfulness, if not quantity, but overall lineup is better for Wii U, since it has a semi-supporting first-party behind it. Just making the comparison, at all, is ridiculous, though. It's like cheering for being the 49th ranked state in education in the U.S., because you aren't the 50th.

Did not think Wii U could've been worse from third-parties than Wii. It couldn't even start to legitimately form as an reasonable opinion in my head pre-launch. The architecture was supposed to make everything so much easier to port (and maybe it does). Third-parties were supposed to be avenue-starved so they'd want as wide a distribution as possible on their games to recoup costs (maybe they are, but they still aren't willing to port). Just don't know what to say. smh

It's legitimately baffling. Square Enix (who is now porting Directors Cut to other consoles),Capcom, and Square pretty much are acting like the system didn't exist. And boy I'll wait for NPD sales thread for a more expanded version to talk about western developers but I have never seen a console so thoroughly treated like trash by the entire industry. Nintendo is pretty much on their own.

 

[Road]

Guys, wait for TGS...

 

[Sandfox]

The games the Wii U has coming should do pretty decent. I don;t think there really is all that much competition outside of Pokemon, Mario Party, and Lightning Returns. DK and Mario coming out so close to each other will be interesting but the fact that they come out in November and December makes it seem a bit safer to me.

I'm still curious as to whether there will be a price drop before the holidays.

 

[schuelma]

Luckily for Nintendo Sony decided to not even launch this year so the 3DS will just kill everything instead.

Where was this confirmed?

 

[Spiegel]

Look, I am not going to defend the content of what Nintendo announced, in terms of creativity and ambition- but equating Wii U's lineup for Japan to Vita is just disingenuous. There is really no comparison there.

Between July 15th and the end of the 2002 GC had these releases:

- Super Mario Sunshine
- PSO 1&2
- Starfox Adventures
- Eternal Darkness
- Mario Party 4
- Resident Evil 0
- The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker

And some other third party games such as: Super Monkey Ball 2, One Piece and Momotaru Dentsetsu 11.

The console sold 620k units in that period of time. And it had had a 20% pricecut one month before the release of Sunshine.

When/If Pikmin and Super Luigi U get released and start selling WiiU I will change my opinion about the announced software not greatly affecting the hardware sales. Until now this year is looking like a repeat of Gamecube '03. It wasn't meant to be taken literally but that's why I put WiiU and Vita together.

 

[schuelma]

Until now this year is looking like a repeat of Gamecube '03. It wasn't meant to be taken literally but that's why I put WiiU and Vita together.

That's fine, but that is completely different from what you originally posted.

Personally I think Nintendo needs a price cut to really get any traction.

 

[metalslimer]

Where was this confirmed?

I was seeing everyone else talk about it, so assumed it would be true. But the lack of a Yen price last night seemed weird if they are launching this year

Personally I think Nintendo needs a price cut to really get any traction.

Nintendo will never price drop to 20k yen. The Wii is still 20k yen!!! They also have the 3DS XL at it. Price is not the issue at all in Japan

 

[idlewild_]

Where was this confirmed?

I don't think they officially said "Not in Japan this year," but their conference and press releases only say NA & Europe and there was no price announced. Based on that, I think people are assuming no Japan for the year.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I was seeing everyone else talk about it, so assumed it would be true. But the lack of a Yen price last night seemed weird if they are launching this year

I imagine that will be a TGS announcement.

My expectation is that it will launch in Oct/Nov in US/EU and December in Japan.

Did Sony announce yen pricing for the PS3/PSV/PSP etc at E3 in the past out of curiosity?

 

[pieatorium]

Nintendo will never price drop to 20k yen. The Wii is still 20k yen!!! They also have the 3DS XL at it. Price is not the issue at all in Japan

They 100% need to cut for the west, basic being recalled so a $350 wiiu will get murdered between ps4 $399 and 360 for $199 . I dont see them cutting in the west and not cut in japan.

 

[Spiegel]

That's fine, but that is completely different from what you originally posted.

Personally I think Nintendo needs a price cut to really get any traction.

It's not different from what I posted.

I don't think Vita or WiiU have the software to change their momentum (I explained why I think WiiU doesn't have it in my previous post) and PS4/XBone have no hardware to sell. So it is going to be a lonely place at the very high top for the 3DS.

I should have quoted Road because I was commenting his post.

 

[metalslimer]

They 100% need to cut for the west, basic being recalled so a $350 wiiu will get murdered between ps4 $399 and 360 for $199 . I dont see them cutting in the west and not cut in japan.

They've done this many times most notably with the DS and then the Wii never getting a 2nd price drop

 

[idlewild_]

Did Sony announce yen pricing for the PS3/PSV/PSP etc at E3 in the past out of curiosity?

They did for the PSV and PS3.

The PSP's price was announced at some other event.

 

[Mpl90]

No news from Famitsu? I've read a rumour about both Nobunaga's Ambition and RoTK announced for 3DS.

 

[enishi]

No news from Famitsu? I've read a rumour about both Nobunaga's Ambition and RoTK announced for 3DS.

News from Sinobi, most are 3DS related
http://ameblo.jp/sinobi/entry-11550503759.html

- New 3DS game from the TV program "Battle for Money" (New program derived from "Run for Money", the 4th best selling 3rd party 3DS game in Japan)

- Nobunaga's Ambition for 3DS, modified from the 4th PC game (same as GBA and 2nd DS game) in series. (Sept 19 release)

- RoTK for 3DS, modified from Sangokushi V (Sept 19 release)

- Dark Soul II, PS3/360, 2014 March in Japan

 

[Orgen]

That's (bolded) the result of a system having shitty hardware and software sales. That has nothing to do with whether or not a game sells through 10k or 15k of its shipment. Even if these 3rd-party games were selling 80% of their shipments in the first few weeks, they're still shit sales.

Again - let's say all these games with 20k shipments sell 16k through week 3, instead of 8k or 10k. Is that really the difference between Capcom, Ubisoft, Activision, Namco Bandai, Tecmo Koei pulling their support or not?

"Hey guys, retailers only sold through 10k copies of our game in the 1st month - abandon ship."

or

"Hey guys, retailers sold through 16k copies of our game in the 1st month - woo hoo! Nice sell-through! Here's a train that we want to keep riding!"

The shipments are so small to begin with that the sell-through percentage is damn near meaningless on these titles.

Not everything has to be black or white. I'm not saying that having a high sellthrough = more games, but having a low sellthrough is equal to less games for sure. And less games it's bad for the console, don't you agree?

I had very low expectations for this direct but somehow it didn't meet neither them. What a disaster, the system has been literally gamecubed (with N64 third party support). Nintendo has completely lost the ball.

Had a nice chat yesterday with a very good friend of mine about the Nintendo Direct and whatnot... and I was dumbfounded about what I was being told :|

I'm not going to tell anything concrete but I was left with the impression (this is speculation on my part) that Nintendo is not in Panic Mode or even something similar. So expect polished/no rushed games... but in 2014 and a Christmas with Mario 3D World, Wii Fit, Wii Party... and no big third party games.

Seriously, dumbfounded.

 

[DrWong]

Congratulations to Mpl90 for winning by units and Bruno MB, by percentage.

BY UNITS                             BY PERCENTAGE

  8   220,719  Orgen                    8  133.0%  DrWong
 11   241,719  DrWong                  
[/QUOTE]

[quote="Road, post: 62230773"]Congratulations to [B]Kenka [/B]for winning by units and [B]Chris1964[/B], by percentage.

[CODE]BY UNITS                             BY PERCENTAGE

  1    62,913  Kenka                    1   43.1%  Chris1964
  2   110,415  DrWong                   2   62.2%  deathcobra
  3   110,439  deathcobra               3   62.4%  Kenka
  4   124,691  Chris1964                4   63.9%  Tratorn
  5   161,521  Tratorn                  5   79.0%  saichi
  6   167,638  lunchwithyuzo            6   86.0%  Road
  7   171,301  Dr. Feel Good            7   95.7%  lunchwithyuzo
  8   177,745  Road                     8   98.9%  frankie_baby
  9   179,205  strangedopamine          9   98.9%  metalslimer
 10   181,231  frankie_baby            10  104.1%  DrWong

Congrat' to the winners. Not that bad for me...

 

[hiska-kun]

News from Sinobi, most are 3DS related
http://ameblo.jp/sinobi/entry-11550503759.html

- New 3DS game from the TV program "Battle for Money" (New program derived from "Run for Money", the 4th best selling 3rd party 3DS game in Japan)

- Nobunaga's Ambition for 3DS, modified from the 4th PC game (same as GBA and 2nd DS game) in series. (Sept 19 release)

- RoTK for 3DS, modified from Sangokushi V (Sept 19 release)

- Dark Soul II, PS3/360, 2014 March in Japan

Can't wait to see this game on the charts.

 

[Mpl90]

News from Sinobi, most are 3DS related
http://ameblo.jp/sinobi/entry-11550503759.html

- New 3DS game from the TV program "Battle for Money" (New program derived from "Run for Money", the 4th best selling 3rd party 3DS game in Japan)

- Nobunaga's Ambition for 3DS, modified from the 4th PC game (same as GBA and 2nd DS game) in series. (Sept 19 release)

- RoTK for 3DS, modified from Sangokushi V (Sept 19 release)

- Dark Soul II, PS3/360, 2014 March in Japan

Thanks! Oh lord, the sequel to Run for Money :lol

 

[Chris1964]

3rd parties have officially abandoned Wii U and I hope we don't get a goalpost moving wait for _______ post. I had really low expectations for what Nintendo's holiday plans were and they surpassed even the lowest one.

We still hear wait for _______ about Vita, you can bet you'll keep hearing it for Wii U.

 

[VAPitts]

I had very low expectations for this direct but somehow it didn't meet neither them. What a disaster, the system has been literally gamecubed (with N64 third party support). Nintendo has completely lost the ball.

lol why am i not suprised