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[gngf123]

in all seriousness someone should make a chalkboard for PS4 in Japan

it will be interesting to see what saves it, we know something has to even 2 yrs from now

The chalkboard shouldn't be for the PS4, it should be the entire console industry in Japan.

Niche games and couple of big hitters every now and then will keep it alive, but people shouldn't expect anything more than that.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

How could Sony mess up PS4's Japanese release so much? They need to start cutting deals with third party devs so that they start moving to current gen sooner than later.

Actually, Japanese publisher doesn't give a shit about consoles

 

[OrbitalBeard]

The state of the console and traditional handheld industry in Japan is heart-breaking.

I wonder if Nintendo's next home console will focus more on the West. I can't imagine it being a big hit in Japan.

 

[Metallix87]

Maybe, but it doesn't have anything the Japanese want. In fact, I believe a console could still do relatively well, if it actually offered compelling content. So far though, both WiiU and PS4 are expensive and don't have games. Obviously this won't sell, but it seems many Japanese devs gave up way too early.

They went where the money is, and that's 3DS and Mobile.

 

[Mpl90]

Honestly I don't see much of a future for consoles in general in Japan.

The Japanese third parties collectively put up the poorest showing I've ever seen at an E3. They're not really interested in competing on this front anymore.

I think it speaks volumes that almost every larger scale Japanese console game shown there was published by a console vendor.

All the big support is between 3DS, Vita and PS3, with PS4 getting one-two things each 15 others announced for the others. Handhelds (or better, mainly Nintendo handhelds) have still many things to say in the market.

The more time passes and this situation doesn't change the more NintendOS approach makes way too much sense for Nintendo.

 

[Nightengale]

How could Sony mess up PS4's Japanese release so much? They need to start cutting deals with third party devs so that they start moving to current gen sooner than later.

Because they don't have EAD and SPD.

The real answer is that this is simply the reality of Japan. Even the shmups for the XB1 are 2015 releases, much less this year.

Japan is two years behind the western development scene when it comes to shifting over to current-gen, with very small exceptions. Even then, the market is diluted with the dedicated handhelds occupying time and money of developers who can develop console games.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I know it is. I'm comparing to previous generations ("historically") and comparing it to the current sales trend. It is abysmal. Without a major uptick, or if Europe takes up the slack completely for both the US and Japan, each console is going to sell less then its predecessor.

I'm not sure how far back historically you're going...

But anybody who has been watching these threads should realise whatever historical importance Japan had as a market [for home consoles] like a decade or more ago has no bearing on it's overall impact on the current console market.

 

[Bruno MB]

Hey, actually things aren't as bad as we think.

This week the home console market is showing a 46% increase y-o-y in terms of units, and even better in terms of revenue.

That recovery!

Spoiler

I know, this is not an NPD thread.

 

[Nirolak]

What exactly does this mean?
No future for consoles in Japan? It's still one of the largest individual markets after the US.
Might as well say you don't see a future for consoles in Canada or Australia or any other of the number of countries lol.

Canada and Australia buy the same games as the US and Western Europe. "The West" is like one giant market you can sell mostly the same games to.

Japan needs games that are targeted at its interests.

If this wasn't the case, then we'd have much better sales on the PS4 in Japan to match how it's doing in all the other major regions where consoles do well.

 

[KooopaKid]

Good for MK8. Almost 500,000!

Everyone with common sense.

You should check back old threads, a lot of Gaffers were saying PS4 would have no competition and be the console to go to in Japan.

 

[Tripon]

FF15 will most likely still be a million seller in its first few weeks, whereas Mario Kart is far off from that, so I'd think FF15's PS4 bump will be considerably higher than Mario Kart's Wii U bump.

Still won't do much if FF15 is, say, 2016.

That game is vaporware at the moment and nobody should give S-E the benefit of the doubt. This is the same mismanaged S-E they have been since the PS3 era has started.

 

[holysan]

The overall YTD drop hurts

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Honestly I don't see much of a future for consoles in general in Japan.

The Japanese third parties collectively put up the poorest showing I've ever seen at an E3. They're not really interested in competing on this front anymore.

I think it speaks volumes that almost every larger scale Japanese console game shown there was published by a console vendor.

this oddly puts WiiU in far better shape in Japan in the next 18+ months smh it is strange

 

[ThatStupidLion]

the fork has been stuck. vita regressing to old levels.

 

[1st Course]

Honestly I don't see much of a future for consoles in general in Japan.

The Japanese third parties collectively put up the poorest showing I've ever seen at an E3. They're not really interested in competing on this front anymore.

I think it speaks volumes that almost every larger scale Japanese console game shown there was published by a console vendor.

I'm still surprised that Capcom didn't announce RE7. I was 100% sure they will announce it on E3 but they didn't.

 

[jakncoke]

So the console market leader is only selling ~200K/month currently in the US and Japan combined, which historically are the two lead markets. Not a good current trend. It will be interesting to see when this rate increases...or if it drops even lower.

Japan days of leading consoles having their 2nd most console sales for a country coming from Japan are over. When the gen is over it'll be interesting to see which countries ltd are higher than whatever Japan manages to reach.

 

[Tripon]

The chalkboard shouldn't be for the PS4, it should be the entire console industry in Japan.

Niche games and couple of big hitters every now and then will keep it alive, but people shouldn't expect anything more than that.

A chalkboard for all the chalkboards!

Spoiler

Yes, I know its a terrible joke I already used. >_>

 

[Principate]

All the big support is between 3DS, Vita and PS3, with PS4 getting one-two things each 15 others announced for the others. Handhelds (or better, mainly Nintendo handhelds) have still many things to say in the market.

The more time passes and this situation doesn't change the more NintendOS approach makes way too much sense for Nintendo.

Yeah all systems play the same games probably upgrade the handheld tech every year or two to keep up to date with smartphones, ideally a second android OS for f2p games. Seems like the best bet outside of ditch hardware completely.

 

[KtSlime]

Sheesh, its only been out in Japan for like 4 months. Can we give it at least one holiday season before declaring the PS4 dead in Japan?

Without games no amount of capitalist holidays is going to help. It's dead Jim.

No, the PS4 isn't dead in Japan.
Gaming is. We need everyone help now.

It is only dead if you only count console gaming as gaming.

what is coming to the PS4 this holiday?

Nothing worth noting

 

[Smiles and Cries]

The chalkboard shouldn't be for the PS4, it should be the entire console industry in Japan.

Niche games and couple of big hitters every now and then will keep it alive, but people shouldn't expect anything more than that.

if it is for the Japan industry as a whole how would we measure the success of this game if we cannot measure the hardware movement?

games me help the WiiU limp to 2m more sales but not sure what is going to shake up Japan for the console market

 

[KillerMan91]

I know it is. I'm comparing to previous generations ("historically") and comparing it to the current sales trend. It is abysmal. Without a major uptick, or if Europe takes up the slack completely for both the US and Japan, each console is going to sell less then its predecessor.

I find it ridiculous how people are already predicting ltd numbers for PS4 and Xbone based on couple of slow spring months. You know that PS3 did under 100k during its first may in US and sold under million consoles during its first year in Japan? Now it's over 80 million worldwide. Of course it could happen that each console sells less than their predecessor but there really is no trend yet outside of Japan for that. PS4 is way way ahead of PS3 launch aligned.

 

[Mpl90]

I'm still surprised that Capcom didn't announce RE7. I was 100% sure they will announce it on E3 but they didn't.

Nintendo stealing our games as soon as we speak!

Or

RE7 f2p: start Leon's story, unlock each chapter for 5 bucks, and buy the other stories' first chapters for 10$ (Chris, Claire)
Featuring touch controls, 0.99 transactions to recharge the guns and the Suarezos, brand new enemy that injects the virus by biting shoulders.

 

[Principate]

A chalkboard for all the chalkboards!

Spoiler

Yes, I know its a terrible joke I already used. >_>

One chalkboard to rule them all one chalkboard to find them one chalkboard to bring them and in the death of the traditional games industry bind them.. In the land of Japan where smartphones reign.

Spoiler

equally bad joke.

 

[Sakura]

Canada and Australia buy the same games as the US and Western Europe. "The West" is like one giant market you can sell mostly the same games to.

Japan needs games that are targeted at its interests.

If this wasn't the case, then we'd have much better sales on the PS4 in Japan to match how it's doing in all the other major regions where consoles do well.

I'm asking what no future for consoles in Japan means. Are you trying to say they will stop selling consoles? Or are you simply saying software sales will continue to get worse?

 

[Nirolak]

I'm still surprised that Capcom didn't announce RE7. I was 100% sure they will announce it on E3 but they didn't.

Feel free to add anything I missed.

Japanese third party published/Japanese developed games on PS4/XB1/WiiU at E3, per publisher:

Konami: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (PS4/XB1/360/PS3, actually globalized development between LA and bringing in 30% foreign staff, which given Konami, is surprising)
Square Enix: Final Fantasy Type-0 HD (PS4/XB1, PSP port)
Gung-Ho: Let It Die (F2P)
Bandai Namco: Dragon Ball XV (PS4/XB1/360/PS3), One Piece Unlimited World Red (Wii U, 3DS port)
Sega: Nope.
Koei-Tecmo: I think Nintendo is publishing Hyrule Warriors everywhere, but not 100% sure. However, they did show Dynasty Warriors I think?
Capcom: You can stream the PS3 version of Ultra Street Fighter IV on PS4 over PS Cloud.
Kemco: Alphadia Genesis (Wii U, Android game port)

 

[RiggyRob]

Nintendo stealing our games as soon as we speak!

Or

RE7 f2p: start Leon's story, unlock each chapter for 5 bucks, and buy the other stories' first chapters for 10$ (Chris, Claire)
Featuring touch controls, 0.99 transactions to recharge the guns and the Suarezos, brand new enemy that injects the virus by biting shoulders.

Hey now, biting someone is a sign of affection in Uruguay.

I think, with the exception of Bloodborne releasing, the Wii U will stay ahead of the PS4 throughout 2015.

 

[Nirolak]

I'm asking what no future for consoles in Japan means. Are you trying to say they will stop selling consoles? Or are you simply saying software sales will continue to get worse?

Oh, just that the sales will continue to get worse. Or in other words, that their effective relevance to the overall market will be very little.

I suspect the systems will always still show up in the region for what little is left.

It's like how we still have retail versions of some PC games despite them often selling next to nothing through that venue.

 

[MoogleWizard]

PS4 deserves these sales tbh, just like Wii U did in the beginning. Consoles with no games shouldn't sell.

 

[sörine]

I think it speaks volumes that almost every larger scale Japanese console game shown there was published by a console vendor.

Published by one console vendor at that for the most part. Outside Nintendo for AAA console games there was just Bloodborne, Scaleforge, MGSV and maybe Phantom Dust depending on who's actually making it.

 

[Asd202]

Feel free to add anything I missed.

Japanese third party published/Japanese developed games on PS4/XB1/WiiU at E3, per publisher:

Konami: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (PS4/XB1/360/PS3, actually globalized development between LA and bringing in 30% foreign staff, which given Konami, is surprising)
Square Enix: Final Fantasy Type-0 HD (PS4/XB1, PSP port)
Gung-Ho: Let It Die (F2P)
Bandai Namco: Dragon Ball XV (PS4/XB1/360/PS3)
Sega: Nope.
Koei-Tecmo: I think Nintendo is publishing Hyrule Warriors everywhere, but not 100% sure. However, they did show Dynasty Warriors I think?
Capcom: You can stream the PS3 version of Ultra Street Fighter IV on PS4 over PS Cloud.

This is just so abyssmal smh.

 

[Nightengale]

Hey now, biting someone is a sign of affection in Uruguay.

I think, with the exception of Bloodborne releasing, the Wii U will stay ahead of the PS4 throughout 2015.

Nah, PES 15 will give PS4 a respectable boost for a little bit. It's cross-gen, but it should move some hardware.

 

[Principate]

Oh, just that the sales will continue to get worse. Or in other words, that their effective relevance to the overall market will be very little.

I suspect the systems will always still show up in the region for what little is left.

It's like how we still have retail versions of some PC games despite them often selling next to nothing through that venue.

They exist or Amazon pretty much.

 

[shinra-bansho]

There's that Sonic game too? But I think Nintendo is co-funding?

I'm asking what no future for consoles in Japan means. Are you trying to say they will stop selling consoles? Or are you simply saying software sales will continue to get worse?

The lack of a domestic market on home consoles means publishers need to make choices about where better to direct their resources. For some, this will mean developing towards the Western market, even more-so than they are already. For others it will be in realms like mobile and F2P PC; or a combination of both.

Smaller niche titles will probably remain relatively unaffected right now, as they built towards smaller audiences and are costed appropriately. But big budget endeavors primarily focused on the Japanese market are probably in more precarious positions.

 

[mclem]

The other platorms didn't just receive a sequel to a multimillion seller.

Do the other platforms even have multimillion sellers to receive sequels to?

 

[Mpl90]

Well, yeah, we know PES 2015 is coming to PS4, so that's something for sure.

I'm wondering if it'll sell well enough to have even a small effect on hardware sales.

 

[Currygan]

MK8 showing legs, good although expected

 

[Tripon]

Feel free to add anything I missed.

Japanese third party published/Japanese developed games on PS4/XB1/WiiU at E3, per publisher:

Konami: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (PS4/XB1/360/PS3, actually globalized development between LA and bringing in 30% foreign staff, which given Konami, is surprising)
Square Enix: Final Fantasy Type-0 HD (PS4/XB1, PSP port)
Gung-Ho: Let It Die (F2P)
Bandai Namco: Dragon Ball XV (PS4/XB1/360/PS3)
Sega: Nope.
Koei-Tecmo: I think Nintendo is publishing Hyrule Warriors everywhere, but not 100% sure. However, they did show Dynasty Warriors I think?
Capcom: You can stream the PS3 version of Ultra Street Fighter IV on PS4 over PS Cloud.

Koei-Tecmo is publishing Hyrule Warriors as Zelda Mouso in Japan. Natsume is doing some small indie stuff. I suppose Sonic Boom counts since Sega is handling publishing rights for all regions despite Nintendo consoles exclusivity?

 

[biglittleps]

Good for MK8. Almost 500,000!



You should check back old threads, a lot of Gaffers were saying PS4 would have no competition and be the console to go to in Japan.

It is when games start coming to PS4, right now there are no games that interests Japan which is exclusive to PS4. In a year, PS4 will be do good in Japan when they have games like Bloodborne, Deep down, MGS 5, many unannounced games meant for Japan etc.,

 

[Days like these...]

Good for MK8. Almost 500,000!



You should check back old threads, a lot of Gaffers were saying PS4 would have no competition and be the console to go to in Japan.

I agree this revisionism is amusing. The ps 4 was supposed to save Japan and outsell the ps triple *cough psycho mantis*. The ps 4 was supposed to sell on hype alone and pent up demand for a 'true' next gen system like in the west. Now suddenly everyone knew the ps 4 would do this badly.

 

[small44]

Maybe, but it doesn't have anything the Japanese want. In fact, I believe a console could still do relatively well, if it actually offered compelling content. So far though, both WiiU and PS4 are expensive and don't have games. So obviously they don''t sell, but it seems many Japanese devs gave up way too early.

98% of smartphones games sells revenue are from free to play it dosn't look like traditionnal games is doing well on smartphones so i believe 3rd party will start support ps4 soon or later
Sony should make a special bundle of MGS5 just like Ps3 MGS4 bundle Ps3 sale sold 75k on MGS4 week compared to 11k in the previous week.

 

[sörine]

Feel free to add anything I missed.

Japanese third party published/Japanese developed games on PS4/XB1/WiiU at E3, per publisher:

Konami: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (PS4/XB1/360/PS3, actually globalized development between LA and bringing in 30% foreign staff, which given Konami, is surprising)
Square Enix: Final Fantasy Type-0 HD (PS4/XB1, PSP port)
Gung-Ho: Let It Die (F2P)
Bandai Namco: Dragon Ball XV (PS4/XB1/360/PS3)
Sega: Nope.
Koei-Tecmo: I think Nintendo is publishing Hyrule Warriors everywhere, but not 100% sure. However, they did show Dynasty Warriors I think?
Capcom: You can stream the PS3 version of Ultra Street Fighter IV on PS4 over PS Cloud.

Well if you're counting literally everything then Wii U also had One Piece Unlimited World Red (3DS port) and Alphadia Genesis (Android port).

 

[Immaculate]

PS4 deserves these sales tbh, just like Wii U did in the beginning. Consoles with no games shouldn't sell.

Wii U had 2D Mario and Monster Hunter at launch. Not even close

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Pokken was not shown at E3, I believe for only one reason, Pokken Amiibos are not yet ready and they want Smash to go first


now would Japan jump on LOVE PLUS amiibos ?

 

[RiggyRob]

Nah, PES 15 will give PS4 a respectable boost for a little bit. It's cross-gen, but it should move some hardware.

Is PES more popular in Japan than FIFA? Cause I was under the impression it wasn't, and I didn't see FIFA do anything significant for the PS4. Also, yeah, cross-gen - why would they buy it on PS4 if it's the same game on PS3? It's not even like it'll look that much better.

 

[Nirolak]

Koei-Tecmo is publishing Hyrule Warriors as Zelda Mouso in Japan. Natsume is doing some small indie stuff. I suppose Sonic Boom counts since Sega is handling publishing rights for all regions despite Nintendo consoles exclusivity?

Sonic Boom is developed in the West though.

Well if you're counting literally everything then Wii U also had One Piece Unlimited World Red (3DS port) and Alphadia Genesis (Android port).

Yep, those are fair.

 

[BadWolf]

Feel free to add anything I missed.

Japanese third party published/Japanese developed games on PS4/XB1/WiiU at E3, per publisher:

Konami: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (PS4/XB1/360/PS3, actually globalized development between LA and bringing in 30% foreign staff, which given Konami, is surprising)
Square Enix: Final Fantasy Type-0 HD (PS4/XB1, PSP port)
Gung-Ho: Let It Die (F2P)
Bandai Namco: Dragon Ball XV (PS4/XB1/360/PS3)
Sega: Nope.
Koei-Tecmo: I think Nintendo is publishing Hyrule Warriors everywhere, but not 100% sure. However, they did show Dynasty Warriors I think?
Capcom: You can stream the PS3 version of Ultra Street Fighter IV on PS4 over PS Cloud.

Yeah their E3 showing overall was embarrassing.

At Giant Bomb they mentioned that the Konami booth was pretty much empty space filled with nothing. They only came so that no one would take their spot on the show floor and were hard at work trying to prevent people from taking pictures and videos of their empty booth.

They said that Capcom's area was similar.

 

[Mpl90]

Is PES more popular in Japan than FIFA? Cause I was under the impression it wasn't, and I didn't see FIFA do anything significant for the PS4.

See the charts

Winning Eleven = PES. And that's just a special version for the World Cup.

 

[Nightengale]

Is PES more popular in Japan than FIFA? Cause I was under the impression it wasn't, and I didn't see FIFA do anything significant for the PS4.

Way, way, way more popular.

 

[Somnid]

Really makes me wonder what can be done about this. Surely Nintendo's next effort will try to bring Japanese devs in, I just wonder how they could go about doing that. I don't think a hybrid is really the answer but how do you make a stationary console attractive to the JApanese audience again? What exactly caused them to drop it so hard anyway? Certainly F2P phone games are very different beasts, was it really a mass exodus from pizza to hamburgers to never eat pizza again?

 

[DrROBschiz]

Yeah their E3 showing overall was embarrassing.

At Giant Bomb they mentioned that the Konami booth was pretty much empty space filled with nothing. They only came so that no one would take their spot on the show floor and were hard at work trying to prevent people from taking pictures and videos of their empty booth.

They said that Capcom's area was similar.

Wasn't Deep Down there as well?