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[Dee Dee]

So would Dragon Quest XI on Wii U or on mobile be the least expected outcome?
(I guess Wii U version is only topped by Xbox One exclusivity.)

What's the chance of it coming to PC in the west by the way? I know Square-Enix aren't on the forefront of Japanese developers that bring their offers to Steam in a timely manner, but is it out of the question?

Come on guys, the DQXI crazy train is pulling into the station, hop on one last time!

Edit: Top of the page, stirring the pot!

 

[crinale]

Maybe he had access to the magazine? And I'm sure Square Enix invited retailers to the conference.

He explicitly said it'd be tough to go to the hotel because of the weather so yes I think he's been invited. The thing is you'd have to be certain position or higher in the store to have privilege to go to such kind of event IMHO.

 

[sense]

So would Dragon Quest XI on Wii U or on mobile be the least expected outcome?
(I guess Wii U version is only topped by Xbox One exclusivity.)

What's the chance of it coming to PC in the west by the way? I know Square-Enix aren't on the forefront of Japanese developers that bring their offers to Steam in a timely manner, but is it out of the question?

Come on guys, the DQXI crazy train is pulling into the station, hop on one last time!

Edit: Top of the page, stirring the pot!

pc is likely for the west. I would think it will release first on ps4 before anything else though as far as the west is concerned. same deal as ff7 remake. first on ps4 then pc down the line.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Thank goodness.


DQ talk was getting annoying in its current state

We're long past gettting.

 

[Scum]

So would Dragon Quest XI on Wii U or on mobile be the least expected outcome?
(I guess Wii U version is only topped by Xbox One exclusivity.)

What's the chance of it coming to PC in the west by the way? I know Square-Enix aren't on the forefront of Japanese developers that bring their offers to Steam in a timely manner, but is it out of the question?


Come on guys, the DQXI crazy train is pulling into the station, hop on one last time!

Edit: Top of the page, stirring the pot!

Yep. My money's on PS4 & PS3 first. Possibly Vita. Maybe NX Home/NX Go (if NCL play their cards right) as other options at a later time.

 

[ZSaberLink]

We're long past gettting.

So we're at row 3, col 3 of your avatar then?

On a completely separate note, it does seem like DQX continues to half-decently on Wii U. You think even Nintendo is ever going to try to get that audience with some game (an eShop title even?)? Or was that what Xeno X & FE# turned out to be going for?

 

[Scum]

So we're at row 3, col 3 of your avatar then?

On a completely separate note, it does seem like DQX continues to half-decently on Wii U. You think even Nintendo is ever going to try to get that audience with some game (an eShop title even?)? Or was that what Xeno X & FE# turned out to be going for?

Nah. It'll be DQXI, innit.

 

[Mory Dunz]

We're long past gettting.

I wonder what the number is of people are who are interested in DQ to actually play it or are interested because of implications/sales/console handheld/lineups/"Is there any reason...", etc. I would guess it's skewed towards the latter compared to other AAA games.

When I first started following sales....like in 2012 I think...I was definitely the latter too. I don't care about DQ as a game, but when I found media create threads years ago and saw DQ was one of the biggest franchises, I was interested in implications of a new DQ being handheld, console, sales stuff, whatever. I wonder how many people are similar to that today.

But as of now, I just don't care anymore. Just let the game be announced and come out. All the arguing over platforms and stuff is tiring and unnecessary. Most of it is just retreading.

If you're mad it's not on the 3DS/PS4/Vita/WiiU I just hope it's because you actually wanted to play it.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

I would DIE if they announced DQXI for Wii U.

I know it's totally impossible but I have always lived for the meltdowns. :lol

Spoiler

unless its mh on vita because i have no plans of ever buying a vita, unless, of course, if they announce a mh for vita

 

[Sandfox]

I would DIE if they announced DQXI for Wii U.

I know it's totally impossible but I have always lived for the meltdowns. :lol

Spoiler

unless its mh on vita because i have no plans of ever buying a vita, unless, of course, if they announce a mh for vita

There are going to be meltdowns no matter what.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

There are going to be meltdowns no matter what.

True, but at this point most have accepted that DQXI is a PS4 game. The shocking factor is gone.

 

[Sandfox]

True, but at this point most have accepted that DQXI is a PS4 game. The shocking factor is gone.

I think you'll be surprised when people start reacting to the announcement.

 

[Vena]

There are going to be meltdowns no matter what.

I just don't see what you'd melt down over at this point. Insiders may as well have spelled it out, and there's been time enough to come to terms with it or w/e for those exceptionally attached to the concept.

 

[Sandfox]

I just don't see what you'd melt down over at this point. Insiders may as well have spelled it out, and there's been time enough to come to terms with it or w/e for those exceptionally attached to the concept.

People are going to complain that SE made the wrong decision no matter what and there are always people who aren't following the news/signs as much as some of us here.

 

[Scum]

I just don't see what you'd melt down over at this point. Insiders may as well have spelled it out, and there's been time enough to come to terms with it or w/e for those exceptionally attached to the concept.

You'd be amazed at the lengths some will put themselves through just to be pissed off at a perfectly fine decision.

I wonder what the number is of people are who are interested in DQ to actually play it or are interested because of implications/sales/console handheld/lineups/"Is there any reason...", etc. I would guess it's skewed towards the latter compared to other AAA games.

When I first started following sales....like in 2012 I think...I was definitely the latter too. I don't care about DQ as a game, but when I found media create threads years ago and saw DQ was one of the biggest franchises, I was interested in implications of a new DQ being handheld, console, sales stuff, whatever. I wonder how many people are similar to that today.

But as of now, I just don't care anymore. Just let the game be announced and come out. All the arguing over platforms and stuff is tiring and unnecessary. Most of it is just retreading.

If you're mad it's not on the 3DS/PS4/Vita/WiiU I just hope it's because you actually wanted to play it.

Like fuck I do! I want it on my console of choice, you hear me Mory! MY CONSOLE OF CHOICE! Or there'll be Hell to pay!

 

[1st Course]

I think most people just want another DQ in the vein of DQVIII. Whenever you see a dragon quest most of the comments are in the like of "I hope it is like DQVIII", "hope it is 3d and open world" etc.

 

[Scum]

I think most people just want another DQ in the vein of DQVIII. Whenever you see a dragon quest most of the comments are in the like of "I hope it is like DQVIII", "hope it is 3d and open world" etc.

idon'tbelieveyou.webm

 

[Mory Dunz]

I think most people just want another DQ in the vein of DQVIII. Whenever you see a dragon quest most of the comments are in the like of "I hope it is like DQVIII", "hope it is 3d and open world" etc.

What's "most" mean though? I still feel console comes first from I've seen

Like, if it was 3d, open world, looked terrific, and was a PS4 exclusive, people would rage.

Likewise, if it was 3d, open world, looked terrific, and was a Wii U exclusive, people would rage (harder).

or if it was 3d, open world, looked....um....and was 3DS, people would water bend tears.


So dunno, console gets brought up more than gameplay imo.

 

[Vena]

I think most people just want another DQ in the vein of DQVIII. Whenever you see a dragon quest most of the comments are in the like of "I hope it is like DQVIII", "hope it is 3d and open world" etc.

I must be weird, lol, as the only DQ mainlines I've ever managed to finish without hitting the mythical "RPG boredom wall" were DQW, DQV, and DQIX. Most of the others, from DQW to DQVIII bored me after I got worn out on the predictable plot and characters lol.

One thing you'll notice is that all three were not about premade characters lol. I also played them all on handhelds, DQW was on... What the gameboy?

Then again, I've never been the biggest DQ fan.

 

[Sandfox]

I must be weird, lol, as the only DQ mainlines I've ever managed to finish without hitting the mythical "RPG boredom wall" were DQW, DQV, and DQIX. Most of the others, from DQW to DQVIII bored me after I got worn out on the predictable plot and characters lol.

One thing you'll notice is that all three were not about premade characters lol. I also played them all on handhelds, DQW was on... What the gameboy?

Then again, I've never been the biggest DQ fan.

IX and to a lesser extent V were the only ones I've really cared about as well.

 

[Scum]

FFVI Remake or bust!

 

[theprodigy]

I know it's impossible, but I kind of wish DQXI were on everything except the 3DS just to see what the reactions would be like.

 

[Wiggy]

I know it's impossible, but I kind of wish DQXI were on everything except the 3DS just to see what the reactions would be like.

 

[Sage00]

Like, if it was 3d, open world, looked terrific, and was a PS4 exclusive, people would rage.

Would they though? This is like, objectively the best scenario for any AAA game (or Xbox One exclusive, doesn't make much difference but that's impossible in Japan).

 

[Mory Dunz]

Would they though? This is like, objectively the best scenario for any AAA game (or Xbox One exclusive, doesn't make much difference but that's impossible in Japan).

Seems like it to me.
Basically what I'm getting at is that people will rage regardless of how the game looks.


...Unless it's announced for like every system.

So I feel like console is coming before the game itself as of now.

 

[Vena]

I know it's impossible, but I kind of wish DQXI were on everything except the 3DS just to see what the reactions would be like.

Wouldn't it be better if it were on nothing but the WiiU? Or X1 even. I think that's actually more dangerous than 3DS-exclu-ded-sive.

IX and to a lesser extent V were the only ones I've really cared about as well.

I've just always been a fan of creating my own hero team in DQ games, and I think that is in no small part to how I started with them with DWIII and DQM when I was a wee kid. Making your make-believe team of Warrior lady, Saint dude, and Priest lady, and being the hero! Same thing with DQM, just replace the roster with your favorite monsters. With all that imagination, I made those games excellent myself looking back and nothing really live up to it nowadays.

But I really liked DQV for much the same reason, and DQIX hit nostalgia hard on the team making and experimenting. Nowadays, I actually care more about Joker and Monsters, than I do about DQ: The Roman Numeral.

Of course, I am also one of those crazy people who actually finished Bravely Default but couldn't be assed to finish DQ:IV, DQ:VI, and VIII all of which I've actually tried restarting a few times over the last few years.

If SOV turns out decent, I'll finally pick up a PS4 and buy DQ:XI just to not play it to completion, again, no doubt. Or I'll just steal my friends PS4 again like with Bloodborne, lol.

 

[MasterSheen]

You must be confusing the U.S with Japan. 3DS didn't had a strong start in Japan at all, it didn't really take off till Nintendo dropped the price.

http://i.imgur.com/Boovb.png

In U.S the 3DS was tracking ahead of the DS in its first years, but was below the GBA. Not sure where you got the record breaking sales thing from.

The 3DS sold 5m in its first year, more than any other system before it.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Ouya timed exclusive. Amazon Fire after 6 months.

 

[heidern]

You must be confusing the U.S with Japan. 3DS didn't had a strong start in Japan at all, it didn't really take off till Nintendo dropped the price.

http://i.imgur.com/Boovb.png

In U.S the 3DS was tracking ahead of the DS in its first but was below the GBA. Not sure where you got the record breaking sales thing from.

http://www.vg247.com/2012/01/27/3ds-is-now-nintendos-fastest-selling-console-worldwide/

The 3DS wasn't the fastest launch, but the fastest selling after the first 52 weeks. This is in each of Japan, US and Europe.

Are you talking about Japan ? Because if it's the case I can hardly believe than what you're saying is serious, there's not a single dedicated device that sold 10M in one year

Yes I am talking Japan. Lets say 4DS launches with Pokemon. That's a killer app that can get it to 4 or 5 million. Monster Hunter which I assume has a largely distinct audience would sell another 2 or 3 million systems. Animal Crossing which has a different appeal in many ways as well to some extent could sell another couple million systems. That's approaching 10M just on the back of 3 killer apps(let's assume there's also an ok library of smaller games to go with them).

Then you could have Yokai Watch as well as other potential million or double million sellers like Mario/Kart/Smash/Splatoon.

Now in reality this won't happen since they'll probably spread the games out over a couple of years rather than get them all out at launch, but if they did then 10M in year is achievable. 3DS did 5M the first year(Feb 2011 to Feb 2012) having struggled with the launch price. So realistically I think 4DS will sell 6-7M the first two years and then most likely decline the third year.

 

[Sandfox]

http://www.vg247.com/2012/01/27/3ds-is-now-nintendos-fastest-selling-console-worldwide/

The 3DS wasn't the fastest launch, but the fastest selling after the first 52 weeks. This is in each of Japan, US and Europe.



Yes I am talking Japan. Lets say 4DS launches with Pokemon. That's a killer app that can get it to 4 or 5 million. Monster Hunter which I assume has a largely distinct audience would sell another 2 or 3 million systems. Animal Crossing which has a different appeal in many ways as well to some extent could sell another couple million systems. That's approaching 10M just on the back of 3 killer apps(let's assume there's also an ok library of smaller games to go with them).

Then you could have Yokai Watch as well as other potential million or double million sellers like Mario/Kart/Smash/Splatoon.

Now in reality this won't happen since they'll probably spread the games out over a couple of years rather than get them all out at launch, but if they did then 10M in year is achievable. 3DS did 5M the first year(Feb 2011 to Feb 2012) having struggled with the launch price. So realistically I think 4DS will sell 6-7M the first two years and then most likely decline the third year.

I think there would way too much overlap for that to happen and moving that many devices over a year in Japan is just crazy.

 

[1st Course]

The 3DS sold 5m in its first year, more than any other system before it.

Yeah but it didn't had a strong start as you can see in the chart, after the price cut it exploded though.

 

[saichi]

Would they though? This is like, objectively the best scenario for any AAA game (or Xbox One exclusive, doesn't make much difference but that's impossible in Japan).

maybe for any AAA game that target market is not Japan.

 

[Sandfox]

Yeah but it didn't had a strong start as you can see in the chart, after the price cut it exploded though.

I don't think anyone claimed otherwise lol.

 

[hiska-kun]

First Day Sell-Through {2015.07.23}

[PS3] [PS4] Sengoku Basara 4: Sumeragi # <ACT> (Capcom) (¥6.469) (¥7.549) - Sales PS3 > PS4 - Sell-through PS4 > PS3 around 40%

[PSV] Makaigami Trillion # <RPG> (Compile Heart) (¥7.344) - almost 60%

[3DS] Langrisser: Re:Incarnation Tensei <RPG> (Extreme) (¥5.980) - 30%

Rabbids Land

[3DS] Hoppechan: Punitto Shibotte Daibouken! <ACT> (Nippon Columbia) (¥5.184)

 

[Vena]

First Day Sell-Through {2015.07.23}

[PS3] [PS4] Sengoku Basara 4: Sumeragi # <ACT> (Capcom) (¥6.469) (¥7.549) - Sales PS3 > PS4 - Sell-through PS4 > PS3 around 40%

[3DS] Langrisser: Re:Incarnation Tensei <RPG> (Extreme) (¥5.980) - 30%

Neither of these sound like very good openings.

 

[Takao]

I wonder if there will be a Sengoku Basara 5. The fourth game saw significant contraction from the third, the IP has failed in the west multiple times (not the MH/DQ "we sold 250k+ but still a flop!" kind of failure) and its future home would be PS4 ...

 

[ZSaberLink]

I think you'll be surprised when people start reacting to the announcement.

Really? Would people be reacting in a bad way when most of neogaf is Sony focused to begin with?

First Day Sell-Through {2015.07.23}

[PS3] [PS4] Sengoku Basara 4: Sumeragi # <ACT> (Capcom) (¥6.469) (¥7.549) - Sales PS3 > PS4 - Sell-through PS4 > PS3 around 40%

Japanese game selling more on PS4 than PS3? Are the tides slowly shifting (aka the PS3 is just dying)?

 

[Sage00]

I wonder if there will be a Sengoku Basara 5. The fourth game saw significant contraction from the third, the IP has failed in the west multiple times (not the MH/DQ "we sold 250k+ but still a flop!" kind of failure) and its future home would be PS4 ...

Those games cost like 20 cents to make and the mixed media stuff does really well. It's not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[heidern]

Yeah but it didn't had a strong start as you can see in the chart, after the price cut it exploded though.

The first few months were not strong but the first full year was. There also haven't been further price cuts since then. Looking at the potential for the 4DS I see the following:

Potential upsides:
Better pricing including 2 or 3 price cuts during the life cycle.
Better launch to give momentum.
Yokai Watch early in the lifecycle.
Ditto for Smash as well as Splatoon making a transition.
Seeing the success of Yokai Watch Level 5 take more risks and make more new IPs. Other 3rd parties might also be encouraged to take risks.
If Sony don't release another handheld then some of its library as well as audience could migrate across.
Capability for modern software engines could attract some developers that avoided 3DS.
Nintendo may have been complacent with the 3DS and not tried to release games that grow the market. They may take more risks on new IP with the 4DS.
People get bored with mobile games.
People get fed up with mobile games and their irritating attempts at exploitation.
Minecraft?
Nintendo mobile games spread the brand or are successfully implemented as part of their sales funnel for dedicated hardware.

Potential downsides:
Increased development costs will reduce the number of games and the frequency of the games that are released.
Pokemon/Monster Hunter etc may suffer from franchise fatigue.
3rd parties pull out of/cut back in the dedicated space as they don't see growth potential and invest in mobile instead.
People increasingly switching to mobile.
Nintendo mobile games satisfy users and they don't bother with handhelds.
Yokai Watch could be a fad that suffers a rapid decline.
Diminishing returns means people stick with their 3DS and it's extensive library of games.
Nintendo might have run out of ideas.

 

[Vena]

Japanese game selling more on PS4 than PS3? Are the tides slowly shifting (aka the PS3 is just dying)?

That's not what that says, lol.

 

[dakkumauji]

First Day Sell-Through {2015.07.23}

[PS3] [PS4] Sengoku Basara 4: Sumeragi # <ACT> (Capcom) (¥6.469) (¥7.549) - Sales PS3 > PS4 - Sell-through PS4 > PS3 around 40%

Kinda interesting that demand for the PS4 version was higher than expected.

I wonder if there will be a Sengoku Basara 5. The fourth game saw significant contraction from the third, the IP has failed in the west multiple times (not the MH/DQ "we sold 250k+ but still a flop!" kind of failure) and its future home would be PS4 ...

I'm pretty sure it's being held up by all the additional merchandise, stage plays, collabs with local events, manga, seiyuu events, etc, etc that it generates to have lackluster sales

I don't think capcom has literally anything else that has so much things for its fanbase

 

[Vena]

Kinda interesting that demand for the PS4 version was higher than expected.

That's not what that says either.

 

[dakkumauji]

That's not what that says either.

that there was a higher sell through rate for the ps4 version than the ps3 which means that more people bought the ps4 version (but doesn't mean more copies) than what preorders and other data would have suggested?

 

[Takao]

Yeah, that says unit sales are higher on PS3 but sell through is lower than the PS4 version because Capcom shipped more copies.

 

[Vena]

that there was a higher sell through rate for the ps4 version than the ps3 which means that more people bought the ps4 version (but doesn't mean more copies) than what preorders and other data would have suggested?

Sell-through without knowing actual shipment numbers doesn't tell you anything about demand. There could have been 10 copies of PS4 sold and 11 shipped, and the PS4 would have a higher sell through than a 1000 copies of PS3 sold and 10000 shipped.

Demand is higher for the PS3 version because it sold more, sell-through just tells us volume sold of volume shipped.

 

[Xbro]

Before we cut DQ's head off, we can all just hope it goes to everything. PS3/PS4/Vita/WiiU/PC.

That way everyone's happy.

 

[Arzehn]

[3DS] Langrisser: Re:Incarnation Tensei <RPG> (Extreme) (¥5.980) - 30%

Game is getting a bad rap on Amazon too.

 

[Sage00]

Before we cut DQ's head off, we can all just hope it goes to everything. PS3/PS4/Vita/WiiU/PC.

That way everyone's happy.

I wouldn't be. I'd prefer it was exclusive to one platform. Multiplatform development has a ton of drawbacks not limited to longer dev times, opportunity cost of resources, lowest common denominator design, etc.

 

[Vena]

Game is getting a bad rap on Amazon too.

I am going to have go read this. About the only game that has escape getting lashed on Amazon has been Splatoon. lol

I wouldn't be. I'd prefer it was exclusive to one platform. Multiplatform development has a ton of drawbacks not limited to longer dev times, opportunity cost of resources, lowest common denominator design, etc.

That won't happen, so get ready to be disappointed.

 

[trixx]

Wooly bomba. Jeez what a bummer.