To be fair, the Wii was an anomaly. Nobody, not even Nintendo, could have realistically expected Nintendo to match the Wii's success with the Wii U
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Media Create Sales: Week 3, 2013 (Jan 14 - Jan 20)
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To be fair, the Wii was an anomaly. Nobody, not even Nintendo, could have realistically expected Nintendo to match the Wii's success with the Wii U
I felt like it was palpable in the Nintendo Direct video.
The game is very high on eShop sales (#4). The only other full price game in the top 20 is Animal Crossing (#1).
Without the VC titles it's even at #3 and has been for weeks now. NSMB2 is at #19 if you leave out VC.
Iwata: "We're very sorry to inform you that we won't be selling any consoles during January and February."
I'm very curious as to what effect all of the delayed Wii U games releasing in Spring will have. There's no denying that the launch period has been bad, but there may still be an opportunity to revive.
The announcement delay may also have a lot to do with Nintendo being unprepared to release HD games in a timely fashion (i.e., they expected to be able to release games now and aren't) and perhaps to coincide with their earnings release.
I'm very curious as to what effect all of the delayed Wii U games releasing in Spring will have. There's no denying that the launch period has been bad, but there may still be an opportunity to revive.
The announcement delay may also have a lot to do with Nintendo being unprepared to release HD games in a timely fashion (i.e., they expected to be able to release games now and aren't) and perhaps to coincide with their earnings release.
Father_Brain
Banned
Well, yeah. There's no chance they planned on Pikmin 3/Game & Wario/Wii Fit U/Wonderful 101 all slipping out of Q1. One or two of those being delayed out of the launch window was probably their worst-case scenario until late last year.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
There's a whole lotta middle ground between "not matching Wii's success" and "matching Vita's failure".
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Yeah, I mean thats when you could immediately see that shit was beginning to stink in Switzerland. Its even weirder when it seemed like Inafune was pushing to expel his peers there, and now he too has been scratched out. Capcom has been Poke-Saved with Monster Hunter really. After divorcing themselves of pretty much all their talent bar maybe two or three directors left, you get them throwing cash at bargain bin western developers hoping they can keep the rest of their once great empire of franchises ticking over. Shit is going Sega, and swiftly.
Wikipedia says March 2013.
shinra-bansho
Member
Completely agree.
Well for another comparison, I don't think the PS3 dropped below 17K until about March-06 (?).
It's not doing well by any means, but the Vita level of failure is harsh. The Wii U has sold much more software, while the Vita is lounging closer to Wonderswan software sales than Dreamcast. It'll struggle until it gains its feet, but it has a whole buncha properties that will sell the system. I expect it to eventually reach just about NES levels around the world.
Wii U numbers hurt, but it looks like they're buckling down for a resurgence later in the year. Will it work? Only time will tell.
Unlike most, I think nintendo expected a slump at this point to some degree, though not to this extent. Iwata isn't a moron, despite how often it's trumpeted on gaf. They knew there was going to be a drought between launch and Feb/March, but they probably were hoping for longer lasting sales of both NSMBU and Nintendoland. It doesn't help that a lot of the better software on Wii U is western-oriented.
Unlike most, I think nintendo expected a slump at this point to some degree, though not to this extent. Iwata isn't a moron, despite how often it's trumpeted on gaf. They knew there was going to be a drought between launch and Feb/March, but they probably were hoping for longer lasting sales of both NSMBU and Nintendoland. It doesn't help that a lot of the better software on Wii U is western-oriented.
Metallix87
Member
A system is a system. Why are you downplaying the importance of handhelds?
metalslimer
Member
Well the platinum games and Atlus collaborations are good starts, but it seems japanese 3rd parties are either at mobile/Durango+Orbis/3DS. I really don't know where Wii U fits into the equation. If Nintendo wants it they're going to have to go out of there way to get it.
There's Capcom as well but IMO its too early to say anything and things will be more clear when the 3rd party Nintnedo direct comes around if there is a Japanese version.
This is the year of the 3DS regardless of anything that happens with anybody. Nothing can compete with Dragon Quest VII, Monster Hunter 4, and Pokemon X and Y in the same year.
Something something music licenses something something. And yes they are extremely fun games.12./10. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.12} (¥5.040) - 8.408 / 393.485 (-16%)
19./26. [WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Super Deluxe Edition # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.11.29} (¥5.040) - 5.844 / 360.313
dem taikos
Please bring it to the US, digital release, I don't care!
What are you basing this on, especially Durango?
I'd also cite Namco collaborating on Smash Bros. as an example - I've rarely seen Nintendo this aggressive in securing third party relations domestically.
I really don't see DQVII exploding as much as the others, but your point stands.
bigtroyjon
Member
For simplicity sake, all handheld number will not include DS in 2012. Shouldn't really matter as we go further along, amounted to a non relevant % of total sales last year.
PSP+PSV(2012 YTD)=187,247
PSP+PSV(2013 YTD)=140,718(-24.8%)
Looking ahead to week 4, PSP+PSV did 34,950 in 2012.
3DS(2012 YTD)=422,447
3DS(2013 YTD)=453,775(+7.4%)
Looking ahead to week 4, 3DS did 84,789 in 2012.
All Handhelds(2012 YTD)=609,694
All Handhelds(2013 YTD)=594,493(-2.5%)
PSP+PSV(2012 YTD)=187,247
PSP+PSV(2013 YTD)=140,718(-24.8%)
Looking ahead to week 4, PSP+PSV did 34,950 in 2012.
3DS(2012 YTD)=422,447
3DS(2013 YTD)=453,775(+7.4%)
Looking ahead to week 4, 3DS did 84,789 in 2012.
All Handhelds(2012 YTD)=609,694
All Handhelds(2013 YTD)=594,493(-2.5%)
metalslimer
Member
I mean in terms of big budget games that have not had Wii U versions announced. It might be jumping the gun to assume that those traditional big budget games will still be multiplatform for Durango/Orbis, but I guess we'll see in a few months. The collaborations are a great thing for them to be doing, but you can only have so many of those and it doesn't make up if the situation ends up being that they don't have the Metal Gears, Final Fantasies, etc. It just seems like all these platforms are pincer where the 3DS has a lot of the traditional medium budget games- to high budget japanese market aimed games whereas the extremely high budget games will go multiplatform.
If the barometer is Wii's Japanese 3rd party support, I believe they will easily surpass that.
Snowden's Secret
Banned
Wii U is performing at least as well as it's nearest substitute (PS3) so it's not quite on the same level as the Vita.
metalslimer
Member
Just watch the next couple of weeks.
GameCube?
test_account
XP-39C²
Ok, thanks. I wonder when they will announce a reelase date for those game.
Yeah, not a too bad overall drop in my opinion concidering the aging PS3 and PSP (especially the PSP). The drop is 9479 units overall divided on 3 platforms, selling 44.076 units so far this year compared to 53.555 last year.
EDIT: This is for Media Create numbers.
H_Prestige
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It will continue to drop further away from ps3. Also ps3 is a six year old console and the wii u is brand spanking new. Why isn't the 3ds performing the same as the psp?
Snowden's Secret
Banned
PSP is outselling 3DS week to week what?
Good point. Namco was on board and lots of promises were made by Capcom, Square was also reasonably with them for a time, I haven't been following the industry back then so I don't remember much else.
Let's see if they actually do show a Direct focused on 3rd parties. I concede right now things don't look especially good, but I suspect that at the very least Capcom and TecmoKoei are relatively on board.
This is a rather shortsighted thing to say. Do you honestly believe that by the end of the year PS3 won´t be behind WiiU in this years sales? Also PSV is beeing outsold by even older hardware by a bigger margin and you are also ignoring that PS3 got a relatively big release this week with DmC and the difference is only 3k units.
strangedopamine
Member
My analysis the hardware sales this week:
[3DS] Hardware up 16% on last year, a good result especially now that both 3DS/3DSXL are making profits for Nintendo.
[PS3] Hardware only 2K down on last year is a great result for Sony considering the PS3 is in it's 7th year.
[WIU] The Wii U is struggling, this is a fact that can't be denied. With 7th week hardware sales lower than the Vita's, it is in deep trouble for the next three months and these hardware sales will continue to decline.
[PSP] Hardware is holding steady from last year, being down a shade above 800 units. The PSP has shown very stable sales and is doing remarkably well.
[PSV] Once again sales are below 10K although there are a few small titles that may have some small impact on the sales in the next few weeks.
[WII] + [360] Outliers
[3DS] Hardware up 16% on last year, a good result especially now that both 3DS/3DSXL are making profits for Nintendo.
[PS3] Hardware only 2K down on last year is a great result for Sony considering the PS3 is in it's 7th year.
[WIU] The Wii U is struggling, this is a fact that can't be denied. With 7th week hardware sales lower than the Vita's, it is in deep trouble for the next three months and these hardware sales will continue to decline.
[PSP] Hardware is holding steady from last year, being down a shade above 800 units. The PSP has shown very stable sales and is doing remarkably well.
[PSV] Once again sales are below 10K although there are a few small titles that may have some small impact on the sales in the next few weeks.
[WII] + [360] Outliers
We got the Capcom 5, Crystal Chronicles, Soul Calibur 2, F-Zero GX and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting from the GCN era via Nintendo and third party collaborations.
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Just of the top of my head:
Sega - I'm sure we'll see a couple of games like Sonic and Monkey Ball, but they seem to be focused on digital stuff and are contracting.
Konami - Maybe we'll see a port of MGS or Castlevania, but they seem content on ignoring Nintendo platforms for the most part.
Capcom - They seem to be somewhat on board with Monster Hunter, but I have my doubts that they'll really make Resident Evil/Street Fighter a focus. I bet we'll see an Okami/lolMega Man exclusive at some point though.
Square Enix - I think we'll finally see a return of a mainline Final Fantasy game on a Nintendo platform. Dragon Quest is firmly on Nintendo platforms at this point, but Dragon Quest XI is likely for the 3DS. Anything like Sleeping Dogs though will probably not reach the Wii U.
Atlus - Seems like Nintendo has a pretty strong relationship with them. Shin Megami Tensei has become a Nintendo series, Persona 5 has a slight chance at a multiplatform release (although they might just see it as a Playstation exclusive).
Level 5 - I think their focus is on the 3DS. They'll throw Inazuma Eleven on, but I wouldn't expect too much. Maybe they'll throw a new IP on it, since they seem to be trying out new things nowadays.
Namco Bandai - Again, they seem like they have a decently strong relationship with Nintendo, so Tekken and a possible Tales game has a decent chance of appearing.
shinra-bansho
Member
People aren't buying the PS3 for DmC. They're buying it for its large back-catalog of games. There are no system sellers this late in the game.
test_account
XP-39C²
Regarding relationship between 1st party and 3rd party, how do people think this affects support? I mean, how much this affects the decision making on making game for a system. Does a good relationship affect this decision a lot, or is it basically just the platform itself (how much it sells, what it offers etc.) that is basically the only factor?
Also, what defines a good/strong 1st party to 3rd party relationship? Is it mainly that the 1st party offers financial support via stuff like marketing, offering bundling etc.?
Also, what defines a good/strong 1st party to 3rd party relationship? Is it mainly that the 1st party offers financial support via stuff like marketing, offering bundling etc.?
The more I think about it, the more and more the Wii U reminds me of the Gamecube.
I think it's guaranteed it'll surpass the purple box but by how much? 10 mil? 20? 40? Will nintendo be able to salvage the situation like they did with the 3DS? Though frankly I don't think it's in as big of a hole as 3DS was following its release. I expect things to start improving after March, bit by bit. We really need that 3rd party ND as well though.
I think it's guaranteed it'll surpass the purple box but by how much? 10 mil? 20? 40? Will nintendo be able to salvage the situation like they did with the 3DS? Though frankly I don't think it's in as big of a hole as 3DS was following its release. I expect things to start improving after March, bit by bit. We really need that 3rd party ND as well though.
If I haven't made a mistake, than the Wii U has sold more software in the top 20 than the Vita and 3DS did at the same point. Although, it barely beat 3DS, and it wasn't hard to beat Vita with it having nothing in the top 20 in its second through sixth week.
(Based on Media Create top 20)
Total Wii U software at week 7: 855,225
Total Vita software at week 7: 222,412
Total 3DS software at week 7: 785,811
Wii U tie ratio at week 7: 1.168756893
Vita tie ratio at week 7: 0.415394931
3DS tie ration at week 7: 0.904433828
Number of Wii U titles in the top 20 over 7 weeks: 4
Number of Vita titles in the top 20 over 7 weeks: 5
Number of 3DS titles in the top 20 over 7 weeks: 10
I wanted to make comparisons with the PS3 and Wii, too, but I couldn't find the information.
(Based on Media Create top 20)
Total Wii U software at week 7: 855,225
Total Vita software at week 7: 222,412
Total 3DS software at week 7: 785,811
Wii U tie ratio at week 7: 1.168756893
Vita tie ratio at week 7: 0.415394931
3DS tie ration at week 7: 0.904433828
Number of Wii U titles in the top 20 over 7 weeks: 4
Number of Vita titles in the top 20 over 7 weeks: 5
Number of 3DS titles in the top 20 over 7 weeks: 10
I wanted to make comparisons with the PS3 and Wii, too, but I couldn't find the information.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
3DS was also performing way worse than PSP weeks after it launched. Why would Wii U/PS3 be much different?
lwilliams3
Member
Unlike the Wii, Nintendo will have to work hard to earn its place. They had to do that with the DS and 3DS, and the Wii U will be the same. The lows will probably be lower, so we will see what they can do with the highs.
So, February predictions: DQVII and MGR??
According to Famitsu the month ends Feb. 24th, so the games released on the 28th (DW8, Layton, Vita boobs...) would be out.
I guess I'll make a separate thread for the entire year of 2013. Currently planning:
3DS Hardware
Wii U Hardware
Monster Hunter 4
Pokemon X/Y
New Super Mario Bros. 2
Animal Crossing: New Leaf
New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
If you have anything to say...
According to Famitsu the month ends Feb. 24th, so the games released on the 28th (DW8, Layton, Vita boobs...) would be out.
I guess I'll make a separate thread for the entire year of 2013. Currently planning:
3DS Hardware
Wii U Hardware
Monster Hunter 4
Pokemon X/Y
New Super Mario Bros. 2
Animal Crossing: New Leaf
New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
If you have anything to say...
Being Optimistic for Wii U
March - DQ10
April - Pikmin 3
May - Game and Wario
June - Wii Fit U
July - W101
August - Yoshi Land
September - The Wind Waker HD
October -
November - Mario Kart Double U
December - Super Mario U
October is Pokemon month. X may release this year, since a gameplay video was shown.
Being realistic, sadly
March - DQ10
April - Game and Wario
May - Pikmin 3
June -
July - Wii Fit U
August -
September - W101
October -
November - Mario Kart Double U
December - The Wind Waker HD
March - DQ10
April - Pikmin 3
May - Game and Wario
June - Wii Fit U
July - W101
August - Yoshi Land
September - The Wind Waker HD
October -
November - Mario Kart Double U
December - Super Mario U
October is Pokemon month. X may release this year, since a gameplay video was shown.
Being realistic, sadly
March - DQ10
April - Game and Wario
May - Pikmin 3
June -
July - Wii Fit U
August -
September - W101
October -
November - Mario Kart Double U
December - The Wind Waker HD
BishopLamont
Banned
The same reason the 3DS was performing worse than the PSP when it first launched. The Wii U's numbers are bad, but this is pretty normal considering the competition, which includes Nintendo's own 3DS.
11-year anniversary of the Japanese release.
Does anyone expect Wind Waker HD to sell systems? I don't see why it would, but I also wasn't as excited by the Nintendo Direct as it seems many are. Maybe that I'm trying to not buy a Wii U anytime soon in order to purposefully tackle the lack of free time and back log of games is tinting my view of the ND announcements (i.e. essentially two new games that weren't expected were announced in the form of 'X' and SMTxFE)?
Wind waker is slated for a fall release, IIRC.
airmangataosenai
Member
Is there seriously a chance of Paper Mario remaining above Mario U and staying there? That's insane.