Sammy Samusu
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Falling from 18 to 1 million seller is more than market change, lol.
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Media Create Sales: Week 31, 2013 (Jul 29 - Aug 04)
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darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
How so? PS3 still had FF, still had Musou, still had Pro Evo, still had Hot Shots, still had GT but none of those sold anything like they did on the PS2.
It was missing DQ and KH and Onimusha got Capcom'd but what else would you say it was other than the market changing and generally shifting away from consoles?
Even Sony realizes this. The way the PS4 has been marketed and the audience it has been targeted at out of the gate doesn't include Japan.
Not by much. It's a bit outdated, but only 13-20 have slight changes in order and in titles.
Well yeah, the whole launch was a disaster :lol
But I don't think that it's just the PS3's fault
Oh I certainly think the PS3 had a lot to do with the failure of consoles in Japan. The reality is that third parties were never going to flock to Nintendo's console no matter what, because there have been too many generations of poor relations on the console front. MS was a non-starter in Japan. So the only hope of having a big and powerful third party console platform in Japan was entirely on the PS3's shoulders. By failing on many levels, Sony effectively helped destroy the hopes of that in Japan, and it didn't help that many developers were struggling on the hardware. There was a huge market change which saw gamers move away from consoles in Japan this generation, and I think a lot of that is due to how Sony dropped the ball on the PS3.
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huh? what am I missing? (a joke I presume?)
test_account
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I'm not mixing it up. I know that the amount of money posted earlier isnt about digital download of retail games, and those "lol @ digital sales in Japan" comments might have been for the most part aimed towards digital versions of retail games indeed. However, my point was that it shows how much money Japan is willing to spend on digital download stuff, and that they've embraced it a lot (hence how much money they spent on it). Its not irrelevant as it was belived (and maybe it was to some extend though to be fair) only some years ago, especially seeing that they spent more money in Japan on downloaded games than physical games in 2012.
On the retail side of gaming, we have some examples like Animal Crossing selling like 700k or something copies of the download version. I wouldnt be surprised to see several hundred thousand download version sales for Monster Hunter 4 either. Mobile games only excist as digital downloads as well
(but i know that you're only referring to download versions of games that also excist as retail version as well).EDIT: I fixed a typo.
Jinfash
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There's no denying the landscape changed thanks to many factors (which includes the PS3 dropping the ball), but seeing this chart also confirms a few things: SE was responsible for a chunk of those PS2 millions sellers, and some of the company's IPs has been in decline or switched to handheld/mobile. And then you have Winning Eleven, an IP that has lost a significant amount of its appeal and market-share WW to Fifa.
For some reason I was expecting an entirely different million-seller chart for the PS2, in both number and variety. Then again, I've only started tracking sales this gen.
michaelius
Banned
There was no Wii in previous generation so all casuals had PS2.
Hokuto no Ken still a success over there, apparently.
Ive never been more interested in seeing sales for a console, than i am for PS4 in Japan.
Its either a confirmation of our worst fears or some sort of resurgence
On one hand, yes the market has somewhat moved over to phones and tablets, on the other hand Sony will have a much better launch with a much more competitive price (PS3 was a disaster), they will also have some integration with smartphones, Gaikai stuff later on and a much snappier and faster system. It also creates a very unique situation for Sony, they will be the only "next gen" (tech wise, Wii U is obviously next gen) console that is relevant in Japan, Xbox One will crater and PC is irrelevant.
The most boring parts of all these PS4 presentations has been the social stuff, but perhaps that could be the key to Japan, amongst all the other things that they are doing, much of which we do not even know of yet and there are still games to be released.
Perhaps its not the software that will dictate the success or lack thereof for the PS4, perhaps it will be the features and ways people interact with the console that will be determining that. Either Sony are wasting their time talking about Gaikai, streaming features, social aspects etc etc. or they are actually on to something, the enthusiast gamer mostly sits there and groans about these things, but who knows what kind of appeal it will have for the mainstream out there
If the console does not do well, i expect a lot of "consoles are officially dead in Japan" articles for years to come.
Its either a confirmation of our worst fears or some sort of resurgence
On one hand, yes the market has somewhat moved over to phones and tablets, on the other hand Sony will have a much better launch with a much more competitive price (PS3 was a disaster), they will also have some integration with smartphones, Gaikai stuff later on and a much snappier and faster system. It also creates a very unique situation for Sony, they will be the only "next gen" (tech wise, Wii U is obviously next gen) console that is relevant in Japan, Xbox One will crater and PC is irrelevant.
The most boring parts of all these PS4 presentations has been the social stuff, but perhaps that could be the key to Japan, amongst all the other things that they are doing, much of which we do not even know of yet and there are still games to be released.
Perhaps its not the software that will dictate the success or lack thereof for the PS4, perhaps it will be the features and ways people interact with the console that will be determining that. Either Sony are wasting their time talking about Gaikai, streaming features, social aspects etc etc. or they are actually on to something, the enthusiast gamer mostly sits there and groans about these things, but who knows what kind of appeal it will have for the mainstream out there
If the console does not do well, i expect a lot of "consoles are officially dead in Japan" articles for years to come.
michaelius
Banned
Well with Wii U < GC and PS4 flopping then yes consoles would be officially dead in Japan.
The PS2 vs PS3 comparison is not fair.
Can anyone compare the top sellers of PS2 & GC (combined) vs PS3 & Wii (combined too)?
I'm not mixing it up. I know that the amount of money posted earlier isnt about digital download of retail games, and those "lol @ digital sales in Japan" comments might have been for the most part aimed towards digital versions of retail games indeed. However, my point was that it shows how much money Japan is willing to spend on digital download stuff, and that they've embraced it a lot (hence how much money they spent on it). Its not irelevant as it was belived (and maybe it was to some extend though to be fair) only some years ago, especially seeing that they spent more money in Japan on downloaded games than physical games in 2012.
On the retail side of gaming, we have some examples like Animal Crossing selling like 700k or something copies of the download version. I wouldnt be surprised to see several hundred thousand download version sales for Monster Hunter 4 either. Mobile games only excist as digital downloads as well
Japan has been embracing mobile gaming for a long time. Most of the money from mobile now are micro transactions and it's completely different from digital download of full games. You can not use this as an example for digital download being relevant or not.
I feel the same way. Though unless Sony has some big surprise launch titles at Gamescom, I can't foresee a future where PS4 doesn't come in at least a bit soft for the first few months in Japan. Or maybe their marketing will just be that damn good, who knows.
1st Course
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In the part that you bolded, there i'm talking about digital games in general (any gaming related stuff that is being purchased through download). I'm not saying that the amount of money posted earlier counts for retail digital download versions nor that it is any indication of that (because that number is for mobile gaming only), i'm only saying that digital games is huge in Japan when it comes to total revenue, and i think this shows that people are willing to spend a lot of money on gaming eventhough that they dont get any physical copy.
I was also under the impression that the "lol @ digital sales in Japan" comments were sometimes refering to the digital market in general, not just digital version of retail games, that is why i mentioned it in my first post. Sorry if i didnt make that clear earlier. We have also seen some big digital download sales (Animal Crossing in particular), which i also think shows that many people are willing to pay for games without getting a physical copy. To me, the digital market as a whole seems to be quite relevant in Japan today, compared to a few years ago when it seemed to be hardly anything to concider.
EDIT: What was the total revenue for mobile gaming in Japan in 2008 and 2009 etc.? Is there any numbers for this?
Hero of Legend
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Is Famitsu (magazine) coming out this week? It's Oban apparently this week and I really hope the magazine's not taking a break...
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
If the PS4 dies in Japan, more and more Japanese companies will go to mobile for profit, which is already expanding at a very fast rate.
Isn't that the MGS mobile card game thingy?
Mobile/social
pieatorium
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i thought that already came out months ago
Coldnoodle
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Vita?
It's hardly surprising. It's a HD re-release that was already released on PS3 quite a while back so anyone who wanted it would most likely have it already.
I personally imported a copy as I don't own a PS3, but whatever
Nintendo would do good to take this outside of Japan as the HD collection was never released in Europe or America right?
Could be, I'm just thinking out loud since that was the last MGS related thing that wasn't TPP and when it comes to Japanese publishers I always assume they believe that we'll be excited for a mobile game from their long running console franchises.
LiberaTeExInferis
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Will we have numbers today?
you sure that's not yakuza sell-through numbers.
The_lascar
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More like number of copies sold.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Are you from the future?
Glass Rebel
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After MGS3D Vita is the only mobile platform I want KojiPro to work on. Unless it's something like AC!D. An announcement this late makes it sound like it's on smartphones though.
That sentiment really surprises me. It's one that I vehemently agree with, but not one I often see echoed.
Ooh, you big meanie.
Glass Rebel
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And I don't even own a Vita (yet)!
Honestly though, as opposed to Monster Hunter, which still works extremely well on 3DS and runs at a great framerate, MGS3D was such a shoddy job, it makes me think that either Konami or KojiPro aren't interested in the platform.
It probably also doesn't need the huge userbase of the 3DS.
RE5 and MGS4 almost sold 1m each. They are 900k+. Many others BEST versions are not counted.
sechsterangriff
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I honestly don't think MGS3D was a shoddy job, just the job that was possible on the 3DS with the time given. I'm giving the benefit of doubt to Hexadrive when it comes to ports. Not only did they have to port a very demanding PS2 game but also make it 3D. I know RE: Revelaitions is much more impressive, but MT Framework is also probably much more scalable than the MGS3 engine,
I'm pretty sure most people are gonna react like that when they see the numbers.
1st Course
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Sry was too lazy to search for the re-releases.
Too many PS2 games have different re-releases. They are probably 50+ PS2 game that did over 1m counting them.
I had a blast with Peace Walker on Vita and if they do something like that - I'm fucking in
shinra-bansho
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Might not see the numbers at all until Dengeki top 50, depending upon how poor they are.
Glass Rebel
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It was a pretty ill-conceived product to begin with but nobody could have guessed that with the way Naked Sample at E3 looked. Should have gone with Sons of Liberty instead.
darkstar0155
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was the game even advertised or have any marketing? Other the the initial announcement I dont remember hearing anything else about it. Hell, I didnt even realize it came out.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
So this is a "when" and not an "if"? Because if we can see the numbers, they can't be as bad as I am expecting (I'm expecting a debut outside of even the top 50)
.Re-releases are never counted. The PS2 chart doesn't count re-releases either.