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Media Create Sales: Week 32, 2013 (Aug 05 - Aug 11)
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Damo Yoshi
Member
Can we see some M&L4 comparisons and precedents? After a rather poor first showing, it seems like the legs are being bared.
Canis lupus
Member
Nr 30 on Famitsu sold +-4k, Yakuza did less than that.
There was no point porting that game.
There was no point porting that game.
Tizoc
Member
Can the Wii U even run Yakuza 3-5? Yakuza 1+2 HD were released on the PS3 already and I believe it did well.
..and have you even considered how much a full on collection of at least Yakuza 1-4 on Wii U would even cost?
prag16
Banned
Yeah, that's why I asked if we knew a launch lineup because I couldn't find anything. It'll be interesting.
Come on now. -_-
At this point we're still not sure it's even launching in 2013 in Japan.
I think TGS is our first chance for actual details about the region.
Magicpaint
Member
Why wouldn't it?
Animal Crossing was released November last year in Japan.
I think the biggest game that came out this year for 3DS in japan was probably Luigi's Mansion? maybe I'm forgetting a bigger one. Obviously 3DS numbers are going to jump quite a lot for the rest of the year, but if 3DS doesn't sell as good as it did last November or December this November or December, then this discussion would make more sense IMO.
Edit: Tomodachi Collection, that came out this year iirc and definitely outsold luigi.
I believe economies of scale will allow them to cut costs and keep the same models, while introducing a new 3DS model with a better screen. So that current owners upgrade. We'll most likely see a better 3DS model in the next 5 years.
You're forgetting about Tomodachi Collection. I don't know why people don't consider it a huge game. Easily selling over a million is not a common thing. The game is probably going to end up with a better LTD than Mario 3D Land.
Tomodachi Collection. Plus it has sold far more digitally too.
Beaten!
Anyways, great week for 3DS. I'm really happy with Kuma Tomo (almost 40,000 sold now), a real (moderate) success story.
Thanks, yeah I forgot about it but then called it family life when I remembered, I'll correct it now so no one is confused.
Aquamarine
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[B]FAMITSU HARDWARE SALES, WEEK 32, 2013 (August 5th - August 11th):[/B]
3DS - 57,837
PSV - 15,755
PS3 - 10,458
[B]WIU - 9,291[/B]
PSP - 5,333
WII - 1,414
360 - 184Wii U holding at 9K it seems, but it's still ~150 less than the previous week.
Negative momentum is not good, Nintendo.
Also, Yakuza didn't hit the Top 30 on Famitsu, so <4K debut sales confirmed.
Probably just because it's such a non-entity in the West, that people forget about it more easily.
Vintage_Creep
Banned
I'm sure it can, why shouldn't it?
And anyway that would be a risky option I won't deny it, but risks sometimes bring results.
Making a port of two games from 2005 is simply lazy, if it's at full price (I don't know).
I was interested but know I'm sure they won't port the other three chapters so what's the point, I'll buy them all for the PS3.
Moral Panic
Member
Wait, what?
NDS 101 Weeks: 12.0 mil - Quote 1
NDS 129 Weeks: 17.2 mil - Quote 2
So in 28 weeks NDS sold 5.2 million?
Katana_Strikes
Member
What Yakuza 1-2 came out this week on Wii U? where is the evidence of this??? 
Wow under 5k sold, I mean really? Sure it seemed an odd desicion but under 5k I can't fathom. And people were hoping for a Western port off it. It can't even sell diddly in a country where it's normally popular.
I just wonder what this means for any future Yakuza games on the console. While an old port of an old game admittedly won't set the chart alight on a platform with no fan base/already own it, Sega must surely be sweating over the costs of a Wii U version of the next instalment if its been green lit for the platform.
Wow under 5k sold, I mean really? Sure it seemed an odd desicion but under 5k I can't fathom. And people were hoping for a Western port off it. It can't even sell diddly in a country where it's normally popular.
I just wonder what this means for any future Yakuza games on the console. While an old port of an old game admittedly won't set the chart alight on a platform with no fan base/already own it, Sega must surely be sweating over the costs of a Wii U version of the next instalment if its been green lit for the platform.
klapauzius
Banned
Do you really think the sales figures are this precise? They are only guesses based on statistic and some sales data. It could be easily be 1.000 more or less.
The NDS was a monster at that time, and there was probably a holiday during those.
Deadly Monk
Banned
Is it just me or is this pathetic? I mean this is bad, abysmal sales numbers. In general, this makes console game sales look almost non existent in Japan now compared to last generation and even compared to US sales, this makes it look as if no one cares over there anymore. Or am I off base here? Just doesn't seem like it used to be and it's a little depressing.
Bruno MB
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[B]10 best-selling 3DS releases of 2012 during the first 32 weeks of the year:[/B]
01. [3DS] Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D (Square Enix) {2012.05.31} - 864.478
02. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo) {2012.07.28} - 790.732
03. [3DS] Fire Emblem: Awakening (Nintendo) {2012.04.19} - 421.705
04. [3DS] Kingdom Hearts 3D – Dream Drop Distance (Square Enix) {2012.03.29} - 327.492
05. [3DS] Kid Icarus: Uprising (Nintendo) {2012.03.22} - 305.616
06. [3DS] Mario Tennis Open (Nintendo) {2012.05.24} - 281.219
07. [3DS] Resident Evil: Revelations (Capcom) {2012.01.26} - 266.252
08. [3DS] Harvest Moon: The Land of Origin (Marvelous AQL) {2012.02.23} - 196.435
09. [3DS] Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games (Nintendo) {2012.03.01} - 188.104
10. [3DS] Theatrhythm Final Fantasy (Square Enix) {2012.02.16} - 152.651
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[B]10 best-selling 3DS releases of 2013 during the first 32 weeks of the year:[/B]
01. [3DS] Friend Collection: New Life (Nintendo) {2013.04.18} - 1.349.888
02. [3DS] Dragon Quest VII: Fighters of Eden (Square Enix) {2013.02.07} - 1.212.951
03. [3DS] Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon (Nintendo) {2013.03.20} - 876.019
04. [3DS] Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies (Capcom) {2013.07.25} - 308.717
05. [3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV (Atlus) {2013.05.23} - 240.473
06. [3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.02.28} - 232.147
07. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Legacy of Civilization A (Level 5) {2013.02.28} - 231.353
08. [3DS] Mario & Luigi: Dream Team (Nintendo) {2013.07.18} - 216.483
09. [3DS] Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D (Nintendo) {2013.06.13} - 209.823
10. [3DS] Super Robot Wars UX (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.03.14} - 169.683Vintage_Creep
Banned
I think it's pretty common knowledge that only a few games can, ALONE, boost the sales a little bit. The usual: Mario Kart, Smash Bros. Pikmin is not even close that level.
I think we'll finally see some bright news concerning WiiU around October/November, when the flow of platformers like Sonic and Donkey Kong will be on.
For now, I'm content it's going poorly. I'm supporting it but I also want Nintendo to pull another 3DS move and having a spectacular 2014. Which I think it will.
I find it odd to use more than one chart personally and thanks to the title of this thread, I've come to accept media create's numbers as fact and Famitsu's numbers as estimates, both are obviously estimates and anyone can choose which ever they want to track, but for the sake of discussing sales numbers, it always confuses me to talk about Famitsu's numbers when media create's is there.
The numbers don't seem like that big of a difference, but even the drop rate is quite a bit bigger with Famitsu's numbers than Media Create's which is only 88 for Wii U this week. Both could just be static, even the differences between MC and Famitsu's numbers could simply be one trying to correct their own numbers.
Anyways oddly holding right now is good for Wii U, software is coming pretty soon, the real trick is that after software starts coming out every 2 or 3 weeks, will we see it's baseline over 20k a week or not. Because realistically it needs to get to about 25k a week on average to really have any real market share in japan (if it does an average of 25k over the next 4 years, it will end up with about 7million units by the end of 2017, which is about the right time we can expect a successor)
Thanks man, that's illuminating. I'm not entirely sure what it means, but I'll keep staring at it like a magic eye puzzle until I figure it out.
I guess the games this year were proportionally smaller due to the relative install bases.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Amazing
Well . a expensive and hard to work with console did not exactly help
Still i see games in there whose sales are pretty good .
Also keep in mind the difference and market size between Japan and The US.
selling a million in japan is already considered a great feat.
Aquamarine
Member
I believe the truth lies somewhere in between Famitsu's under-tracked numbers and Media Create's over-tracked numbers.
So I like to bring up Famitsu as the "low estimate."
The point is...in both trackers, there was a Wii U drop this week, indicating negative momentum for the console.
Apophis2036
Banned
I just noticed the 3DS is only 600k behind the Wii lifetime sales ! :O.
Wasn't Wii that popular in Japan ?.
Wasn't Wii that popular in Japan ?.
Tizoc
Member
All these 'Wii U is not next gen' jokes got to me @_@
When was the last time that actually worked >_>;
I wonder if your tune would've been different if it had sold well =P
...but if I get what you're saying right: Releasing Yazuka 1+2 HD on PS3 would not be lazy, but releasing it on Wii U is?
OK I can get releasing Yakuza 5 would've been a better choice, although would SEGA have had an agreement with Sony for exclusivity?
Interestingly enough PS3 ver. was released in Nov. 2012.
There's a reason there are very, very few notable Japanese console games these days.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
The height of console's popularity in JP was in 2007-2009, with both the Wii and PS3 putting up great console numbers for hardware and software. It just slowed considerably since, with the PS3 almost at 8 years old and the Wii being ignored by Nintendo since 2009. for a while we had two healthy platforms, which almost never happened in JP.
The Wii U is not ever going to have a healthy market, and the Xbox One we can safely ignore for this market, so all pressure is on the PS4 to pick up the torch for consoles and knock it out of the park. We wont know until TGS if it has a chance at rekindling interest in consoles over there.
The drop of 88 consoles on Media Create is well within the boundaries of statistical noise. I don't think the estimates of either tracker are accurate within 1 percent margin of error. We've seen too many drastic software disparities on a week to week basis for that to be the case.
I don't think Sony needs to moneyhat yakuza now.
NeonZ
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Well, DW8 was basically 7 with more characters and weapons. That kind of sequel rarely results in bigger sales. The schedule also was handled pretty badly, with DW7E and DW8 coming out fairly close to each other.
1st Course
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Thx, really appreciate your efforts.
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475,006 Call of Duty: Black Ops II (Square Enix) {2012-11-22} (Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Subtitled Version / Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Dubbed Version)Wow.
They do for the Vita. PS4 is a lock, though.
At the very least they should already have gone after the HD collection. I think it would do far better than it did on WiiU.
Glass Rebel
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I feel that one challenge the 3DS is facing with its software lineup right now is that after Nintendo's core franchises, Dragon Quest remakes and Monster Hunter there's a huge drop in terms of appeal and sales. There needs to be more stuff selling 300-700k but if you look at release lists it's games with very high or rather low sales. The only upcoming games fitting this bracket will probably be One Piece: Unlimited World Red and Puzzle & Dragons Z if it underperforms.
The problem is that there isn't much they can do about it. Professor Layton "tanked" hard with the last entry, Inazuma Eleven is probably on its way out as well and Hino seems to have lost his golden touch. Square-Enix hasn't put a single Final Fantasy RPG on the 3DS. It needs proper future titles from a bunch of Japanese mid-tier sellers such as Tales, Phantasy Star, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Musou, Gundam etc. A large portion of the people buying all these expanded audience titles have left handhelds for mobile phones. And that's where many publishers are following them, at the cost of traditional game development.
Sure, it isn't a terrible situation to be in, judging by the sales numbers. But considering its the platform with the most advantageous position in Japan, there's still a lot of room for improvement.
The problem is that there isn't much they can do about it. Professor Layton "tanked" hard with the last entry, Inazuma Eleven is probably on its way out as well and Hino seems to have lost his golden touch. Square-Enix hasn't put a single Final Fantasy RPG on the 3DS. It needs proper future titles from a bunch of Japanese mid-tier sellers such as Tales, Phantasy Star, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Musou, Gundam etc. A large portion of the people buying all these expanded audience titles have left handhelds for mobile phones. And that's where many publishers are following them, at the cost of traditional game development.
Sure, it isn't a terrible situation to be in, judging by the sales numbers. But considering its the platform with the most advantageous position in Japan, there's still a lot of room for improvement.
It's also worth remembering that PS3 hardware sales were a lot closer to the Saturn or N64 in Japan than they were to the PS1 or PS2. PS3 was the fourth best selling piece of hardware this past generation. I would be curious to see a top 50 list for other runner-up consoles.
There would be no need for that as the main fanbase is on PS3 and The devs know that.
so those games will come to PS3 naturally.
moneyhatting would be a waste of money.
Edit : beaten.
Vintage_Creep
Banned
The last time it worked was the Wii, if we're talking of something big.
Anyway even on PS3 a collection like that would've been lazy, but also so useless that I wouldn't have mind that too much. On the WiiU it's obviously different, since Nintendo never had Yakuza before and the fact that they released a port only of the first two, which bombed, makes me think we won't see the others. That's what is stupid about the whole operation, if you ask me. If they had all the five chapters in one disc, I'm sure a lot of people would've bought it. Still I don't know, just speculation obviously.
Yeah, this thinking worked out well with Monster Hunter.
I was talking about Vita though. It's a given that the franchise will be on PS4. On Vita? Not so much.
I suspect that poor maintenance also plays a part in the decline of Japanese console gaming, although perhaps not as much as the reasons others have mentioned. Final Fantasy seems to have damaged its reputation with XIII, and we saw that with the sequel. Musou is probably better off reinventing itself than continuing its carpet bomb strategy. Onimusha dropped after 2. Etc.
Not all games that once succeeded on consoles do better on handhelds, but there aren't enough new successful console franchises to make up for the popular console series dying out.
Not all games that once succeeded on consoles do better on handhelds, but there aren't enough new successful console franchises to make up for the popular console series dying out.
