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Media Create Sales: Week 35, 2013 (Aug 26 - Sep 01)
- Thread starter Chris1964
- Start date
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
That's what I meant. Not that long now...
Kill it with fire.
I've been ready to call it for a while now. If Sony and 3rd parties don't come with a metric fuckton of announcements and support on sept. 9. Game over man, stick fork a in it, we're done. Well at least Japanese home console gaming anyways
I'll give duckroll a rest:
http://garaph.info/softwaregroups.php (click the "DS All")
https://sites.google.com/site/japanltdrank/ (filter by plaform "NDS")
And if you can read Japanese: http://gamedatamuseum.web.fc2.com/
SporeCrawler
Member
Poor PS3 =( Can't believe how terribly it has done in Japan compared to it's predecessors.
Someone should make a gif about it
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
10k for W101, thats a bomba. We're allowed to call it that now its been a "full week+ of sales" after all!
Seeing Lost Planet 3 far outsell it is pretty fucking weird. Guess that franchise really earned some loyal fans.
Sony should have got Namco to plop JoJo on Vita as well really since that tactic seems to work a lot, but instead a big Vita dip. MH and Pokemon season isnt going to be kind to its survival.
WiiU is just done.
The best news of the week though is XIV:RR! That many on PS3 alone, I wonder how many Japanese PC version sales there were. Square should release PR and numbers really, nothing to be ashamed of here. Would go a long way to explaining the constantly fucked to the brim servers too.
Seeing Lost Planet 3 far outsell it is pretty fucking weird. Guess that franchise really earned some loyal fans.
Sony should have got Namco to plop JoJo on Vita as well really since that tactic seems to work a lot, but instead a big Vita dip. MH and Pokemon season isnt going to be kind to its survival.
WiiU is just done.
The best news of the week though is XIV:RR! That many on PS3 alone, I wonder how many Japanese PC version sales there were. Square should release PR and numbers really, nothing to be ashamed of here. Would go a long way to explaining the constantly fucked to the brim servers too.
It's a combination of a bunch of factors I think:
- Severe decline in demand for core genres which used to sell well on the platforms (racing games, fighting games, sports games)
- Severe decline in output of games which used to sell well on the platforms (Japanese 3D action games, JRPGs, etc)
- The price and complexity of hardware meant that casual games and casual gamers were being completely locked out of the system
Sony basically designed and priced the system with the expectation that the market would still be like it was before, not realizing that they were effectively killing off that market by making the PS3 what it was. It was a loss for everyone.
LordOcidax
Member
What's the date fo the Wii U price drop/ZWW bundle in Japan?
Other than a handful of Nintendo titles on Wii, it was a pretty bad generation for consoles overall. PS1 kicked the ass of the Wii and PS3 combined. At least when looking at the top 50 sellers.
It's also worth pointing out that those lists don't count sales for budget re-releases (even when the re-release is the exact same game at a lower price), which were quite substantial for a few games. I'm pretty sure FF7 was over 4M when you throw in the international edition and budget releases.
For the current consoles, RE5 on PS3 would join the million sellers club if you counted RE5 Gold sales. MGS4 is pretty close as well. I'm not sure if the Wii list would look any different, since Nintendo doesn't really go for budget re-releases.
I'm pretty sure a price drop has already happened in Japan, and I don't know whether the WW bundle got confirmed there.
PS1 > N64
PS2 >>>>>>>> Gamecube
Wii >>> PS3
Why people think the japanese console market only means Playstation?
The PS3 numbers are so bad mainly because of the Wii.
Someone please compare million sellers of PS1+N64 vs PS2+GC vs Wii+PS3.
SporeCrawler
Member
i noticed you posting similar posts in another thread.
what is "done" in your opinion. do you mean there will be no effect in sales after nintendo releases games like mario, zelda, donkey kong, price drop etc. or do you mean that the effects will be so minimal that it will not be noticeable.
you cant count out DS
there are 86 million sellers so far in japan and 34 are on DS
That's not really true though. For the entire market, you need to look at the stakeholders involved. On the Wii it was basically all Nintendo, all the time. This represents a clear decline across the market for every publisher except Nintendo, on consoles. That makes the console market worse because less things are offered on it (and more on handhelds because the DS sold so well for third parties), and those which are offered sell much less now.
The_lascar
Member
Blue: first week
Red: other weeks
Red: other weeks
As was on every Nintendo system ever (with different proportion but Nintendo is the main software seller by a large margin).
See nothing wrong with it, it just what happens when Nintendo takes the grips of the market.
It's not so much that there's something wrong with it, rather that it is unhealthy for the overall market. If people are only buying Nintendo games and nothing else, and games from other publishers are not selling well on any platform, they will look elsewhere. That's partly why the market shifted so drastically towards portables, and now - towards mobiles.
Less variety for consumers = bad.
SporeCrawler
Member
well to be fair not many third parties backed wii even in japan. marvelous was the exception but the games they made were just too niche (although they were great in quality)
also DS or 3DS is a similar story. Nintendo is very strong in those markets as well.
SporeCrawler
Member
Blue: first week
Red: other weeks
why no jump ultimate star or jump super star?
SporeCrawler
Member
hardwarewise yes. softwarewise sega had 1 million seller (VF2) nintendo had several
when?
It's supposed to be PS1 > Sega+Nintendo
Console gamers went with Wii this gen. As consequence they bought the best games available that obviously are nintendo games, also Microsoft got some exclusives over PS in japan, Sony Japanese studios got caught in development limbo (6 years for GT5, no team ICO game, etc), Square Enix failed to deliver and can't figure out HD development, plus PS3 price has been the more expensive console and it's still very expensive. For the first 8 months the PS3 sold WORSE than the Wii U. This incredible low attach rate also affected considerably games in development.
Now things are going to change with the PS4, we won't see PS2 numbers never again but it will sell better than PS3 mainly because of the wii U failure. Also with a cheaper price it will sell faster than PS3 and this will motivate developers to make games for it.
Anyway, time will talk.
Why arbitrary distinction? Japanese console market is not PS only market, is the market of ALL the platforms. Sony + Nintendo + MS + Sega, etc.
I don't think we can say this is true. The Wii sold 12 million in Japan, the PS3 has sold 9 million so far. The PS2 sold almost 22 million, and the GC sold 4 million. The numbers speak for themselves. There is no question that a huge amount of consoler gamers were lost this generation. It's really not so simple as "all the console gamers decided to buy Wii". That's not what happened.
Reneledarker
Banned
Good numbers for FFXIV. Now the real test begins, to see if they can maintain all the new players that bought the game. Because SE needs it taking into account the disaster that FFXIV 1.0 was and all the money they spend on the reboot.
On this note, does anyone know how DS + PSP compares to 3DS + Vita and this point in their lifetime in Japan?
Nintendo handhelds decreased a lot too, didn't it? I mean, the 3DS is still very impressive but it's nothing compared to the DS afaik?
All of them went to mobile (iOS, Android etc). Only thing I don't understand is how you can live off mobile by itself. I guess Japan is just all about the social stuff. They LOVE Puzzle & Dragons etc.
3DS is no DS.
Most DS games just had incredible legs and we probably won't see something like that again. Even comparing games like Ace Attorney 5 vs 4 shows this. Similar debut, no chance of getting close to the LTD.
Yeesh, I bet that looks ugly. Especially software.
You know, it's kinda sad that the awful PSP (talking 'bout the one stick thing, the design, having to use UMD etc) sold A LOT more units and software than the Vita, the handheld the PSP should have been.
1st Course
Member
Because after the SNES, PlayStation consoles become the consoles of choice for third parties in Japan.
All the big sellers on N64/GCN/Wii are Nintendo games.
The success or failure of Nintendo consoles in Japan affect almost no one but Nintendo.
The success or failure of PlayStation consoles affect the whole industry. PlayStation Consoles are the home of FF, MGS, RE, PES, console racing games, console fighting games, otaku console games etc in Japan after all.
Blue: first week
Red: other weeks
Jojo ASB should perform around the same than Ken, so we're looking at 550k LTD here
PdotMichael
Banned
And people thought the baseline for the WiiU would be 10k after Pikmin and W101.
It doesn't look very good for the WiiU in Japan.
It doesn't look very good for the WiiU in Japan.
Well, that's correct because the shift from console owners to handhelds is far bigger than the shift between consoles.
SpaceDrake
Member
So on the subject of FFXIV chat, not only is that an amazing start for XIV in Japan (IIRC it's done more in one week than Dragon Quest X, a "bigger" franchise than FF, has done in months), but that's only physical sales, and only the PS3 version. Square's been pushing the PC version surprisingly hard in Japan, going so far as to partner with a bunch of manufacturers to recommend PCs to play the game on and peripherals for the game. Between untracked PC sales and digital sales over the PSN, there's a good chance XIV's sold significantly more than even the 180k in the report, and may well have sold a not-totally-insignificant amount of PC hardware.
The TLDR is, that's an amazing start for a pay-for MMO in Japan, and the biggest in history if memory serves. It will be interesting to see if sales keep up over the next few weeks, and I wish we could get PC numbers too!
The TLDR is, that's an amazing start for a pay-for MMO in Japan, and the biggest in history if memory serves. It will be interesting to see if sales keep up over the next few weeks, and I wish we could get PC numbers too!
Ah crap, never mind, I was wrong on that one. I remembered wrong from an article I once read talking about Wii U sales increasing in Japan and UK, and the latter was the only one attributing it to retailer-specific drops.
But yeah I don't think any price drop has been mentioned in regards to Japan.
PdotMichael
Banned
I wouldn't ignore the many exclusive deals for the 360. Many old and succesful franchises were only available for the 360 but the most people were not interested in a western console.
Some of the PS3 rereleases were succesful after all (like Tales) but it hurt the PS3 and many of the franchises.
If by "more in one week" you mean it did in 6 days almost exactly half of what DQX did in 3 days, then yes
[WII] Dragon Quest X: Mezameshi Itsutsu no Shuzoku Online # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2012.08.02} (¥6.980) - 367.148 / NEW
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Real Reborn # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.08.27} (¥3.300) - 184.018 / NEW
Oh, yeah, Famitsu had it even higher:
01./00. [WII] Dragon Quest X: Mezameshi Itsutsu no Shuzoku Online # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2012.08.02} (¥6.980) - 420.311 / NEW
02./00. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Real Reborn # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.08.27} (¥3.300) - 184.462 / NEW <80-100%>
I've actually seen specific PCs for all kinds of shit in Japan. Although I cannot recollect any of the top off my head right now, so you'll just have to take my word for it. =P
http://garaph.info/linecompare.php/...psplaunch/gr-2/hf/sys-3/PSV/date-3/psvlaunch/
I don't know if you want system for system or start of gen; just add however you want.
SporeCrawler
Member
and nintendo is a big part of the japanese gaming industry.
you may want to check your numbers again
What? No, not at all. DQX Wii opened at 420k and is is well over 600k by now. DQ X Wii U did a lot worse though (unless you count the digital sales it got from the promo if you already owned the Wii version, then it did okay but that doesn't mean much for its subscriptions though).
M°°nblade;79959681 said:
Right, and that shift was no doubt greatly influenced by the state of the consoles. The PS3 was overpriced and had no games. The Wii was Nintendo dominated and focused on an alternate control scheme. People don't generally pick a console and buy it, and then buy whatever games are on that console. That's a fanboy mentality. In reality people often buy hardware because it has software which interests them.
The shift in Japan away from consoles is definitely something which was heavily impacted by Sony's actions because it resulted in less console options and a hardware which was unattractive for a long time because of price and lack of content.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Yes just type it into youtube.
Yup and thats why I want the PS4 to do well. The PS3 (along with many pubs being moneyhatted by MS) led some dire years at the beginning of this gen for japanese third parties. Probably why a lot turned to handhelds.