cj_iwakura
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[PS3] Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Vs. Full Boost # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥7.980)
Japanese store fronts are so... alien to me. Total mass production.
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Media Create Sales: Week 4, 2014 (Jan 20 - Jan 26)
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Japanese store fronts are so... alien to me. Total mass production.
I kind of like the busy look to Japanese storefronts. Gives off a sense of volume in small areas.
I can't really decide on the PS3 vs PS4 sales shenanigans
Here's what PS4 has going for it:
- Less competition. Yes Vita and 3DS are competing to some degree, but if there's still a market for a home console, the PS4 could corner that. Not that the Xbox 360 was a massive competitor to the PS3, but it did manage to scrounge some sales off the back of being released a year earlier. Not happening this time.
- Better Pricing. The Pricing is far, far better than the PS3.
- Easier development. If the PS4 get's a decent start a dev has a lower barrier to entry to make games, which can help continue the momentum.
Those are huge factors in how a console will sell, undoubtably. But conversely, it has a lot of disadvatages compared to it's predecessor.
- Shrinking Japanese Market for Home Consoles. Well documented and almost undeniable is the state of the JP home console market. The PS4 doesn't need to turn this over, even if it performs better than the PS3 the market will undoubtably shrink, but it doesn't help its odds.
- Not pushing a new media format. Especially with initial uptake, not having blu-ray as a new format means that general techies may not be as quick on the uptake.
- The Playstation brand's strength. A controversial claim perhaps, but it's hard to argue that the PS brand is as strong as it was at the end of the PS2 era/early PSP era. A brand won't push consumers quite as much as it did then and JP developers won't nessecarily will it to life like the PS3.
- Home console Japanese game's have moved to handhelds/westernised/worsened. Kingdom Hearts 3 is a welcome addition to the PS4 library but I'd think it's a stretch to say that we'll see FF13 numbers from FF15, simply because of how the brand has digressed. Same goes for both the Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid series: both of which were key in pushing PS3s out there. A lot of the smaller and more niche games have moved or branched out to handhelds/mobile as well.
- A plethora of much smaller factors that are less significant, but still worth of note. February launch vs. holiday launch, later launch in JP than the west, no backwards compatitability, potential supply issues (maybe?), less of a tech jump than the PS2 to PS3.
Some of these you may disagree with, but I think the overall picture is a bit unclear. We'll know in a few months how well recieved the PS4 is initially and see what happens from there.
Here's what PS4 has going for it:
- Less competition. Yes Vita and 3DS are competing to some degree, but if there's still a market for a home console, the PS4 could corner that. Not that the Xbox 360 was a massive competitor to the PS3, but it did manage to scrounge some sales off the back of being released a year earlier. Not happening this time.
- Better Pricing. The Pricing is far, far better than the PS3.
- Easier development. If the PS4 get's a decent start a dev has a lower barrier to entry to make games, which can help continue the momentum.
Those are huge factors in how a console will sell, undoubtably. But conversely, it has a lot of disadvatages compared to it's predecessor.
- Shrinking Japanese Market for Home Consoles. Well documented and almost undeniable is the state of the JP home console market. The PS4 doesn't need to turn this over, even if it performs better than the PS3 the market will undoubtably shrink, but it doesn't help its odds.
- Not pushing a new media format. Especially with initial uptake, not having blu-ray as a new format means that general techies may not be as quick on the uptake.
- The Playstation brand's strength. A controversial claim perhaps, but it's hard to argue that the PS brand is as strong as it was at the end of the PS2 era/early PSP era. A brand won't push consumers quite as much as it did then and JP developers won't nessecarily will it to life like the PS3.
- Home console Japanese game's have moved to handhelds/westernised/worsened. Kingdom Hearts 3 is a welcome addition to the PS4 library but I'd think it's a stretch to say that we'll see FF13 numbers from FF15, simply because of how the brand has digressed. Same goes for both the Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid series: both of which were key in pushing PS3s out there. A lot of the smaller and more niche games have moved or branched out to handhelds/mobile as well.
- A plethora of much smaller factors that are less significant, but still worth of note. February launch vs. holiday launch, later launch in JP than the west, no backwards compatitability, potential supply issues (maybe?), less of a tech jump than the PS2 to PS3.
Some of these you may disagree with, but I think the overall picture is a bit unclear. We'll know in a few months how well recieved the PS4 is initially and see what happens from there.
I agree; it just seems very smart for most Japanese 3rd party publishers (especially smaller Japanese 3rd party publishers) to focus on Playstation platforms, because that's where most of their audiences are for their games. Most Japanese 3rd party games on Wii & Xbox 360 have all flopped. Companies like Namco-Bandai, Arc System Works, & Tecmo-Koei have all woke up & realized where most of their audiences were on: PS3.
That's why we're seeing more & more Japanese 3rd party games like the Tales of series, future Dynasty Warriors games (like Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends), BlazBlue: Chrono Phantasma, the 2nd Persona 4 fighting game, Yakuza, Persona 5, etc. being exclusive to PS3 (& PS Vita). And I believe that trend will carry onto PS4 sooner or later.
ShockingAlberto
Member
If I were Sony, I'd be offering Square whatever help they need on their big console projects.
While those individual games are not the biggest releases ever, they're good rocks to remove from the dam to get the water flowing.
While those individual games are not the biggest releases ever, they're good rocks to remove from the dam to get the water flowing.
Well, third time's the charm, but I don't think MS will be "moneyhatting" as much as they did last gen.
They know Japan is dead to them.
Famitsu has Mirai 1 at 190k. 40k difference will take many months to be covered, if Mirai 2 ever sells that much anyway.
Right now, that's almost what's going to happen after FFXIV, given he known lineup. Speaking about 2014, of course.
Hero of Legend
Member
I should bring up that now SMT4 has officially outsold Nocturne's LTD in Japan according to Famitsu, and only a notch behind Persona 4 Golden:
Vita Persona 4 Golden: 256,494
3DS Shin Megami Tensei IV: 251,334
PS2 Shin Megami Tensei III Nocturne: 245,520
I'd say SMT4 is selling faster than P4G since P4G came out a year earlier.
Vita Persona 4 Golden: 256,494
3DS Shin Megami Tensei IV: 251,334
PS2 Shin Megami Tensei III Nocturne: 245,520
I'd say SMT4 is selling faster than P4G since P4G came out a year earlier.
Sammy Samusu
Member
That reductive Imageepoch game seems to be selling well for what it is.
http://www.yodobashi.com/ec/product/stock/100000001001936536/index.html
http://www.yodobashi.com/ec/product/stock/100000001001936536/index.html
ohbabyitsken
Banned
Aren't those P4G numbers relatively old? We know Atlus sold 300k+ copies in Japan but that includes digital. It seems somewhat unlikely that they sold 50k digital based on those download lists. That and the fact that it is the only Vita game on amazon that keeps selling long after its release. However it never seems to chart so the numbers must be somewhat low.
Hero of Legend
Member
Seemingly they were in the Top 100 since the source says it was just updated with those numbers on Dec 29th.
CONTEXT! Can't understand Japanese, so I can't tell what you mean by just linking it. XD
What's the significance of the 19500, 16000 and 12500 figures, new bomba pricing for PS3?3 week for PS4:
Bruno MB
Member
Now that we have an approximate release date for Super Smash Bros. Wii U (before the end of 2014) we can make a more accurate prediction lol.
Shin Megami Tensei IV had terrible legs, in the second half of the year it was outsold by Persona 4 Golden which was released a year earlier.
michaelius
Banned
Hero of Legend
Member
I am curious of what the last numbers were at what point before Dec 29th.
I looked up SMT4 and it looked like it was at 237.920 during Week 25, 2013 (Jun 17 - Jun 23), so it was a very slow crawl. Now where was P4G?
Bruno MB
Member
242k - June 30, 2013
250k - ? (that was the previous LTD number in gamedatamuseum but I don't know the exact date)
256k - December 29, 2013
2nd half 2013
P4G - 14k / 256k
SMT IV - 11k / 251k
Principate
Saint Titanfall
How is that possible (I mean the general terrible legs statement), didn't it open lower than P4 Golden, now it's according to that data it sold around the same. Either the P4 data is old as hell or the legs weren't half as bad as your implying.
Famitsu
01./00. [3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV # <RPG> (Atlus) {2013.05.23} (¥6.980) - 184.811
01./00. [PSV] Persona 4 Golden <RPG> (Atlus) {2012.06.14} (¥7.329) - 152,499
Media-Create
01./00. [3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV # <RPG> (Atlus) {2013.05.23} (¥6.980) - 188.562 / NEW <80,14%>
01./00. [PSV] Persona 4 Golden <RPG> (Atlus) {2012.06.14} (¥7.329) - 137.076 / NEW <84,11%>
Principate
Saint Titanfall
which tracker was that?
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sleeping_dragon
Banned
When is the PS4 release in Japan? I thought it was this month.
Zekra Dezivad
Member
This might be missing something since it's from Gamefaqs but
03/06
Doraemon: Shin Nobita no Daimakyou - Peko to 5-nin no Tankentai
Senran Kagura Burst: Guren no Shoujotachi (Best Collection)
03/13
Penguin no Mondai+ Bakushou! Roulette Battle!!
03/20
Game Center CX: 3-Choume no Arino
Hero Bank
Mario Party: Island Tour
03/27
New Love Plus+
That's how much you can trade them in for.
cj_iwakura
Member
Come to think of it, 3DS doesn't have a lot coming out I'm interested in, but Vita is in beast mode.
cardinalmind
Member
That two right there might do the trick for the 3DS. Come on new love plus? Instant Waifu/Otaku seller right there. Though it will compete with Project Diva f2. That would be an interesting matchup.
Mario is Mario, most probably be an evergreen title in Japan. They love dem Mario there.
Love Plus is dead. Konami killed the brand with the last entry that had a lot of bugs and was impossible to play. O doubt fans will buy that again.
1st Course
Member
Any reports on Wii Fit U sales yet? Fit and Fit+ were a huge success on the Wii so it will be interesting to see how this one will perform.
It's been available on the eshop for 3 months. I doubt the retail version will set the charts on fire. Especially considering how that bombed in Europe.
Woah, what kind of bug here? Konami is a total mess :/
When it bombs, pull a Mind Zero and localize to recoup costs.
No thanks if it sucks like the last one tho.
Herb Alpert
Banned
1st Course
Member
According to Nintendo many people still play Wii Fit in Japan, Iwata also said it's one of their biggest trump cards:
Nintendo: Half a million Japanese people still play Wii Fit daily
shinra-bansho
Member
Survey of whom... need more methodology.
Herb Alpert
Banned
does this count people that use the balance board as a wedge on a piece of furniture?
jeremy1456
Junior Member
*reads posts on the media create. "Vita is doing well!"*
*Sees Vita sales numbers."
What the heck? It's not exactly doing well. It's doing better than the Wii U for sure, but it's just barely more alive than dead.
*Looks at Vita release calendar.*
Oh boy...
*Sees Vita sales numbers."
What the heck? It's not exactly doing well. It's doing better than the Wii U for sure, but it's just barely more alive than dead.
*Looks at Vita release calendar.*
Oh boy...
Well enough to encourage Japan devs (except Capcom) to keep making games, unlike WiiU.
Seriously. Does he really think the Wii Fit audience is interested in buying a new $300 console for the next Wii Fit game? Jeez.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Their big games aren't even as big, combined, as Smash Bros. Or Mario Kart.
The biggest games are expansions, ports, or niche games.
I wouldn't be totally shocked if the Wii U overtakes its YTD at the end of the year.
So which neogaf user is he ?
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Without a price drop, and original software so will the Vita.
I think even Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, not even the biggest Wii U title this year by a long shot, will sell in line with the highest selling individual pieces of Vita software released in 2014.
Last year already show us having a steady release schedule is way more important than having Nintendo evergreen titles every 3 month. Sorry, you are not crazy Iwata.