Cosmo Clock 21
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Any monthly grossing numbers in there? I'd like to start attempting to make correlations between chart ranking and actual revenue.
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Media Create Sales: Week 41, 2014 (Oct 06 - Oct 12)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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I tried to work together a bit of a list earlier.
What I ended up with was:
#1: $3-$4 million a day
#2: ~$2 million a day
#3 (and maybe #4, exact tweet timing was hard to say): ~$1 million a day
#11: Was $90K, plausibly now higher
#4-#10 and some other scatted spots through the top #100: See the last quote, but as a quick summary:
Chain Chronicle/PuyoPuyo averaged $150,752+ per day with a peak of 4 and 6 respectively. Spent most of the month notably lower than those peaks, primarily in the 10 to 40 range.
Border Break averaged $30,153+ a day. Peaked at 9, but spent much of its time at around 50 or lower.
The soccer game averaged about $15,000+ a day. It peaked at 55, and spent most of its time between 100 and 150.
All right, here we go.
Sega's month revenue figures. I'm going to treat each game as their performance in May 2014 as the press release came out on June 20th and they take some time to prepare.
Chain Chronicle/PuyoPuyo averaged $150,752+ per day with a peak of 4 and 6 respectively. Spent most of the month notably lower than those peaks, primarily in the 10 to 40 range.
Border Break averaged $30,153+ a day. Peaked at 9, but spent much of its time at around 50 or lower.
The soccer game averaged about $15,000+ a day. It peaked at 55, and spent most of its time between 100 and 150.
If I had to guess, I'd say that #5 right now is probably pulling in at least $200-$300K a day if not more given how short of a time Chain Chronicle and PuyoPuyo were at that position and that they were $150K+ averages for the month still.
Slowly, they're joining the fun! Million Arthur, the best game ever, is coming, so now it's all easier for Nintendo!111!!!
Seriously, though, next handheld will probably be enough powerful and with enough tools to support cheap and easy mobile ports.
201X hardware or bust. Region free that shit too. But I have my fingers crossed for an OS platform that runs on both console & handheld.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Well considering they have that functionality on the Wii U of all things (even if it's underutilized), I'm pretty sure it'll be on their next handheld, where it clearly makes more sense.
Someone is making those Vita baseball games and Harem Gear Solid:
He's talking about an update a year after GT6's release.
shinra-bansho
Member
I thought super secret blogger was supposed to be moving to somewhere else with his writings anyway? Is this the new move?
It's not as impactful to discussion though considering we do get a full array of numbers from three trackers for Japan. We just need to wait a bit longer.
It's not as impactful to discussion though considering we do get a full array of numbers from three trackers for Japan. We just need to wait a bit longer.
He has already moved and I'm talking about the new location.
And yeah it shouldn't have much effect.
Japanese leakers have appeared and disappeared many times before. It's not something that happens for first time.
new releases {2014.10.23}
[3DS] Tales of the World: Reve Unitia <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥5.627)
[3DS] Tetsudou Nippon! Rosen Tabi: Eizan Densha Hen <SLG> (Sonic Powered) (¥6.264)
[PSV] Super Hero Generation # <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥7.171)
[PSV] Super Hero Generation (Special Sound Edition) <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥10.260)
[PSV] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2014 <SPT> (Konami) (¥7.538)
[PSP] Pre Pia: Prince Pia Carrot <ADV> (HuneX) (¥7.020)
[PS4] PsychoBreak # <ADV> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥7.884)
[PS4] PsychoBreak (PlayStation 4 PsychoBreak Limited Edition Jet Black) <ADV> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥52.898)
[PS4] PsychoBreak (PlayStation 4 PsychoBreak Limited Edition Glacier White) <ADV> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥52.898)
[XB1] PsychoBreak <ADV> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥7.884)
[PS3] PsychoBreak <ADV> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥6.264)
[PS3] Super Hero Generation # <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥8.208)
[PS3] Super Hero Generation (Special Sound Edition) <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥11.286)
[PS3] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2014 <SPT> (Konami) (¥7.538)
[PS3] BlazBlue: Chrono Phantasma [PlayStation 3 the Best] <FTG> (Arc System Works) (¥3.024)
[360] PsychoBreak <ADV> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥6.264)
[3DS] Tales of the World: Reve Unitia <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥5.627)
[3DS] Tetsudou Nippon! Rosen Tabi: Eizan Densha Hen <SLG> (Sonic Powered) (¥6.264)
[PSV] Super Hero Generation # <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥7.171)
[PSV] Super Hero Generation (Special Sound Edition) <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥10.260)
[PSV] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2014 <SPT> (Konami) (¥7.538)
[PSP] Pre Pia: Prince Pia Carrot <ADV> (HuneX) (¥7.020)
[PS4] PsychoBreak # <ADV> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥7.884)
[PS4] PsychoBreak (PlayStation 4 PsychoBreak Limited Edition Jet Black) <ADV> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥52.898)
[PS4] PsychoBreak (PlayStation 4 PsychoBreak Limited Edition Glacier White) <ADV> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥52.898)
[XB1] PsychoBreak <ADV> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥7.884)
[PS3] PsychoBreak <ADV> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥6.264)
[PS3] Super Hero Generation # <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥8.208)
[PS3] Super Hero Generation (Special Sound Edition) <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥11.286)
[PS3] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2014 <SPT> (Konami) (¥7.538)
[PS3] BlazBlue: Chrono Phantasma [PlayStation 3 the Best] <FTG> (Arc System Works) (¥3.024)
[360] PsychoBreak <ADV> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥6.264)
theprodigy
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we don't really need leakers for Japan nearly as much as we do elsewhere though, so eh
Indeed, their next handheld might well catch up with the Vita, six years later.
Of course, the mobile goalposts will have moved considerably by then, so who knows what'll happen.
I think 3DS Q4 battle will be the next table I'll update every week after PS4 race to drop below PS3.
Code:
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|Week| 2013 | 2014 |
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| 40 | 122.987 | 122.987 | 22.490 | 22.490 |
| 41 | 213.570 | 336.557 | 261.873 | 284.263 | -> MH4G / new 3DS LL / new 3DS
| 42 | 154.578 | 491.135 | | |
| 43 | 109.508 | 600.643 | | |
| 44 | 88.376 | 689.019 | | |
| 45 | 81.817 | 770.836 | | | -> new 3DS LL Smash
| 46 | 70.102 | 840.938 | | |
| 47 | 84.506 | 925.444 | | | -> OR/AS
| 48 | 108.373 | 1.033.817 | | |
| 49 | 125.269 | 1.159.086 | | |
| 50 | 181.556 | 1.340.642 | | | -> YW2: SU
| 51 | 232.600 | 1.573.242 | | |
| 52 | 201.703 | 1.774.945 | | |
--------------------------------------------------New 3DS Smash comes on week 45, not 46.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Thanks Chris, should be interesting as I think it could reach last year's numbers with ease due to the New 3DS.
You think ORAS could reach 3 million by year-end?
If it opens close to 1,5m maybe.
As for new 3DS continued sellouts and restocks I don't think Nintendo wants to flood the market with big shipments before remaining stock for old models starts to disappear.
Has Youkai Watch money gone too far?
Hino, president of Level 5 wants to transform the company into something more like Disney and wants to do it in the next 5 years. He doesn't want level 5 to just be a regular game making company, but a company focused on worldwide entertainment.
Source is his latest interview:
Hino, president of Level 5 wants to transform the company into something more like Disney and wants to do it in the next 5 years. He doesn't want level 5 to just be a regular game making company, but a company focused on worldwide entertainment.
Source is his latest interview:
Psycho_Mantis
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Someone is making those Vita baseball games and Harem Gear Solid:
He's talking about an update a year after GT6's release.
Yeah or they could be waiting till the numbers are somewhat acceptable.
That Nisekoi game actually looks cool. I would play that if it had nothing to do about Nisekoi.
Buy Ghibli and fund their movies L5
Buy Ghibli and fund their movies L5
Good idea. Ghibli saved!
P.S: Can you (or someone) make a thread about it for me?
Pennywise83
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Buy Ghibli and fund their movies L5
Unfortunately, Ghibli's willingness to dismantle movie production didn't come from financial problems.
Well, IIRC Hino's aim has always been to turn L5 into a multimedia product company.
BishopLamont
Banned
I doubt ORAS will reach 3m by year's end, its launching a bit late, i think 2.5M would be the maximum.
3ds will have a good start in 2015, i think better than even 2014, only problem is next year's holiday lineup, it's gonna be interesting to see how Nintendo handles it.
3ds will have a good start in 2015, i think better than even 2014, only problem is next year's holiday lineup, it's gonna be interesting to see how Nintendo handles it.
I think the old models are nearly gone anyway, I think it'll only last a week or two more considering how it's been selling despite the revision.
I remember this.
http://www.businessinsider.com/rovios-peter-vesterbacka-talks-about-the-new-angry-bird-game-2012-3
To be fair they kept relevance very well compared to their contemporaries.
Pennywise83
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At least L5 has been able to create more than one successful IP.
But they've kept the same number alive. *trollface.gif*
BishopLamont
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but the live one right now is the biggest for them ever
rovio's milking is second to none, can't believe they actually said their goal is to be much bigger than disney with the way they handled their only IP.
Pennywise83
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The same one that is proving L5 is able to create successful IPs over and over, while Rovio is struggling to find something else than Angry Birds.
BishopLamont
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While they did make a few titles besides AB, it shows they never really tried to expand their portfolio beyond AB, not sure how they expect to remain relevant, let alone get bigger with such a strategy.
Actually this is kind of an interesting question. What's the bigger feat, keeping a major brand alive and healthy for a long time or launching new ones every few years even if they burn up quick?
I'm not asking this rhetorically.
It's like the Nintendo approach versus the Activision one if we prefer different companies, where Nintendo's biggest IPs are from ages ago, but Activision's are mostly different than their past.
BishopLamont
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AB stayed alive thanks to it's gimmick/uniqueness, L5's IPs died because they milked it too much.
In the end, one company stayed in control of their IPs despite them dying, while the other failed to keep the one IP they wanted to keep alive.
Once AB took off, it was on auto-pilot, Rovio didn't do much to keep it alive, it just happen to come out at the right time when smartphone was booming.
Credit to them for being able to make merchandise out of AB, but when the reason you're successful is because of the game, it's a good idea to focus on that, rather than the kickbacks you get from the games.
In what sense? Angry Birds Transformers is currently #2 on the download charts after Facebook Messenger.
It's not grossing super high, but at this point AB games seem more like merchandizing platforms given their merch deals with Hasbro for every new sub brand and the seemingly large focus on the movie.
Like Stella seemed to be a pretty clear move to make more Angry Birds toys that would appeal to young girls instead of just the next
traditional Angry Birds entry.
BishopLamont
Banned
Aren't their profits get lower each quarter? I remember talk of their merchandise doing well, but not their games. I don't see the game and the IP as a whole surviving if the games are on a decline.
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/business/Angry-Birds-maker-Rovio-to-lay-off-130-staff/shdaily.shtml
130 staff layed off due to lagging sales, not sure if that means the games or the merchandising also
Sorry just saw your edit.
This is one thing that encourages me about Youkai Watch actually. They seem to understand better than before how key merchandizing is in keeping a brand alive.
Their earnings went up every year actually. They just hired 300 more employees in 2013 which made their profits go down.
BishopLamont
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Here's another article: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/angry-birds-chief-to-step-down-2014-08-29-11485537
recent games not selling well, after they moved from a pay to play to f2p, ceo stepping down.
edit: oh nvm
Pennywise83
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To be fair, Professor Layton has been alive and healthy (if by healthy you mean profitable) for 5-6 years (2007: the first entry on DS; 2013: the last one on 3DS). Inazuma Eleven for 4-5 years in Japan, and it's still quite successful in Europe because of lagged release. The only L5's IP that was burned very quicly is LBX, that lasted like 2 years.
Yes, the f2p games don't rank very well in the grossing charts even when they get a ton of downloads. They're not very aggressive monetizers having tried a few.
At this point they seem to do better as zero barrier launch pads for media and toys.
The organization itself laid off everyone who wasn't working on games, media, or toys with that layoff set. Not sure exactly what they were doing otherwise that got canned.
That said the games do still make 58% of that $200 million.
This is part of why I switched the example companies to a slightly more distinct pair since those two have been around for 30 years of video gaming or so instead.
Rovio hasn't lasted quite long enough to serve as an amazing example.
Majora's Mask 3D, come on! Time to give the 3DS what it needs, Nintendo.
I remember a website where you could search through Media Create and/or Famitsu sales data. Basically a database going way back. I can't seem to find it though, does anyone have the URL for me or am I misremembering stuff?
BishopLamont
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I'm not sure hiring new employees and going f2p is the sole reason for such a dip in profits, either way, merchandising is the way to go for them, but they have to take care of the AB game if they want to keep the brand as whole alive imo.
garaph.info
i think chris also has a database somewhere.
and don't worry bout MM3D, that's definitely coming out next year, believe.
Yes, I think that's actually why they aren't aggressively monetizing even if they don't make as much money in them.
Clash of Clans and Candy Crush turn off huge amounts of players and spend $30-$60+ million a year on tv ads trying to get new ones to replace them.
Rovio needs people to walk away happy even if they don't spend money to keep them liking the brand.
BishopLamont
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Ah yeah, going f2p is probably the best move they could make to improve it's longevity, maybe i am underestimating them a bit, considering they are quite young like you said.
This is why I've never thought L5 as a milker in the traditional sense, they milked their IPs for all its worth because they didn't kill their IPs too quick. They've also said people get tired of sequels and would rather make new IPs to keep it fresh, I think this has been their way of business since the start. Sure it would be better if they kept layton/inazuma alive for longer, but the reality is that not many IPs can survive long, even if the owners try.
They're a bit unusual in that they're not driven overwhelmingly by game profits like you would normally expect of a game company.
That might not be a terrible model for Level 5 given they're actually having major and increasing success with toys and media as well, and given they sell retail products instead of mobile games ideally it's easier to always make sure someone walks away happy as sales and happiness normally walk hand in hand in the retail arena.
In mobile major sales are more about mining people who will spend gigantic amounts of money, though there are some exceptions that succeed by sheer volume.
If one of them can launch more brands and keep them both alive then I think they will be the one to have found the most successful path, whatever it may be.
BishopLamont
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taking all that into account, both companies are kinda even on the playing field in that AB is successful worldwide, while YW would have an easier time selling merchandise, like you said, due to it being a full priced game on dedicated hardware and its not just a time waster like AB. I am talking relatively based on YW's success in Japan, i know AB merchandising far exceed's YW's merchandising atm. YW has the more hardcore fans I suppose.
L5 needs to create an international hit, not just in Japan, i don't think YW will have a big impact in the west, while Rovio needs to take care of AB, while trying to expand their games portfolio. Either way, I think both have their goals set right and i think they both have the potential to become much bigger, although not disney big =p
its like wanting to be as big as Nintendo, that doesn't happen in only a few years with only 1 or 2 relevant IPs.
Sammy Samusu
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That's actually a pretty good idea. Didn't Sony say something about having a big holiday game for PS4 in Japan?
BishopLamont
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Isn't minecraft vita free for all minecraft ps3 owners? ps4 should get the same offering.
I read the Disney comments as more of a long term goal and easy explanation of their strategy.
Disney's rise to prominence was essentially making a bunch of successful, very long lasting kid focused IPs that parents would pass down to their children and sometimes still enjoy as adults.
They later (often through acquisition) expanded to IPs that would target more squarely at various levels of older audiences, with Marvel and Star Wars being two recent examples, though still working on maintaining the core of the company through the rebirth of WDAS and acquisitions like Pixar.
Smartly, the older appealing IPs were also able to be leveraged to appeal to kids as well, with some having roots there. It brings people into their brands at an early age.
BishopLamont
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Yeah I understand Hino's line of thought, but it's Rovio's comments thats a bit funny, because they explicitly said they want to be "much bigger" than Disney.