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Media Create Sales: Week 44, 2012 (Oct 29 - Nov 04)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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shira
Member
Pull the plug? Or give em the last rites and pray?
Supermanisdead
Member
:O Really? Wikipedia has it for November 8 in Japan.
Ys Celceta has better numbers than Ys Oath of Felghana or YS Chronicles I & II on PSP. And it's also a remake of a already launched Ys.
Only the newest entry, Ys VII, has better sales.
EDit: It has sold better than Ys at PS2 habitat. Celceta debuted at 44k, iirc
http://garaph.info/softwaregroup.php?grid=188
slaughterking
Member
Maybe, but someone told it was delayed to January.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Felghana was the 2nd port of a Ys III remake, Chronicles was the Nth port of I & II. Celceta should be selling much better, even though it's a remake it's still the game's initial release and not a years later PC port.
bigtroyjon
Member
PSP(2011 YTD)= 1,663,371
PSP+PSV(2012)=1,267,784(-23.8%)
Looking ahead to Week 45, PSP did 23,472 in 2011.
3DS+DS(2011 YTD)=2,965,597
3DS+DS(2012 YTD)=3,685,171(+24.3%)
Looking ahead to week 45, 3DS+DS did 106,642 in 2011.
All handhelds(2011 YTD)=4,628,968
All handhelds(2012 YTD)=4,952,955 (+7.0%)
Some extra info looking ahead, total sales for 2011.
PSP=2,079,152
PSP+PSV=2,519,138(Need to average 156.4K a week to match last year.)
3DS=4,282,142
3DS+DS=4,939,929(Need to average 156.8K a week to match last year.)
All handhelds=7,459,067(Handhelds need to average 313.3K a week to match last year.)
PSP+PSV(2012)=1,267,784(-23.8%)
Looking ahead to Week 45, PSP did 23,472 in 2011.
3DS+DS(2011 YTD)=2,965,597
3DS+DS(2012 YTD)=3,685,171(+24.3%)
Looking ahead to week 45, 3DS+DS did 106,642 in 2011.
All handhelds(2011 YTD)=4,628,968
All handhelds(2012 YTD)=4,952,955 (+7.0%)
Some extra info looking ahead, total sales for 2011.
PSP=2,079,152
PSP+PSV=2,519,138(Need to average 156.4K a week to match last year.)
3DS=4,282,142
3DS+DS=4,939,929(Need to average 156.8K a week to match last year.)
All handhelds=7,459,067(Handhelds need to average 313.3K a week to match last year.)
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Is there anything that could revive Vita in Japan (longer than a week or two) ?
God Eater 2 is the closest thing to MH that Vita owners will get, but since it'll also be released on PSP, I doubt it will sell that much on Vita
Soul Sacrifice. But that is going to get eaten by a Tigrex anyway so meh.
jimmypython
Member
Is there anything that could revive Vita in Japan (longer than a week or two) ?
God Eater 2 is the closest thing to MH that Vita owners will get, but since it'll also be released on PSP, I doubt it will sell that much on Vita
As I said in last week's sales thread. The only thing SCEJ can do right now is moneyhatting big IPs as Vita exclusives (no PS3/Vita or PSP/Vita BS) if they still want to save it. Regardless Sony has the resource or not, this is the only way to revive Vita. Price cut is not the answer but it won't hurt if they do one. By big IPs I mean FF, KH, DQ, MH, Tales, Super Robot Wars, MGS and Yakuza, or traditional Nintendo handheld IPs like Ace Attorney, Professor Layton and Love Plus.
Because investing in new IP is too late and no 3rd party publisher is willing to develop on the Vita without the input from SCEJ while they can make games for the 3DS which has a bigger user base and less development cost.
I'd be REALLY surprised if Soul Sacrifice manages to sell more than 120k copies. Not even talking about it becoming a million seller.
I know Vita has just passed 1 million sales in Japan, but I think it needs software that every Vita owner + non-Vita owners would want to play.
ahh, I love how this graph excludes winning consoles, is cute and sad at the same time
really?
OMG...
Well, relaunch the system and being able to do decent numbers for the PSP successor doesn't mean to be able to directly compete against the best selling HW, I think.
Well, first of all I don't think that MH and DQ mean everything: do you think that Wii had the best third party support, due to the fact that it had both MH and DQ, compared to the PS3?
I don't think so.
But, most importantly: I clearly stated that up to now the only reasons that can still make some of us gaffers think about a possible relaunch of the system are previous bad situation for Sony HWs (unlike bad situations of Nintendo HWs - and no, 3DS didn't have a situation as bad as Vita's one, so I'm talking about GC and N64 here) that turned at a certain point into decent/good situations (both PSP and PS3 were able to change their fate that was terrible into respectively a very good and a decent destiny in Japan)
That means that up to now there is no firm and solid argument that can make us believe that Vita will be able to make this deep turning point, so...
electroplankton
Banned
Don't they mean anything? Lol. It means that this "historically Sony is also able to convince third parties in developing for its hws" is not true, but it wasn't even able to keep a franchise that basically built up its existence on PSP, and was the main reason why the platform succeed in Japan.
PSP and PS3 were NEVER EVER in such a bad situation. They always had AT LEAST important announced game to be released sooner or later. ALWAYS. You cannot bring up as a point the turnaround of PS3, that could count on the main Final Fantasy, yearly Yakuza, yearly Winning Eleven, the main Resident Evil, etc.
So?
grimshawish
Banned
Animal Crossing is out of stock on amazon.jp, back in stock on the 12th.
creid
Member
Is the PSP version significantly different from the 3DS version? They released the same week, so I don't see why delays would be the problem.
Supermanisdead
Member
jimmypython
Member
For a time (when Japanese people were not ready for HD gaming, which is mainly because PS3 sucked at the time), Wii had a much better 3rd party support than PS3. Beside MH3 and an early annoucement of DQX, it's also got DQ Sword, Project Zero 4, Resident Evil Chronicle games, Tales of Symphonia 2, Tales of Graces, Tenchu 4, Samuri Warriors 3, 2 FFCC titles, Basara 3, Super Robot Wars etc. It pretty much got every major IP from big 3rd publishers (beside MGS I guess).
So I would say MH and DQ do mean something.
Exterminieren
Banned
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Can't believe Vita sales have sunk this low. Sony? Anyone there?
BassForever
Member
I don't think it's going to really be that big for either system, will probably be top 5 at like 200k for the PS3 version then drop off.
Incredibly poorly, and no it's not out yet anywhere.
kobashi100
Banned
Think the damage has already been done over the last few years.
3DS and Wii versions were always delayed.
I still not sure if the the fan base is there on nintendo machines though. Think people just prefer playing on Sony Consoles.
Lets see next year how the Wii U version does.
PSP and 3DS are the same game I think, 3DS just has the 3D functionality added on.
Y's is the only version from Falcom. Neither the PCE nor the SFC versions were made by them.
For all intents and purpose it's a brand new game and I can't think that they're happy with the sales. Comparing it to years old ports is desinginous and shouldn't be done.
Ys: Celceta suffered from severe shortages, and Falcom not having anything to do with Kiseki Evolution (they didn't develop, nor publish that port of a game already playable on Vita) didn't stop you from mentioning that they should jump ships. Because of the shortages issue there may be copies Media Create doesn't count that have been sold in regards to Ys. Falcom's financials will say if they were happy or not with its' performance. As for Kiseki, I honestly do not believe Evolution is indicative of what a new entry would do on Vita. It was a glitchy port of a game already playable on Vita from a non-Falcom entity.
The 3DS version has online play too.
So your brand image/game now means "they have nothing to do with it"?
For all intents and purpose, Kiseki bombed and the bad port tarnishes the brand's image. They should definitely pay attention to it. Celceta should have been able to pull Y's VII numbers, it didn't and the tired "shortages" excuse hardly holds.
brutal
I don't think you can reasonably draw a conclusion from the sales of a bad port of a game already playable on that platform. What Falcom should take away from that is that they should look for better partners with their ports, but given bad Falcom ports aren't an uncommon thing I suspect that'll fall upon deaf ears.
As for Celceta, I honestly do not think it has done poorly, and I suspect the sell outs may have given the game more PSN sales than it would have. Do I think the game's at 80-100k with PSN? No, but I think there's more to the game's sales than what has been shown. Falcom has even said there's been increased interest in the digital versions of their games, signaling out Celceta. That said, they'll say if the game did well, or not when they release their report that includes the game's release.
It has, also, sold more than any Ys released on PS2.
There is a (clear) fact: Ys Celceta on Vita is the second best selling game of the saga on a Sony platform, only behind of a new numbered entry.
And no, 40-50k are not poor numbers for a Ys game. In fact they are great.
70k+ is what Ys VII did. Those are, directly, greatly amazing numbers for a game in the saga.
To be expected
.I wonder how Paper Mario will end up doing in Dec being the first PM game on a handheld. The other games within the series did pretty well from my memory.
With that and Crashmo done, Intelligent Systems only have that Game & Wario title left now.
Historically Sony system never sold this bad though (except maybe PSP Go) so that PSP/PS3 can not be used as comparison. So there is really no previous experience to talk about.
Velcro Fly
Member
How low will it go next week with AC coming out? Will we see sub 4k? And how many 3DS will be sold? Sales for this week might be more brutal than the numbers that were just released.
There are 2 new colors and the 32GB Bonus Pack at 15 November for Vita. It could be lower again this week but it's just the calm before the storm.
Exterminieren
Banned
Storm = more than 4 figures, yeah?
What I tried to say is that the only reason why some people still think that it doable a turning point for Vita is that recently it was possible for Sony HWs to do this kind of turning point.
I've never said that the possible and eventual Vita's turning point would lead into a PSP/PS3 renaissance. Also because even PS3 relaunch was/is not directly comparable to PSP one for example (I don't know if this is because home market in Japan is not so strong compared to the portable one or whatever).
I dont thin so. You listed just minor projects, especially compared to the PS3 ones.
Take a look to the software results of those titles you listed compared to the PS3 titles on the market at the same time (dsepite the huge install base difference).
Especially for titles as FF (Crystal chronicles VS XII?) or Resident Evil (Chronicles onreail VS main 5th episode?), while titles as Tenchu or FF4 are irrelevant in terms of sales.
So you are so focused on shutting down any remote possible chance for Vita to do a turning point (as if our talk here could have some relevance...) that you didn't notice that I stated that up to now there is no real and reliable and concrete reason to think about a possible real relaunch of Vita.
Sammy Samusu
Member
I don't think you guys understand...
Disgaea Vita: 54,902 LTD
Niche: relating to or aimed at a small specialized group or market
Kiseki Vita: 30,131 LTD
Ys Vita: 42,905 LTD
Enough to pay all 45 employees.
http://andriasang.com/con0zj/nippon_ichi_earnings/
Disgaea Vita: 54,902 LTD
Niche: relating to or aimed at a small specialized group or market
Kiseki Vita: 30,131 LTD
Ys Vita: 42,905 LTD
Enough to pay all 45 employees.
Much better support?
You have listed a DQ spinoff (that sold well),a RE spinoff, a ToS spinoff, a FFCC spinoff (not even part of the fabula crystallis bullshit),, some niche IPs like tenchu and fatal frame (this one published by nintendo) when all the big budget third party games were released or in development for ps3.
Edit:
Just because I feel compelled to remember some more silly spinoff for Wii:
Samurai warrior spinoff (first persong action game), castlevania spinof (fighting game), soul calibur spinoff (action game), dead space extraction (first person experience lol)
Exterminieren
Banned
Next week is the start of the golden Media Create time of year.
Do we reckon that the Animal Crossing/Mystery Dungeon/Paper Mario/NSMB2 Christmas bump combo will get 3DS sales anywhere near where they were last year?
Do we reckon that the Animal Crossing/Mystery Dungeon/Paper Mario/NSMB2 Christmas bump combo will get 3DS sales anywhere near where they were last year?
StoppedInTracks
Member
I was thinking "it can't be worse for Vita, can it?" and then I remembered by reading this thread 3DS gets DQ7 and MH4.
Game. Over.
Sony needs FF7r on Vita, stat.
Game. Over.
Sony needs FF7r on Vita, stat.
When is Mystery Dungeon out?
There is a more healthy library now than last year with the titles you've already listed, so I could see it doing about the same as before. Also to add, Professor Layton vs Ace Attorney might help a little as well.
frankie_baby
Member
If anything I see 3ds doing slightly better this December
grimshawish
Banned
Part of me says 'no' but Nintendo has another big big hit this year and Animal Crossing will bring an entirely different audience from Monster Hunter. Same with Mystery Dungeon.
Whilst Paper Mario should keep the more active gaming audience happy I think were set for a pretty big casual sell this year. Especially with the array of bundles that will be out and XL's for New Year...
We'll see I guess.
Diddy Kong
Banned
Damn Vita.