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[Mato]

i don't even think getting the machine to $200 worldwide will do it. the world just doesn't care.

I'm not entirely convinced that is the case. If they dropped the gamepad and showed more of the pro controller then they might just manage to push a few million units and give Wii U a more graceful transitional period until whatever they have coming up next comes out. I think the gamepad might actually be putting people off, buyers are just not interested in the damn thing and Nintendo has nothing to show for it. A repackaged Wii U wouldn't be a big success. But at this point even sub/borderline Gamecube levels of sales would be sufficient.

 

[liger05]

I'm not entirely convinced that is the case. If they dropped the gamepad and showed more of the pro controller then they might just manage to push a few million units and give Wii U a more graceful transitional period until whatever they have coming up next comes out. I think the gamepad might actually be putting people off, buyers are just not interested in the damn thing and Nintendo has nothing to show for it. A repackaged Wii U wouldn't be a big success. But at this point even sub/borderline Gamecube levels of sales would be sufficient.

Even though the game pad has all the buttons and sticks a traditional controller has I to think it's a problem. I think people just see it as too big and another gimmick controller from Nintendo.

 

[TheZjman]

I'm not entirely convinced that is the case. If they dropped the gamepad and showed more of the pro controller then they might just manage to push a few million units and give Wii U a more graceful transitional period until whatever they have coming up next comes out. I think the gamepad might actually be putting people off, buyers are just not interested in the damn thing and Nintendo has nothing to show for it. A repackaged Wii U wouldn't be a big success. At this point even sub/borderline Gamecube levels of sales would be sufficient.

Working in game retail, i would say it's just a distinct lack of knowledge that the thing even exists due to lack of advertising and word of mouth.

Barely anyone has had a 'must-buy' experience beyond the Nintendo faithful that they have passed on.

I've had parents come in and ask about XB1 and PS4's with no prior knowledge of either, but everyone is talking about it, so they just buy into it.

Similarly, i've had dozens ask me what a Wii U is and one even got in a rage towards me because she bought a Wii U game and didn't realize it wouldn't work with Wii. And that is deadly serious.

 

[Mato]

Working in game retail, i would say it's just a distinct lack of knowledge that the thing even exists due to lack of advertising and word of mouth.

Barely anyone has had a 'must-buy' experience beyond the Nintendo faithful that they have passed on.

I've had parents come in and ask about XB1 and PS4's with no prior knowledge of either, but everyone is talking about it, so they just buy into it.

Similarly, i've had dozens ask me what a Wii U is and one even got in a rage towards me because she bought a Wii U game and didn't realize it wouldn't work with Wii. And that is deadly serious.

Of course that is also part of the problem but that can be solved, easily actually. I hear they are advertising rather aggressively these past few weeks. I think the reason for this past year's lack of advertising might be the fact that Nintendo didn't feel confident enough to market a machine that had a complete lack system sellers, something that is now partially solved with SM3DW. But the question remains, are people willing to spent 300$ on Wii U? Would perhaps a 200$ sans-gamepad, redesigned/renamed package have a better chance? There's no way to turn the cow into a bull but maybe the cow's got some milk to give.

 

[Mpl90]

You know, this sales week spawned two spin-offs threads about Lighting Returns's and Mario's debuts, but I thought another important piece of news would have been considered that important. This!

From 1 Jan, Famitsu will publish download sales on a montly basis.

In the latest issue of Famitsu, they've published Sep/Oct sales as a teaser (retail figure in parentheses).

Sep:
1. 3DS Monster Hunter 4 225,324 (2,542,114)
2. PS3 Final Fantasy XIV 22,807 (217,644)
3. PSV Ragnarok Odyssey Ace 6595 (46,788)
4. PSV Killzone Mercenary 6403 (18,582)
5. PSV Sen no Kiseki 4489 (93,674)
6. PS3 Jojo's Bizarre Adventure 4411 (447,385)
7. PSV Musou Orochi 2 Ultimate 3853 (24,825)
8. PS3 Musou Orochi 2 Ultimate 3833 (82,986)
9. 3DS Animal Crossing 3806 (44,579)
10. PS3 Dead or Alive Ultimate 3262 (24,781)
--. PS3 Sen no Kiseki 1691 (71,868)
--. 3DS Mario & Luigi RPG4 2264 (49,905)
--. 3DS Youkai Watch 1175 (37,493)
--. WiiU Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD 2659 (31,154)

Oct:
1. 3DS Pokemon X&Y 33911 (2,953,059)
2. 3DS Monster Hunter 4 30,879 (433,365)
3. PSV SakaTsuku 7462 (40,795)
4. PS3 Final Fantasy XIV 6516 (13,681)
5. PS3 Jikkyou Powerful Pro Basegall 2013 6201 (84,103)
6. PSV Danganronpa 1&2 Reload 5697 (88,334)
7. PS3 SakaTsuku 5614 (91,085)
8. PS3 Blazblue Chrono Phantasma 4156 (85,285)
9. PSP Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2013 3104 (37,982)
10. PS3 Fairy Fencer F 2971 (48,190)
--. PS3 Rain 36,488 (-)
--. PS3 GTAV -- (437,593)
--. PS3 Tales of Symphonia Unisonant Pack 2585 (100,926)
--. 3DS Sentouchuu 1601 (62,444)

For the first time, we're getting REAL download numbers. It's just so good to finally have something much more concrete than what we were getting before, except for the times Nintendo directly addressed the matter. It's quite exciting, I admit. I hope other trackers, especially outside of Japan, will start doing it as well.

 

[Scum]

You do wonder just how much the wii u Games drought hurt the system. They had it worse than the west which is unbelievable. No Japanese third party support and there was very little Nintendo software releases for months.

During this time people would be traded in there wii u or just let it collect dust and any sort of enthusiasm for the console one may of had was likely sucked away due to no games.

I think the way Nintendo handled handled wii u in Japan was nothing but shambolic and they probably thought third parties over their would fill the gaps but it didn't happen.

We're all seeing the results of this now. Like I said earlier, people are just bored of waiting. Output is shambolic from NCL, but what do you expect? When it's pretty much just NCL making the games. :-/

 

[Busaiku]

Are Nintendo/Sony actually sharing them, or are they gonna be estimates too?
How would you even track something like this?

 

[DaBoss]

Are Nintendo/Sony actually sharing them, or are they gonna be estimates too?
How would you even track something like this?

You know, that's a really good question. Is anyone able to ask Famitsu about it?

 

[Steel]

God Vitatv's sales are disappointing. Too bad sony didn't understand that that could have sold gangbusters internationally with the right hype. Only hope for Vita right now is remote play, lest it drift along on sub-mediocre fumes. Still, better than the outright trainwreck that the Wii U is in the midst of. Nintendo needs to make new hardware by this time next year.

My condolences Wii U owners, and I say that as a vita owner.

 

[Mpl90]

You know, that's a really good question. Is anyone able to ask Famitsu about it?

It should also be asked if download charts include download codes (which sales are actually already counted in the retail numbers) or not.

 

[RPGamer92]

Nintendo needs to announce Pokemon Gen VII for Wii U exclusively asap.

 

[liger05]

We're all seeing the results of this now. Like I said earlier, people are just bored of waiting. Output is shambolic from NCL, but what do you expect? When it's pretty much just NCL making the games. :-/

The decision not to buy studios when they were rolling in dough really has hurt them. A complete lack of foresight.

 

[Scum]

Nintendo needs to announce Pokemon Gen VII for Wii U exclusively asap.

This will do bugger all if we all have to wait a year or more before it's released.

The decision not to buy studios when they were rolling in dough really has hurt them. A complete lack of foresight.

Especially when there were so many mid tier studios around too. Now look at what's happened. If Iwata had any balls, he'll get into a meeting with the right people and start the ball rolling. But either way, he'll be off sooner rather than later.

 

[shinra-bansho]

it's clear that their most recent efforts have failed to do anything for the machine in every region outside america.

Their efforts haven't really done much in America either.

unless the platform really tanks

Isn't that what it's doing...?

I thought I had a very conservative and somewhat pessimistic expectation of around 200-250K for the 4-5 weeks of December, but even that is looking difficult when the week of a major Mario's release after a value adding bundle can only elicit 20K sales.

i think there was originally an honest market for the wii u.

Perhaps, but not at the price they were peddling it at. And really not even at the price they're peddling it at now.

 

[Road]

Congratulations to sörine for winning by both points and percentages!

BY UNITS                              BY PERCENTAGE

  1   310,633  sörine                    1  218.7%  sörine
  2   333,477  michaelius                2  235.4%  michaelius
  3   359,917  Bruno MB                  3  254.0%  hiska-kun
  4   365,383  Aquamarine                4  269.8%  Rand6
  5   391,573  hiska-kun                 5  279.2%  Bruno MB
  6   413,679  SaviorX                   6  280.8%  metalslimer
  7   426,619  Yeshua                    7  311.9%  Aquamarine
  8   445,633  Rand6                     8  315.4%  pieatorium
  9   455,187  metalslimer               9  318.6%  spatenfloot
 10   460,651  Fisico                   10  321.7%  SaviorX
 11   462,555  Hellraider               11  333.7%  Road
 12   465,001  leatherhat               12  334.9%  Yeshua
 13   471,471  Hitsukara                13  336.7%  Hitsukara
 14   486,097  1st Course               14  343.3%  bakman21
 15   492,363  spatenfloot              15  351.4%  Orgen
 16   492,785  Orgen                    16  359.3%  Frodo
 17   499,212  Road                     17  360.9%  dhlt25
 18   500,567  L~A                      18  361.5%  leatherhat
 19   503,467  pieatorium               19  362.8%  Hellraider
 20   507,555  ZeroXZee                 20  363.2%  Fisico
 21   518,848  Frodo                    21  374.2%  ZeroXZee
 22   524,099  Wynnebeck                22  382.0%  1st Course
 23   533,853  L Thammy                 23  386.9%  L~A
 24   536,107  Zeer0id                  24  396.6%  L Thammy
 25   560,965  strangedopamine          25  407.4%  strangedopamine
 26   565,653  FZZpure                  26  412.7%  Wynnebeck
 27   597,516  dhlt25                   27  417.0%  DarkLordMalik
 28   609,213  DrWong                   28  421.4%  Zeer0id
 29   611,421  bakman21                 29  426.3%  FZZpure
 30   623,543  Pyscho_Mantis            30  434.9%  Roboleon
 31   639,527  Foshy                    31  435.8%  Zornica
 32   655,561  Roboleon                 32  449.4%  DrWong
 33   669,257  Cuddler                  33  453.8%  Pyscho_Mantis
 34   669,909  Mario007                 34  456.3%  Ty4on
 35   705,651  DarkLordMalik            35  484.1%  Mario007
 36   729,109  astrogamer               36  493.5%  Cuddler
 37   772,339  Zornica                  37  495.9%  Foshy
 38   799,003  Mr Swine                 38  499.9%  astrogamer
 39   804,211  hongcha                  39  502.3%  Mr Swine
 40   808,023  9thwonder                40  514.8%  hongcha
 41   810,557  suppadoopa               41  553.1%  suppadoopa
 42   813,327  Gianni Merryman          42  561.8%  Gianni Merryman
 43   844,099  Ty4on                    43  596.4%  9thwonder
 44   930,695  The_lascar               44  636.3%  The_lascar
 45       DQ   DCharlie                 45     DQ   DCharlie

                                     Famitsu/MC  pieatorium hongcha    Yeshua     Roboleon   michaelius Orgen      L~A        metalslime Foshy      Zeer0id    spatenfloo Pyscho_Man Wynnebeck  Mario007   leatherhat suppadoopa 9thwonder  Aquamarine SaviorX    Mr Swine   FZZpure    astrogamer sörine     L Thammy   dhlt25     Gianni Mer Hitsukara  strangedop ZeroXZee   Rand6      Frodo      Hellraider bakman21   DrWong     Cuddler    DCharlie   Bruno MB   Road       Ty4on      Zornica    The_lascar DarkLordMa 1st Course hiska-kun  Fisico
[WIU] Wii Party U                        147,478     150000     100000     170000     110000      80000     152000      75000     101000      65000     110000      80000      80000      85000      55000      60000      75000      65000     132870      80000      45000     111234      90000     110000     182000     100423     242000      65000      81889      95000     120000     125125     100000     210000     115000     200000          0     125000     111111      80000     170000     270000      90000     115000     140000      95000
[PS3+360] Battlefield 4                  151,082     175000     250000     200000     120000     100000     161000     120000     205000     130000     200000     180000     210000     210000     230000     190000     210000     200000     162274     180000     230000     145678     200000     150000     187000     152000     227000     175000     199999     170000     100000     120120     185000     125000     190000     250000          0     230000     222222     250000     180000     260000     160000     225000     250000     190000
[PS3+360+WIU] Call of Duty Ghosts Sub    260,005     210000     250000     250000     190000     250000     236000     200000     260000     220000     250000     190000     350000     300000     350000     220000     235000     250000     250128     250000     230000     275876     230000     220000     315000     180250     310000     200000     299999     245000     200000     118118     185000     215000     250000     200000          0     235000     222222     300000     250000     270000     300000     300000     220000     280000
[PSP] God Eater 2                        141,501     165000     150000     150000     200000     150000     187000     225000     150000     210000     150000     150000     200000      75000     100000     200000     140000     325000     160000     167000     125000      14500     140000     190000      91000      85000     207000     135000     175000     180000     150000      95950     200000     150000     180000     200000          0     185000     222222     100000      70000     210000     200000     180000     200000     160000
[PSV] God Eater 2                        296,277     235000     450000     200000     300000     240000     275000     240000     210000     360000     275000     300000     300000     245000     275000     345000     175000     170000     270000     202000     375000     180987     195000     240000     182000     140000     212000     290000     300000     250000     160000     195195     250000     205000     205000     275000          0     245000     222222     200000      50000     290000     250000     280000     300000     260000
[PS3+360] Lightning Returns FFXIII       301,181     400000     425000     300000     500000     300000     474000     290000     425000     280000     400000     200000     370000     365000     275000     320000     550000     300000     375000     244000     560000     333333     500000     280000     323000     400000     474000     300000     313313     310000     250000     295295     350000     415000     385000     350000          0     285000     333333     500000     450000     390000     460000     375000     200000     400000
[3DS] One Piece Unlimited World R         77,105      55000      45000     100000      44000      70000     149000     152000      98000     130000     200000      90000     200000     176000     150000     120000     175000     150000     120000      68000      90000     111111     175000      90000      61000     137000     149000     250000     276500     265000     110000      90900     100000      80000     165000     100000          0      90000      77777     100000     200000     150000     100000     100000      70000      95000
[WIU] Super Mario 3D World               106,967     275000     200000     230000     220000     220000     198000     101000     195000     145000     175000     110000     150000     109000     150000     110000     200000     250000     170000     108000     125000     156789     200000     130000     137000     120000     192000     125000     181889     175000     125000     200200     150000     300000     250000     260000          0     165000     222222     150000     150000     310000     190000     180000     150000     200000
[WIU] Hardware                            93,447     120000      40000     150000     170000      99000     117000      55000      72000      55000      60000      50000      80000      80000      53000      60000      55000     100000      75000      40000      24000      66666      80000      60000      39500      50000     120000      50000      41889      75000      80000     120120      70000     125000     150000     150000          0      70000     111111      85000     100000     190000     120000      85000      75000     115000
[PSV] Hardware                           116,776     115000     150000     100000     150000     130000     138000      60000     111000     220000     100000     140000     100000     100000     130000     120000     120000     210000     105000     100000     160000      77777     100000      90000      70000      75000      48000      80000     115500     130000      80000     110110     130000     100000     115000     100000          0     120000      88888      90000      50000     120000     130000      80000     120000     120000
[VTV] Hardware                            50,040      75000     200000      70000      50000      50000      43000      60000      50000     160000     120000     180000     130000     100000     200000     140000     100000      90000     125000     100000     140000     134123     120000      60000     125000      50000      32000      70000      80000      90000      60000      80800     100000      70000      75000     130000          0      75000      55555     250000      45000     200000     240000     120000      60000     110000

UNIT DIFF                                      0     503467     804211     426619     655561     333477     492785     500567     455187     639527     536107     492363     623543     524099     669909     465001     810557     808023     365383     413679     799003     565653     729109     310633     533853     597516     813327     471471     560965     507555     445633     518848     462555     611421     609213     669257    1741859     359917     499212     844099     772339     930695     705651     486097     391573     460651

PERCENTAGE DIFF                             0.0%     315.4%     514.8%     334.9%     434.9%     235.4%     351.4%     386.9%     280.8%     495.9%     421.4%     318.6%     453.8%     412.7%     484.1%     361.5%     553.1%     596.4%     311.9%     321.7%     502.3%     426.3%     499.9%     218.7%     396.6%     360.9%     561.8%     336.7%     407.4%     374.2%     269.8%     359.3%     362.8%     343.3%     449.4%     493.5%    1100.0%     279.2%     333.7%     456.3%     435.8%     636.3%     417.0%     382.0%     254.0%     363.2%

STATISTICS
                                     Famitsu/MC    GAF-AVG        MIN        MAX       OVER      UNDER    CLOSEST BY
[WIU] Wii Party U                        147,478    113,969     45,000    270,000        20%        80%    150,000 pieatorium
[PS3+360] Battlefield 4                  151,082    186,529    100,000    260,000        78%        22%    152,000 dhlt25
[PS3+360+WIU] Call of Duty Ghosts Sub    260,005    244,604    118,118    350,000        27%        73%    260,000 metalslimer
[PSP] God Eater 2                        141,501    161,356     14,500    325,000        71%        29%    140,000 suppadoopa
[PSV] God Eater 2                        296,277    245,896     50,000    450,000        20%        80%    300,000 Roboleon
[PS3+360] Lightning Returns FFXIII       301,181    364,211    200,000    560,000        67%        33%    300,000 Yeshua
[3DS] One Piece Unlimited World R         77,105    125,575     44,000    276,500        82%        18%     77,777 Road
[WIU] Super Mario 3D World               106,967    178,661    101,000    310,000        96%         4%    108,000 SaviorX
[WIU] Hardware                            93,447     86,007     24,000    190,000        36%        64%     99,000 michaelius
[PSV] Hardware                           116,776    111,347     48,000    220,000        40%        60%    115,500 strangedopamine
[VTV] Hardware                            50,040    104,897     32,000    250,000        82%        18%     50,000 Roboleon

Note 1: Hardware sales are from Media Create.
Note 2: DCharlie edited after the deadline...

 

[airmangataosenai]

The biggest problem with 3D World as a system seller was always that the system already had a Mario platformer, people try to pretend that there's not substantial overlap but there is, it's just that the 2D circle is larger overall. The other problem explaining the sub-100k sales is that there just wasn't much if any demand for this particular direction for the franchise. Fans of the style were happy but the reaction to the E3 reveal shouldn't be forgotten. Nintendo fans took the positive views in the official discussion threads that came later as a sign of a turnaround in opinion, but the reality is that those that were disappointed simply stopped talking about or following the game after the initial reveal. Yes this is only Japan for now, but it's silly to think that it's going to end up being a huge success in North America.

 

[metalslimer]

Well I already killed my predictions for Dec with that stupid 3d world prediction. That'll probably be closer to the LTD than dec...

The biggest problem with 3D World as a system seller was always that the system already had a Mario platformer, people try to pretend that there's not substantial overlap but there is, it's just that the 2D circle is larger overall. The other problem explaining the sub-100k sales is that there just wasn't much if any demand for this particular direction for the franchise. Fans of the style were happy but the reaction to the E3 reveal shouldn't be forgotten. Nintendo fans took the positive views in the official discussion threads that came later as a sign of a turnaround in opinion, but the reality is that those that were disappointed simply stopped talking about or following the game after the initial reveal. Yes this is only Japan for now, but it's silly to think that it's going to end up being a huge success in North America.

And the same applies heavily to DK and also to some extent with MK and other Nintendo properties. The scariest thing for Nintendo is that maybe their fanbase just isn't that big for their properties on consoles.

 

[AzaK]

There's Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze before MK8.

I don't see DK as a killer app though.

 

[starmud]

for 3D world, could launching so close to xmas shopping have hurt initially? the maketing has been more focused on families and kids. even more so with the mcdonalds tie in.

the legs will be fun to watch.

 

[Talamius]

Well I already killed my predictions for Dec with that stupid 3d world prediction. That'll probably be closer to the LTD than dec...


And the same applies heavily to DK and also to some extent with MK and other Nintendo properties. The scariest thing for Nintendo is that maybe their fanbase just isn't that big for their properties on consoles.

I think Mario Kart would have been a more natural fit to supplement the NSMBU bundle. Instead of 2D Mario and 3D Mario, you'd get two completely different genres.

I'd go so far as to say Mario Kart missing 2013 may have been the final nail in the coffin for the console, and that's a shame.

 

[Kenka]

I think Mario Kart would have been a more natural fit to supplement the NSMBU bundle. Instead of 2D Mario and 3D Mario, you'd get two completely different genres.

I'd go so far as to say Mario Kart missing 2013 may have been the final nail in the coffin for the console, and that's a shame.

The obvious explanation for that is that the agenda for 2014 was so barren that they felt the need to push MK8 back to populate it. It's safe to rent a WiiU in June 2014, play all games you are interested in during Summer and then return the console at this point.

How times have changed.

 

[Kid Ying]

.Isn't that what it's doing...?

I thought I had a very conservative and somewhat pessimistic expectation of around 200-250K for the 4-5 weeks of December, but even that is looking difficult when the week of a major Mario's release after a value adding bundle can only elicit 20K sales

I meant on the holidays, which even not looking good right now, is still a wait and see.

As for Anihawk, he's a clever guy, a very handsome man and all that, but i disagree with him entirely. Pikmin release already showed that something was wrong when it failed to do numbers that could match its predecessors. Also, after pikmin, nintendo released a lot of software for it, you can argue it wasnt the right software, it surely wasnt, but there wasnt a huge drought after it. Lego city, Luigy U, Zelda, Party u, Wonderful 101, Rayman... Almost a game per month. Most of them bombed. I think the problem lies before pikmin, thats when the drought was full action. Pikmin shouldve released much sooner.

And i also dont think the wiiu is a total lost cause. Nintendo needs to look what they did wrong this year and seriously think about it for the next year. Wiiu is still not heathy at all, but when you look at it, its actually the best time for the platform ever since its launch. Almost 100k of its 500k sales were done in the last month. It shows nintendo is doing a better job. Not enough in the slightest, but better than the absolute clusterfuck it was.

Nintendo needs to work hard to ensure that 5k weekly sales never happen again for a long time and thats the problem, but im not iwata and thats his job to do that.

Also, Schuelma is right on something, with the bundles people already got a plenty of value and have much less reason to spend more on another game for now. People may say its only 20k, but that is this week alone. Most of the new buyers, the people that have more enthusiasm about the console, have little reason to spend on more stuff for a while. Nintendo by trying to move more of the wiiu shot its software chances a little. The people buying the console dont need to buy something else unless they specifically want it too and the wiiu already comes with a mario, so why buy another.

Hence, you have the sme 100k public that bought pikmin on its launch. Truly a mess. Nintendo may hope that they will buy something else when get tired of mario and party u. Fingers crossed for them buying taiko though.

 

[Aquamarine]

4 365,383 Aquamarine
7 311.9% Aquamarine

Oh wow...I did much better this month then when I last predicted in September.

Here's to more successful predictions in the future!


Congratulations to sörine, michaelius, Bruno MB, and hiska-kun for being in the under-400,000-units club.

 

[Tripon]

The obvious explanation for that is that the agenda for 2014 was so barren that they felt the need to push MK8 back to populate it. It's safe to rent a WiiU in June 2014, play all games you are interested in during Summer and then return the console at this point.

How times have changed.

From all indications, the Mario Kart 8 Dev team didn't start work until June 2012. No way they could finish a game by Holiday 2013.

 

[Kenka]

From all indications, the Mario Kart 8 Dev team didn't start work until June 2012. No way they could finish a game by Holiday 2013.

The demo version I played in September looked pretty polished. You have a point though.
But my guts tell me at the end that my reasoning is not wrong, as depressing as it sounds.

 

[Road]

Vita has left Dreamcast in the dust awhile ago (but it's still significantly behind in software sales).

Wii U still deciding where it should go.

Wii U in 2012 (4 weeks): 638k.
Wii U in 2013 (47 weeks so far): 534k.

It has 5 weeks to sell 104k, which is an average of 20.8k per week. There should be no problems matching that, even in light of the disappointing last week.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Vita has left Dreamcast in the dust awhile ago (but it's still significantly behind in software sales).

Wii U still deciding where it should go.

Wii U in 2012 (4 weeks): 638k.
Wii U in 2013 (47 weeks so far): 534k.

It has 5 weeks to sell 104k, which is an average of 20.8k per week. There should be no problems matching that, even in light of the disappointing last week.

Hmm, will it cross streams with the Dreamcast?

 

[metalslimer]

Hmm, will it cross streams with the Dreamcast?

Eh, it will be extremely close. The holidays should do it, but who knows anymore.

Edit: Oh I completely saw that wrong yeah, barring a disaster it won't happen anytime soon, Mario Kart should put the nail in,

 

[Road]

[PSP] Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII (Square Enix) {2007-09-13} - 470,152 / 809,825
[PS2] Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII (Square Enix) {2006-01-26} - 365,495 / 513,157
[PS3] Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) {2013-11-21} - 301,181 / NEW
[NDS] Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings (Square Enix) {2007-04-26} - 289,325 / 524,009

Zack > Vincent > Lightning > Vaan?

Hmm, will it cross streams with the Dreamcast?

I don't think so.

		DC					WII U
1999-11-08	11,530	1,094,924	2013-11-18	20,177	1,173,014
1999-11-15	9,253	1,104,177				
1999-11-22	14,879	1,119,056				
1999-11-29	18,902	1,137,958				
1999-12-06	21,067	1,159,025				
1999-12-13	27,062	1,186,087				
1999-12-20	39,544	1,225,631				
1999-12-27	44,235	1,269,866				
2000-01-03	39,666	1,309,532				
2000-01-10	16,912	1,326,444				
2000-01-17	12,813	1,339,257				
2000-01-24	12,718	1,351,975				
2000-01-31	18,957	1,370,932

A ~100k difference should remain for a while.

2nd week:

[PSP] God Eater -  104,800  / 380,904
[PSP] God Eater Burst -  64,412  / 331,590
[PSP+PSV] God Eater 2  -  59,332  / 437,778


[PSV] God Eater 2  -  37,451  / 296,277
[PSV] Toukiden -  37,340  / 165,084

[PSP] God Eater 2  -  21,881  / 141,501
[PSP] Toukiden -  27,437  / 97,705

(Media Create has Vita best 2nd week as Toukiden -- 43,315 -- ahead of God Eater 2 -- 39,052)

 

[antonz]

Nintendo needs to grow up as a company if they are going to continue to insist on directions that alienate 3rd parties and by grow up I mean expand. If they insist on being the Unique Star then they need to expand to the point they can consistently fill out the calendar each year by themselves.

They need to embrace genres outside their comfort zones too

 

[Shengar]

3rd party business shenanigans differs greatly from what Nintendo console(s) can provide. They're better off providing those lost IPs themselves.

But I've heard that Nintendo quite struggled developing HD game during Wii U early year, isn't it? Developing HD game is different. Like they said by themselves, its required twice as much as resources to pull. Considering Nintendo high standard of games quality, a distance between game release will be as high as ever. They can't provide all of those IPs alone, they need 3rd party support. They need more Platinum Games to create games that would fill the gap between their first party release.

Is there any chance for the Vita to turnaround? Its biggest game released last week and it's dropped like a rock already. A new cheaper model was released as well a few weeks ago. What else is left? And it's doing a lot worse in the West...

I bought the Tearway bundle today and feel kinda bad about it now, seeing these numbers after what was supposed to be Vita's biggest week. I already have a Wii U and don't want a second "dead" console... At least with the Wii U I know that Nintendo will release their big games on it. I don't have that kind of confidence in Sony, their focus will all be on the PS4.

One thing that makes big differences between Wii U and Vita is that Vita have found some support from small to middle range developers and publishers unlike Wii U. Although overseas Vita owner wouldn't get many from western studios, we could still be lucky as they're still chance for Japanese game to be brought here. While for Wii U, what else could be brought here if the only game they released is 1st party?

Nintendo needs to announce Pokemon Gen VII for Wii U exclusively asap.

Sadly, Pokemon Company and Game Freak qould be in their way. It is against Game Freak vision and principle to release traditional Pokemon game not on handheld.

 

[Ty4on]

Vita has left Dreamcast in the dust awhile ago (but it's still significantly behind in software sales).

Wii U still deciding where it should go.

Amazing how front loaded it has been. It sold three million WW in no time and then sales just stopped. Wonder if the internet is the reason consoles are much more front loaded now.

I guess the results in prediction league is what I deserve for predicting 3DS XL sales for the Vita TV. I should maybe have payed PSP Go sales a visit

 

[pieatorium]

2.4m ww in the first 2 months and 1.1m for the next 9 after that iirc

 

[BishopLamont]

Oh Mario...I thought it'd do alot better than that, given how NSMBU sold, sure its 2D but SMB3DL showed this style can sell. One Piece also did alot less than I thought, I thought 200-300k was a given. Everything else is as expected.

A ~100k difference should remain for a while.

Whats a while to you? Wii U is gonna drop drastically when the new year starts.

Nintendo needs to grow up as a company if they are going to continue to insist on directions that alienate 3rd parties and by grow up I mean expand. If they insist on being the Unique Star then they need to expand to the point they can consistently fill out the calendar each year by themselves.

They need to embrace genres outside their comfort zones too

They launched way too earlier/too late, it really is the worse of both worlds, add in their own software problems and a stigma builds up quick.

 

[metalslimer]

Have we ever had comg be completely off in terms of predicting a bomba? I just don't see why so many doubtex what it was saying.

 

[NeonZ]

Sadly, Pokemon Company and Game Freak qould be in their way. It is against Game Freak vision and principle to release traditional Pokemon game not on handheld.

I think X/Y shows that they just don't have the technical ability to make a good engine for a console Pokemon game.

They could partner with other companies and get more external programmers, but I don't think they'd want someone else making a Pokemon game more advanced than their own. That's why the spin off RPGs had to be restricted in many ways.

 

[Haines]

I don't see DK as a killer app though.

DK sold really well on Wii, but nothing seems to sell on WiiU. Id be surprised if even Kart sells at this point...

 

[Ty4on]

2.4m ww in the first 2 months and 1.1m for the next 9 after that iirc

I just had the shipments on my mind and they shipped 3.06 the first quarter.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2013/130130e.pdf

 

[BishopLamont]

DK sold really well on Wii, but nothing seems to sell on WiiU. Id be surprised if even Kart sells at this point...

Yeah I'm worried too, Wii U's low userbase is affecting everything.

 

[Scum]

But I've heard that Nintendo quite struggled developing HD game during Wii U early year, isn't it? Developing HD game is different. Like they said by themselves, its required twice as much as resources to pull. Considering Nintendo high standard of games quality, a distance between game release will be as high as ever. They can't provide all of those IPs alone, they need 3rd party support. They need more Platinum Games to create games that would fill the gap between their first party release.

Nintendo's high standards is more the reason they should be providing a lot of these IPs in many genres themselves. No 3rd party publisher is going to bother when NCL themselves can't be arsed. At least with Sony & MS, you know they'll have a title in the genres that these publishers provide.
That's why a software development team setup, similar to the structure at NCL, for NoA & NoE, will be a bloody good solution.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Vita and WiiU should marry and have a child called Irrelevancy.

...

Damn at these two.

 

[strangedopamine]

25   560,965  strangedopamine          
25  407.4%  strangedopamine
[PSV] Hardware strangedopamine

Not as good as last month but alright. Glad I got closest on something though.

Spoiler

I also just noticed that I've missed entry into next month's Prediction League. Oh well.

 

[Scum]

DK sold really well on Wii, but nothing seems to sell on WiiU. Id be surprised if even Kart sells at this point...

Yeah I'm worried too, Wii U's low userbase is affecting everything.

People are bored of waiting, and we know there are a few titles for next year. Not much, but something. This will be the perfect opportunity make as much noise about them as possible. Especially with Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2 & X. But if NCL leaves it to the last minute like they always do, then yeah. MK8 will turn out to be another great game fallen foul of the toxic WiiU.

 

[Sandfox]

I think X/Y shows that they just don't have the technical ability to make a good engine for a console Pokemon game.

They could partner with other companies and get more external programmers, but I don't think they'd want someone else making a Pokemon game more advanced than their own. That's why the spin off RPGs had to be restricted in many ways.

I think they could pull it off with something that has the power they need/want and disregarding the idea of a gen 6 so soon we'r never going to get a console mainline game.

 

[antonz]

Nintendo screwed up when they decided Pokémon was more important than trying to push their console. Iwata openly admitted they left the Wii U to die in the public due to 3DS and Pokémon.

Somehow Nintendo cant advertise both its one or the other. Nevermind the fact they spent the first 8 months of the year advertising NOTHING not even Pokémon but somehow they couldn't focus on the Wii U until after Pokémon. The casual crowd which they claim is their focus this year could have just as easily been approached earlier this year. The casual crowd doesn't need a new title every month or two.

 

[Road]

Whats a while to you? Wii U is gonna drop drastically when the new year starts.

So did the Dreamcast in 2000:

1999-12-27	44,235	1,269,866				
2000-01-03	39,666	1,309,532				
2000-01-10	16,912	1,326,444				
2000-01-17	12,813	1,339,257				
2000-01-24	12,718	1,351,975				
2000-01-31	18,957	1,370,932
2000-02-07	12,794	1,383,726
2000-02-14	9,948	1,393,674
2000-02-21	8,983	1,402,657
2000-02-28	8,256	1,410,913
2000-03-06	7,164	1,418,077
2000-03-13	7,080	1,425,157
2000-03-20	8,561	1,433,718
2000-03-27	8,603	1,442,321
2000-04-03	6,742	1,449,063
2000-04-10	6,840	1,455,903
2000-04-17	4,874	1,460,777
2000-04-24	6,144	1,466,921
2000-05-01	7,188	1,474,109
2000-05-08	4,548	1,478,657
2000-05-15	5,578	1,484,235
2000-05-22	5,429	1,489,664
2000-05-29	4,457	1,494,121
2000-06-05	3,711	1,497,832
2000-06-12	4,172	1,502,004
2000-06-19	5,864	1,507,868
2000-06-26	4,903	1,512,771
2000-07-03	3,668	1,516,439
2000-07-10	3,777	1,520,216
2000-07-17	4,518	1,524,734
2000-07-24	6,221	1,530,955
2000-07-31	5,682	1,536,637
2000-08-07	5,683	1,542,320
2000-08-14	4,928	1,547,248
2000-08-21	4,257	1,551,505
2000-08-28	4,364	1,555,869
2000-09-04	5,566	1,561,435
2000-09-11	5,468	1,566,903
2000-09-18	4,182	1,571,085
2000-09-25	5,694	1,576,779
2000-10-02	4,985	1,581,764
2000-10-09	3,991	1,585,755
2000-10-16	2,921	1,588,676
2000-10-23	2,839	1,591,515
2000-10-30	3,475	1,594,990
2000-11-06	2,481	1,597,471
2000-11-13	1,948	1,599,419
2000-11-20	2,081	1,601,500
2000-11-27	2,932	1,604,432
2000-12-04	3,254	1,607,686
2000-12-11	3,946	1,611,632
2000-12-18	7,002	1,618,634
2000-12-25	7,003	1,625,637

Not a single week above 10k after February. (RE Code Veronica helped the bump to 18k at the end of January.)

There's an 80k diff. now in favor of the Wii U, which I'm guessing will increase to ~100k after the holidays, then it'll be stable until the MK8/Smash weeks when the Wii U should get even further ahead (~200k ?), then there's no looking back to the DC anymore.

Obviously, this only means Wii U won't finish with ~2 million sold in Japan...

 

[pixelbox]

Vita and WiiU should marry and have a child called Irrelevancy.

...

Damn at these two.

Yes, cause Vita isn't the second best selling console consistantly...The way I see it the whole market looks awful and needs to be turned on it's head.

 

[Maedhros]

Nintendo needs to announce Pokemon Gen VII for Wii U exclusively asap.

That'll NEVER happen.

 

[cafemomo]

Nintendo needs to announce Pokemon Gen VII for Wii U exclusively asap.

So it can flop?

 

[Shengar]

Nintendo's high standards is more the reason they should be providing a lot of these IPs in many genres themselves. No 3rd party publisher is going to bother when NCL themselves can't be arsed. At least with Sony & MS, you know they'll have a title in the genres that these publishers provide.
That's why a software development team setup, similar to the structure at NCL, for NoA & NoE, will be a bloody good solution.

So what's stopping them for doing this? Pumping up new game and new IPs should the priority for them.