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[Wolves hunt in packs]

I get you. Switching between modes can be very hard work. Might add also remove those stupid SSD, and return those wonderful PSX memory cards, i could cary it any way i wanted! also if we're at it, then plz return to no online on console.. all those options like digital stores need a lot of tinkering.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Honestly, I agree. I actually had this thought just a couple of days ago when I tried to play Spiderman 2. Well, first it's about 100 gb install.. I think it took an hour on Ps5. Then there were all these fucking settings I felt compelled to go through and tinker with, way too much shit. And while not all of these were graphical, etc, there were many. I did think to myself "damn, I feel like I'm setting up a computer game" - which is fine, when I'm on my computer. I'd rather my console stay a console. No sir, I don't like it.

 

[gatti-man]

I don't want to tinker around with graphics settings - that's why I bought a console.

Optimize the settings for me, so that when I start the game, it plays smooth and looks beautiful.

If you don’t like it don’t use it. How can it be more simple than that.

 

[Wolves hunt in packs]

No, I want a "developer authorized" 60 fps unlocked.

That is all.

lol who wouldn't want it? but the reality is that consoles are fixed hardware that in the duration of it's life time would struggle to achieve that sweet sweet 60fps, that's why we get those options, so you can choose what is more enjoyable to you.
If we go by your request then all devs will make only 30fps games for the reason some games can't reach solid 60fps.

 

[Miles708]

If you don’t like it don’t use it. How can it be more simple than that.

Optimization is a reason.
Additional graphics modes can be used as scapegoat for subpar optimization (or to justify bruteforcing with PSPro and similar nonsense).

Peace of mind is another reason.
I'm all in for HUD settings everywhere, give me everything you can possibily think of. But for graphics? No, work your ass on optimizing those 60fps and make it the default and the only option

 

[SEGAvangelist]

I think having performance and quality modes is the best option. I don't really like the confusion of keeping old modes and changing individual settings like we're seeing on the PS5 Pro currently.

 

[proandrad]

Only if 60fps was mandatory. Given the option devs will would always go for 30fps to reduce optimization time. We would get 60fps looking games at half the framerate if we didn’t have options like we do now.

 

[PurePlatinum]

1000% agree but only if like 80% of games are at 60FPS. Fiddling with settings is why I don’t play on PC.

 

[TehGoomba7s]

Just ignore them. Simple fix. Its a good thing devs have data on this and go with what the vast majority want, which is options.

 

[6502]

I have a 50" 1080p plasma. I would rather select all bells and whistles at 1080 with a good framerate than choose between a cut back 60fps mode or a wasted 4k mode at 30fps.

 

[Kings Field]

FPS baby

 

[SlimySnake]

Indeed. Mandatory 60fps and no settings.

720p 60 fps is what you will get for the rest of the generation then. 864p if you are lucky.

Thanks but no thanks.

 

[Wolves hunt in packs]

Honestly, I agree. I actually had this thought just a couple of days ago when I tried to play Spiderman 2. Well, first it's about 100 gb install.. I think it took an hour on Ps5. Then there were all these fucking settings I felt compelled to go through and tinker with, way too much shit. And while not all of these were graphical, etc, there were many. I did think to myself "damn, I feel like I'm setting up a computer game" - which is fine, when I'm on my computer. I'd rather my console stay a console. No sir, I don't like it.

Some advice.. next time just fire the game up, and later if something bother you, you can change it in the options.

 

[saintjules]

PSSR isn't typically a separate settings from the modes.

There's one game DF showed (can't remember), that showed a PSSR on/off toggle. It was interesting to see that.

 

[rofif]

I absolutely agree.
Even if there are only 2-3 modes it’s still choosing between compromises. I don’t want to feel like I am compromising but I want to feel like I am playing a version specific for this hardware. Optimised for it.

Fps unlock or 40fps lock for different type of tvs is perfectly fine. Leave rest up to dynamic resolution for example if you lock to 60. But no settings. Nothing for me. I would like it being transparent.

Just like dead rising remake on pro or stellar blade in pro mode. Console is a console. I was tired of constant settings and testing on pc and I was able to focus more on a game on console.

Especially stuff that insomniac is doing is idiotic with medium and high presets for individual settings. It’s nonsense.
We don’t have fps counters, games don’t even have live preview more often than not. We don’t know what modes do, don’t have fps counter or resolution information to make a decision.
Someone might play silent hill2 remake on performance because it’s just a but more pixelated but runs at 60fps… meanwhile there is whole pass of lumen gi missing and you wouldn’t know just by settings description.

Again - fps unlocks for vrr and 120hz tvs is perfect. Dynamic rea for future consoles too. But I don’t like the idea of game being its suboptimal self in one mode over another. Especially without it being directly stated in the mode. There is a pc for that

 

[Three]

I don't want to tinker around with graphics settings - that's why I bought a console.

Optimize the settings for me, so that when I start the game, it plays smooth and looks beautiful.

Just play the default settings then?

 

[Bojji]

More options - good

As long as those options aren't shit like in Wukong for example.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Seems selfish to want to remove options becuse YOU don't like them. You have the option to not use any options, and just take what's given.

 

[R6Rider]

No. Give me more options.

Options are good.

 

[rofif]

Just play the default settings then?

Stupid take. And feel like missing out? Who knows maybe the other setting is missing or adding some graphical features?
People like me who had ocd on pc optimising and tinkering with their games more than playing know that.
Honestly, at some point I’ve noticed, I was constantly going back to settings and checking is nothing has changed because there were few games that would reset your settings. And I am no longer like that. Xbox 360 cured me back in the day lol. I was just playing games again.
Thankfully I am still fine. Even on pc

 

[kevboard]

I don't want to tinker around with graphics settings - that's why I bought a console.

Optimize the settings for me, so that when I start the game, it plays smooth and looks beautiful.

how about both? they set the games to certain settings that they deem good... and then I can go into the options and change the shit they got wrong... and they always get something wrong... ALWAYS

 

[rofif]

Only if 60fps was mandatory. Given the option devs will would always go for 30fps to reduce optimization time. We would get 60fps looking games at half the framerate if we didn’t have options like we do now.

Idiotic. If devs think they can deliver best experience and game they want at 30fps. They should be able to do it.
Bloodborne and tlou2 were so amazing looking on ps4 for a reason being 30fps.

 

[Topher]

Stupid take. And feel like missing out? Who knows maybe the other setting is missing or adding some graphical features?

This falls squarely in the "ignorance is bliss" bucket my man.

 

[Celcius]

I've been thinking this lately too. Seems like there's too many options for console games.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Just give a few choices. Quality 30 or performance 60 kind of thing.

Why limit it to one choice by the dev? They might pick wrong for what the gamer wants.

 

[Deerock71]

I like choices. My Steam Deck is showing me I like them a lot. But also:

so what do I know?

 

[Wolves hunt in packs]

Stupid take. And feel like missing out? Who knows maybe the other setting is missing or adding some graphical features?
People like me who had ocd on pc optimising and tinkering with their games more than playing know that.
Honestly, at some point I’ve noticed, I was constantly going back to settings and checking is nothing has changed because there were few games that would reset your settings. And I am no longer like that. Xbox 360 cured me back in the day lol. I was just playing games again.
Thankfully I am still fine. Even on pc

lol he has the stupid take?

 

[tommib]

No. If anything I want more options. I want to be able to always unlock the framerate in the quality modes. I don’t give a fuck about fluctuating frame rates and always want the best graphics so let me play at whatever frame rate the console can go up to. #stoplimitingframeratesnow.

 

[rofif]

This falls squarely in the "ignorance is bliss" bucket my man.

I know. I grew into it a bit but only thanks to playing more on consoles than pc in last few years. Just able to play the game and enjoy.

But the more settings there are, the more compelled I am to find the best combination of these settings. It’s not something that you can just ignore. It’s ocd type thing.
And honestly I don’t need the hassle.
Pro is thankfully keeping it fine. Usually just pro mode and it’s perfectly fine but there are some games you really need to watch df to understand the modes AND THATS NOT OK.
Like stellar blade. If you just went by the mode description, you would play pro max mode which looks and runs worse than pro mode.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

No I want just one mode

 

[rofif]

lol he has the stupid take?

Yes. Absolutely. Ignoring the psychology of this and not understanding that someone does not want to ignore modes because of want to play in best optimised settings? Year that’s a stupid ignorant take.

 

[Mithos]

Yes, too many developers force 1440p or above and cant even run locked 30fps or 60fps at that resolution. Allow me to CHOOSE what resolution the game render in.
Because I'd take 1080 @ 60fps over 1440p-4K @ 40-50fps.

 

[tusharngf]

I have gone PC after experiencing 30fps on ps3 x360 but somehow managed to get a PS PRO and i was not happy with it. This gen is full PC with rtx3080 and things are looking better for me. I used to be a hardcore xbox ps2 fan back then.

 

[Wolves hunt in packs]

No. If anything I want more options. I want to be able to always unlock the framerate in the quality modes. I don’t give a fuck about fluctuating frame rates and always want the best graphics so let me play at whatever frame rate the console can go up to. #stoplimitingframeratesnow.

As mentioned here before, giving an option for unlocked framerate will future proof your game, and we wouldn't have those forgotten games that devs never gave a time to patch.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Give me the visual flair over the useless extra frames. Time wasted on making performance modes only costs me more flair.

 

[Felessan]

Keep It (Short &) Simple
2-3 options is ok if they are simple and straightforward

Just keep those crazy 60fps zealots away from my fancy and beautiful 30 fps quality mode

 

[cireza]

720p 60 fps is what you will get for the rest of the generation then. 864p if you are lucky.

Thanks but no thanks.

Use better engines then. Make better choices. Current consoles are largely powerful enough to push 1080@60fps.

 

[phant0m]

I don't mind it. 2 presets is fine, but I'm taking the 60 fps mode every time if it's mostly stable. "One mode only" would only work if the platform holders required 60 fps target/minimum.

 

[Wolves hunt in packs]

Yes. Absolutely. Ignoring the psychology of this and not understanding that someone does not want to ignore modes because of want to play in best optimised settings? Year that’s a stupid ignorant take.

the issue is with you.

if you can't decide between 2 modes and settle for the one which is most enjoyable for you then don't, play with quality mode which will have all the bells and whistles and be done with it.

 

[Three]

Stupid take. And feel like missing out? Who knows maybe the other setting is missing or adding some graphical features?
People like me who had ocd on pc optimising and tinkering with their games more than playing know that.
Honestly, at some point I’ve noticed, I was constantly going back to settings and checking is nothing has changed because there were few games that would reset your settings. And I am no longer like that. Xbox 360 cured me back in the day lol. I was just playing games again.
Thankfully I am still fine. Even on pc

I understand the feeling but it's different on a PC. On a PC you have to tweak to your specific hardware to get the best experience on whatever particular hardware you have but the default on console is what the dev has chosen to show on a set piece of hardware, everything else is just a preference and option you have should you so choose it.

 

[tommib]

Keep It (Short &) Simple
2-3 options is ok if they are simple and straightforward

Just keep those crazy 60fps zealots away from my fancy and beautiful 30 fps quality mode

Fine but let me unlock your 30 fps quality mode. Limiting frame rates should not be a thing in 2024.

 

[SlimySnake]

Use better engines then. Make better choices. Current consoles are largely powerful enough to push 1080@60fps.

Current consoles can do native 4k 100 fps in games like GT7. Or 1440p 90-100 fps in games like TLOU2.

But those are last gen games. If 1080p 60 fps with next gen graphics was possible, we wouldve gotten that by now. Instead we have UE5 games Silent Hill 2, Robocop, Immortals, Snowdrop games likeAvatar and Star Wars Outlaws, Anvil Engine games like AC Shadows, Frostbite games like Dragon Age, Luminous Engine game Forspoken, RE engine game Dragons Dogma 2 and Square Enix's custom FF16 engine all coming in below 1080p and dropping as low as 720p. At this point, its not the engine. its the hardware.

Or you can do what insomniac does and make last gen looking next gen games in order to hit 1080p 60 fps. But you cant have both.

 

[proandrad]

Idiotic. If devs think they can deliver best experience and game they want at 30fps. They should be able to do it.
Bloodborne and tlou2 were so amazing looking on ps4 for a reason being 30fps.

If they were able to deliver a jump that high this generation they would have done so already. We have hit diminishing returns.

 

[cireza]

Or you can do what insomniac does and make last gen looking next gen games in order to hit 1080p 60 fps. But you cant have both.

That's perfectly fine. I don't want both, I want 1080@60fps.

 

[mckmas8808]

I don't want to tinker around with graphics settings - that's why I bought a console.

Optimize the settings for me, so that when I start the game, it plays smooth and looks beautiful.

Just go buy a PC dude. Save up $2000 and I promise you, you will be able to play every game at 60 fps and it'll look great. What you are asking for it's possible on consoles, so stop complaining and wanting life worse of us other console players that have the mental and emotional capacity to deal with "OPTIONS".

 

[Vick]

"If 1080p 60 fps with next gen graphics was possible, we wouldve gotten that by now. Instead we have UE5 games RoboCop Rogue city being exactly 1080p 60fps on base PS5, and Luminous Engine Forspoken being 1440p 60fps"..

 

[MadchesterManc]

I honestly don't see the issue folk have with there being the choice of performance, fidelity & balanced (on a 120Hz screen) It's pretty self explanatory for your preference.

 

[Shtof]

Just go buy a PC dude. Save up $2000 and I promise you, you will be able to play every game at 60 fps and it'll look great. What you are asking for it's possible on consoles, so stop complaining and wanting life worse of us other console players that have the mental and emotional capacity to deal with "OPTIONS".

Please read the first line of my post again.

 

[rofif]

the issue is with you.

if you can't decide between 2 modes and settle for the one which is most enjoyable for you then don't, play with quality mode which will have all the bells and whistles and be done with it.

I dont have a problem except some games with bad modes description. But I could see this growing out of hand

 

[TintoConCasera]

imo they should include all the options that are available on the PC version. Just hide them on an "advanced settings" menu so the casual player doesn't get overwhelmed.