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[Mael]

As I was saying. Especially when we're talking about millions of people.

But apparently for some such a thing can be resolved 'with no trouble at all' as if there's a magical switch that can be flipped and everything will be dandy.

Again the issue isn't that it's an easy problem, the issue is that they're not even hinting at trying to solve the situation.
And that the situation is somehow "fine and dandy".
And apparently now online harrassment isn't real...
We learned nothing these past few years.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

man this is shameful, though this ended with CoD, Halo days on 360 gen.

no, thats where it begun

 

[Strakt]

Again the issue isn't that it's an easy problem, the issue is that they're not even hinting at trying to solve the situation.
And that the situation is somehow "fine and dandy".
And apparently now online harrassment isn't real...
We learned nothing these past few years.

Most companies don't talk about upcoming features until they're close to releasing.

http://www.itechpost.com/articles/6...e-strict-punishment-against-toxic-players.htm

They are reworking the old systems and have updates coming in the future to the report system/ avoid feature / etc. They're working on it.

 

[demogorgon]

Then we should work towards making better work environments.

Not call others ''sensitive''

Not boast about how much discrimination we can take.

This is really getting tiring.

I'm sorry but because someone told you to make them a sandwich and you cried over it is being overly sensitive.
It's not about taking discrimination, it's about living in the real world. everyone has their own life, you can't control and force people into behaving the way you want. what ever happened to free country? freedom of speech? nah lets censor the world and make it one big happy playground

Uh, the bullying situation is not getting better, I have no idea where you're getting that. We just saw a cafeteria chanting "build that wall" when Trump won, and we're seeing bullies given more powerful bullying tools than they ever had.

Protip: Any improvement to bullying is the result of people acknowledging bullying and pushing back against it, not saying "lawl, kids am I right?" The latter sentiment explicitly is something that only makes bullying worse.

the whole trump thing is another joke. people throwing a huge hissyfit because they didn't get what they want. welcome to democracy. the greater good. I didn't see people throwing a fit when they rigged the primaries so hillary would beat bernie. But politics is a shit subject anyway so lets not bother with that

you think people chanting build a wall is more bullying then not allowing "colored" people to use "white bathrooms" or not allowing women to vote? people have a right to express their feelings. freedom of speech. that's what our ancestors fought for. Nobody has a right to physically threaten someone, but calling someone fat or telling a women to make you a sandwich, while it is rude and in bad taste, isn't something we need to revolt against like it's a huge issue in the world

 

[Haly]

my response was to ignore people online. that's what we are talking about. abuse in online gaming. there is no threat of physical assault. You must and block the player and it's over. and you move on.

Why do people keep touting this "ignore the harassment" line like it's a magic bullet, some simple solution people are too stupid to figure out? It's self evident, obvious, you're not impressing anyone else with your mastery of the mute button.

But this doesn't cut into the heart of the problem which is self-perpetuating feedback loop of bigotry. Telling someone to mute players doesn't actually stop those players from being shitheads, and it doesn't stop this behavior from being normalized in future generations. Their minds won't be changed unless they're made to by external forces, which is why it's important to shine a light on these things and address it at all points of society, from within the family to the school to the workplace to the game themselves.

All you're doing is wait for the entropy of time to wear away at these toxic attitudes when you can take an active approach instead . I'm sorry but I don't want to be, nor can I support being part of that "it is what it is" handwringing. If you don't have a dog in the struggle, that's fine. But don't come in here saying everyone should be oh-so mature and apathetic like you. Like, what do you even get out of this? Just smug satisfaction at being more calm than all these crazy youngsters with their "safe-spaces" and "trigger words"?

Bravo.

I mean really, hats off to you there. Apparently you expect people younger than you to ignore the sexism and racism, but you, yourself, can't seem to ignore the fact that people of the same age group don't want to ignore it. And you feel like everyone needs to know how apathetic you are. I'm sure you feel very comfortable on that high horse.

the whole trump thing is another joke. people throwing a huge hissyfit because they didn't get what they want. welcome to democracy. the greater good. I didn't see people throwing a fit when they rigged the primaries so hillary would beat bernie. But politics is a shit subject anyway so lets not bother with that

jesus christ what the fuck is this

 

[Mael]

Most companies don't talk about upcoming features until they're close to releasing.

http://www.itechpost.com/articles/6...e-strict-punishment-against-toxic-players.htm

They are reworking the old systems and have updates coming in the future to the report system/ avoid feature / etc. They're working on it.

We will see how good these systems are.
Blizzard doesn't have the best history when dealing with online abuse.
I'd like to be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Strakt]

We will see how good these systems are.
Blizzard doesn't have the best history when dealing with online abuse.
I'd like to be pleasantly surprised.

Nothing will ever be as perfect as people want it to be.. no system ever created is perfect. HOTS has a good system in place; if they use that one and modified it I wouldnt be surprised. But once again, that doesn't solve any of the voice chat, and I don't see them fixing that for some time.. which is why we're left with the mute button!

 

[Laughing Banana]

Again the issue isn't that it's an easy problem, the issue is that they're not even hinting at trying to solve the situation.
And that the situation is somehow "fine and dandy".
And apparently now online harrassment isn't real...
We learned nothing these past few years.

Yes, don't mistake me of actually saying that developers or publishers shouldn't do anything. Only that demanding them to chase a solution that is unrealistic is not going to do anything good.

 

[MKIL65]

nah lets censor the world and make it one big happy playground.

How did you come to THAT conclusion? Can you stop being facetious...?

 

[A Link to the Past]

the whole trump thing is another joke. people throwing a huge hissyfit because they didn't get what they want. welcome to democracy. the greater good. I didn't see people throwing a fit when they rigged the primaries so hillary would beat bernie. But politics is a shit subject anyway so lets not bother with that

you think people chanting build a wall is more bullying then not allowing "colored" people to use "white bathrooms" or not allowing women to vote? people have a right to express their feelings. freedom of speech. that's what our ancestors fought for. Nobody has a right to physically threaten someone, but calling someone fat or telling a women to make you a sandwich, while it is rude and in bad taste, isn't something we need to revolt against like it's a huge issue in the world

To clarify, you're responding to me pointing out that students were bullying other students by bringing up that people were upset that Trump won? What are you talking about? That's literally not a valid response to anything I said, so it's interesting that you both don't like politics and are literally 100% responsible for politics being present in this discussion right now.

With that said, what the fuck are you talking about!? Getting the shit beaten out of you is a better thing than employment discrimination, so by your logic, we shouldn't complain.

Also, I want you to do me a favor and show me instances where you posted on NeoGAF about the condition of third-world countries, such as FGM. Because if you don't have any examples, I might be inclined to think that you only care about these issues enough to use them as a bludgeon against people trying to fix a real problem.

EDIT: Also lol, no, you're not being censored when you're disallowed from calling people faggots. You're being shown the door.

I seriously feel bad for your kids if you consider it censorship to enforce a TOS against shitty behavior.

 

[Mael]

Nothing will ever be as perfect as people want it to be.. no system ever created is perfect. HOTS has a good system in place; if they use that one and modified it I wouldnt be surprised. But once again, that doesn't solve any of the voice chat, and I don't see them fixing that for some time.. which is why we're left with the mute button!

I hear ya, you're perfectly correct in saying that we need to wait till they provide better solutions.
I disagree with saying that mute is the solution though.

Yes, don't mistake me of actually saying that developers or publishers shouldn't do anything. Only that demanding them to chase a solution that is unrealistic is not going to do anything good.

Meh, problems aren't as easy or as hard as they look from a cursory look.
It's not an easy problem but there's solutions that could be tried before asking Blizzard to solve P=NP (which I doubt is the complexity of the problem in question btw).
At this point anything is better than the current system they have.

 

[Strakt]

I hear ya, you're perfectly correct in saying that we need to wait till they provide better solutions.
I disagree with saying that mute is the solution though.

Thats fine! We all have diff opinions. For me , muting someone means I get to play my video game as intended and I'm left with the other 4 players who actually want to play the game, win, and communicate instead of hearing someone call me all sorts of things for 15 minutes straight~ After that I get to move on, queue for another game, and meet 5 new people.

 

[demogorgon]

Why do people keep touting this "ignore the harassment" line like it's a magic bullet, some simple solution people are too stupid to figure out? It's self evident, obvious, you're not impressing anyone else with your mastery of the mute button.

But this doesn't cut into the heart of the problem which is self-perpetuating feedback loop of bigotry. Telling someone to mute players doesn't actually stop those players from being shitheads, and it doesn't stop this behavior from being normalized in future generations. Their minds won't be changed unless they're made to by external forces, which is why it's important to shine a light on these things and address it at all points of society, from within the family to the school to the workplace to the game themselves.

All you're doing is wait for the entropy of time to wear away at these toxic attitudes when you can take an active approach instead . I'm sorry but I don't want to be, nor can I support being part of that "it is what it is" handwringing. If you don't have a dog in the struggle, that's fine. But don't come in here saying everyone should be oh-so mature and apathetic like you. Like, what do you even get out of this? Just smug satisfaction at being more calm than all these crazy youngsters with their "safe-spaces" and "trigger words"?

Bravo.

I mean really, hats off to you there. Apparently you expect people younger than you to ignore the sexism and racism, but you, yourself, can't seem to ignore the fact that people of the same age group don't want to ignore it. And you feel like everyone needs to know how apathetic you are. I'm sure you feel very comfortable on that high horse.

jesus christ what the fuck is this

when they players get banned all the time they will learn their lesson. when they can't play online for weeks and weeks because everyone reporting them, they'll either learn or keep getting banned and not be able to play and harass others online.

why the people who keep responding to me feel the need to "white knight" i'll never understand. That's why i asked age (which i didn't get an answer on)

i have kids I teach them how to behave properly and they are good kids. I take care of my kids, I don't feel the need to have to "protect" young adults from little kids online. it's a joke. I also coach my sons little league team. we teach all the kids how to behave. we don't tolerate trash talking or talking down to teammates. But it's not our job to parent every kid in the world. and a few words over the internet shouldn't be bothering people that much. yes some people need to grow thick skin.

 

[demogorgon]

To clarify, you're responding to me pointing out that students were bullying other students by bringing up that people were upset that Trump won? What are you talking about? That's literally not a valid response to anything I said, so it's interesting that you both don't like politics and are literally 100% responsible for politics being present in this discussion right now.

With that said, what the fuck are you talking about!? Getting the shit beaten out of you is a better thing than employment discrimination, so by your logic, we shouldn't complain.

Also, I want you to do me a favor and show me instances where you posted on NeoGAF about the condition of third-world countries, such as FGM. Because if you don't have any examples, I might be inclined to think that you only care about these issues enough to use them as a bludgeon against people trying to fix a real problem.

EDIT: Also lol, no, you're not being censored when you're disallowed from calling people faggots. You're being shown the door.

I seriously feel bad for your kids if you consider it censorship to enforce a TOS against shitty behavior.

I never said i did overly care about that stuff. What i said was that if people spend this much time on overblowing something, then maybe your efforts should be put to a better cause. but hey it's your time not mine

 

[A Link to the Past]

I never said i did overly care about that stuff. What i said was that if people spend this much time on overblowing something, then maybe your efforts should be put to a better cause. but hey it's your time not mine

Yeah, I'll pass, because your argument actively requires that there is only one worthy cause to pay attention to, because black and white bathrooms? Segregation in the U.S. was not nearly as bad as some of the problems that people experienced elsewhere. Starvation, genocide, kidnapping, slavery. At what point do you determine that a cause is valid in spite of it not being as bad as things other causes seek to stop?

 

[demogorgon]

Yeah, I'll pass, because your argument actively requires that there is only one worthy cause to pay attention to, because black and white bathrooms? Segregation in the U.S. was not nearly as bad as some of the problems that people experienced elsewhere. Starvation, genocide, kidnapping, slavery. At what point do you determine that a cause is valid in spite of it not being as bad as things other causes seek to stop?

again, not one person would list their age. all i can say (and i mean no disrespect) is lets have this conversation when your older with a family and a career and a little more experience in life and then see how your views change

I mean hell as a teenager you break up and your all upset. you think it's the end of the world. as an adult you laugh and go find another. Life experience and wisdom my man.

 

[Haly]

when they players get banned all the time they will learn their lesson. when they can't play online for weeks and weeks because everyone reporting them, they'll either learn or keep getting banned and not be able to play and harass others online.

But... they're not getting banned enough, is the reason these complaints are being aired out on public forums like Reddit. People are saying "Blizzard, you're dragging your hands on these guys, you should probably look into it". So what is even your stance here?

why the people who keep responding to me feel the need to "white knight" i'll never understand. That's why i asked age (which i didn't get an answer on)

No thanks. First you play the "starving children in Africa" card, then the age card and I really have no desire to stoop down to this level of discussion. I know you probably think I'm only 16 or something. You're wrong. Let's leave it at that.

i have kids I teach them how to behave properly and they are good kids. I take care of my kids, I don't feel the need to have to "protect" young adults from little kids online. it's a joke. I also coach my sons little league team. we teach all the kids how to behave. we don't tolerate trash talking or talking down to teammates. But it's not our job to parent every kid in the world.

I think you have a nonexistent grasp of anthropology so I'll try to tl;dr this. Human society has social norms which prescribe a set of behaviors that are and are not acceptable. Violation of these norms lead to ostracism from the group, and the threat of that ostracism is what keeps people in line with the herd. This is basically proto-law before we invented laws and codes of ethics and whatnot.

Anyway these norms are only enforced when everyone, regardless of age, actively pay attention to them. The idea of "people should only focus on their own kids and its not their job to raise other people's kids for them" is not just narrowminded, it's objectively false. As tribe animals, we police each others' behavior all throughout our lives, which is why, for example, it's frowned upon to dress in shorts and a shirt if your company has a casual business dress code. This is adults policing the behavior of adults to create an environment that is more harmonious for the group, per se, the herd. We also send our children to institutions of learning whereby we hope they're further instilled with our society's norms, yet another case of people raising and guiding people who are not their own. This is a lifelong process that occurs at all levels of society and is more or less the one of the foundations of civilization.

and a few words over the internet shouldn't be bothering people that much. yes some people need to grow thick skin.

I've played MOBA for more than 10 years, and the subgenre has what is widely considered to be the most toxic gaming community around. My skin is iron, but that doesn't stop me from acknowledging the problem exists, or that it should be addressed at the developer level.

 

[A Link to the Past]

again, not one person would list their age. all i can say (and i mean no disrespect) is lets have this conversation when your older with a family and a career and a little more experience in life and then see how your views change

I mean hell as a teenager you break up and your all upset. you think it's the end of the world. as an adult you laugh and go find another. Life experience and wisdom my man.

I understand why you would condescend and make the discussion about the people involved rather than their arguments (it happens when you have a weak argument), so let me make it again in more clear terms: your argument is a logical fallacy. There is always a "more worthy cause" than the cause you're advocating. We do not guffaw at people fighting against employment discrimination by pointing out what is happening in Palestine. As such, that argument on its own is objectively an invalid one.

 

[Dimefan3]

I was about to say it would be good to have the option to boot a player from a game straight up if they're being offensive, but then I realised that would be open to abuse from those who pull this crap.

A stronger reporting system would be an obvious suggestion, with a 'three strikes you're out permanently' rule. Then matching IP addresses with banned players so they can't just create another account.

Honestly it's got to hurt the bottom line of companies more the longer this goes unchanged.

 

[demogorgon]

But... they're not getting banned enough, is the reason these complaints are being aired out on public forums like Reddit. People are saying "Blizzard, you're dragging your hands on these guys, you should probably look into it". So what is even your stance here?


No thanks. First you play the "starving children in Africa" card, then the age card and I really have no desire to stoop down to this level of discussion. I know you probably think I'm only 16 or something. You're wrong. Let's leave it at that.


I think you have a nonexistent grasp of anthropology so I'll try to tl;dr this. Human society has social norms which prescribe a set of behaviors that are and are not acceptable. Violation of these norms lead to ostracism from the group, and the threat of that ostracism is what keeps people in line with the herd. This is basically proto-law before we invented laws and codes of ethics and whatnot.

Anyway these norms are only enforced when everyone, regardless of age, actively pay attention to them. The idea of "people should only focus on their own kids and its not their job to raise other people's kids for them" is not just narrowminded, it's objectively false. As tribe animals, we police each others' behavior all throughout our lives, which is why, for example, it's frowned upon to dress in shorts and a shirt if your company has a casual business dress code. This is adults policing the behavior of adults to create an environment that is more harmonious for the group, per se, the herd. We also send our children to institutions of learning whereby we hope they're further instilled with our society's norms, yet another case of people raising and guiding people who are not their own. This is a lifelong process that occurs at all levels of society and is more or less the one of the foundations of civilization.


I've played MOBA for more than 10 years, and the subgenre has what is widely considered to be the most toxic gaming community around. My skin is iron, but that doesn't stop me from acknowledging the problem exists, or that it should be addressed at the developer level.

Then be mad at blizzard for not keeping the community good. It's a reason I like playing on Xbox. The block and report works great for the few times I need it. And I even get nice little messages from them when they take action against someone I reported. And players with bad reps don't get matched with players like me who have a good rep.

Also I didn't play any card and yes I would assume u are between 16-22 and don't have a kids and wife. And that's not belittling it's just u seem to lack real world experience. Which is fine as long as your happy with your life. U can advocate for anything u want. You are entitled to do that. It's a free country and all. I'm also entitled to my opinion and the fact your not ok with that is why I see u as young and immature.

 

[demogorgon]

I understand why you would condescend and make the discussion about the people involved rather than their arguments (it happens when you have a weak argument), so let me make it again in more clear terms: your argument is a logical fallacy. There is always a "more worthy cause" than the cause you're advocating. We do not guffaw at people fighting against employment discrimination by pointing out what is happening in Palestine. As such, that argument on its own is objectively an invalid one.

I'm not condescending anything. I'm just saying I think you are making mountains out of molehills and I'm free to have my opinion. You don't have to agree with it, u can think I'm an ass for having it, but u can't stop me from having it. I think the whole thing is an immature hissy fit. No adult would run to reddit and complain about being told to make a sandwich and no adult should reward them for that.

 

[Maddocks]

Good people are stepping up and discussing this more. Something needs to be done about online abuse and harassment.

Everyday my girlfriend tells me about how someone on overwatch chat made fun of her for being a mercy main or being a female and playing the game. I turn off chat on pc, so I don't read anything people say, but I hear it, and I told her she could try that, but she likes typing to people and talking to people to give out call outs and inform the team of what is going on. I really hoped blizzard does something about it. Some people who play the game have anxiety and play the game to escape it and have fun and forget about the real world for a couple of hours and if they get anxiety for playing a game they payed money for, something needs to be done for them who can't find joy in something they play anymore.

 

[Haly]

"It's a free country", "I'm entitled to my own opinion", and you accuse others of being immature.

These are some high school level arguments, just so you know. I mean, I didn't think seriously of them even when I was in high school.

As long as we've established it's okay to call out "immaturity".

Then be mad at blizzard for not keeping the community good.

What do you even think the OP is about? People are mad at Blizzard for not doing enough, and are voicing their discontent so they can be more easily heard.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I'm not condescending anything. I'm just saying I think you are making mountains out of molehills and I'm free to have my opinion. You don't have to agree with it, u can think I'm an ass for having it, but u can't stop me from having it. I think the whole thing is an immature hissy fit. No adult would run to reddit and complain about being told to make a sandwich and no adult should reward them for that.

You literally responded to one sentence of a much bigger post. Respond to the rest. Because if you don't from this point, I am going to take that as endorsement of the following:

"I am demogorgon, and I admit to using a fallacious argument that seeks to reduce the problems that other people face by utilizing the problems of others, neither of which I actually care about."

You are entitled to an opinion, but not if you intend to voice it and disregard what people say about it through, frankly, immature responses.

 

[Professor Beef]

I'm sorry but because someone told you to make them a sandwich and you cried over it is being overly sensitive.
It's not about taking discrimination, it's about living in the real world. everyone has their own life, you can't control and force people into behaving the way you want. what ever happened to free country? freedom of speech? nah lets censor the world and make it one big happy playground

Freedom of Speech does not mean what you think it means. Please do some research before you use words that you don't know the meaning to.

 

[Mael]

Anyone going on with "there's worse problem out there" is really saying "there is no problem here and this situation is exactly the way I like it".
If there was really some other bigger problem that they cared about they would be making a thread and raising awareness at the very least instead of trying to trivilize another "lesser" problem.

 

[demogorgon]

"It's a free country", "I'm entitled to my own opinion", and you accuse others of being immature.

These are some high school level arguments, just so you know. I mean, I didn't think seriously of them even when I was in high school.

As long as we've established it's okay to call out "immaturity".

What do you even think the OP is about? People are mad at Blizzard for not doing enough, and are voicing their discontent so they can be more easily heard.

all I'm reading is a bunch of white night-ing.

see the thing is this. we are on a forum. you are free to call me every name in the book. now you may be banned because it's against the terms of service, but still thats the risk you take. and if you do i can either do the same back and be petty, cry to a moderator, or be an adult and put you on ignore and move on with my life. see how that works? I wouldn't need to make a thread and go on reddit and make a huge deal because some stranger on neogaf called me a bad word.

 

[MegaSackman]

Spent 120 on Horizon and ME:A just now, they better not let me out of this. -_-

 

[Professor Beef]

all I'm reading is a bunch of white night-ing.

That's another term that you don't know the meaning of. You have the internet at your fingertips, please learn what these terms mean. There is no excuse.

 

[Silver Arrows]

The continuing posts in this thread show why stuff like this is needed. If you seriously think that the stuff being spewed is alright, or it can be solved and subsequently ignored for all eternity via simply pressing mute then you are what's wrong with online harrassment. It's willfull ignorance.

I am surprised we haven't seen that Tyler the Creator tweet on cyberbullying yet, to really complete the crappy arguments.

 

[Mael]

That's another term that you don't know the meaning of. You have the internet at your fingertips, please learn what these terms mean. There is no excuse.

It's also a funny bilingual joke as pulling an all-nighter is roughly translated as 'doing a "white night"' is some other latin language.
It doesn't make more sense but at least it's funny.

 

[A Link to the Past]

That's another term that you don't know the meaning of. You have the internet at your fingertips, please learn what these terms mean. There is no excuse.

Seriously, lmao

Using the term in the "right" fashion is bad enough, but the user can't even do that much, let alone spell it right. Add that on top of pretending to care about starving children in order to complain about smaller issues, and jeez

 

[Pau]

Ah yes, the women complaining about sexual harassment are the ones who don't live in the real world. We're just imagining all this shit or are too immature to know that being harassed is for the greater good.

 

[Haly]

see the thing is this. we are on a forum. you are free to call me every name in the book. now you may be banned because it's against the terms of service, but still thats the risk you take. and if you do i can either do the same back and be petty, cry to a moderator, or be an adult and put you on ignore and move on with my life. see how that works? I wouldn't need to make a thread and go on reddit and make a huge deal because some stranger on neogaf called me a bad word.

You just keep trying to condescend towards me. Are you not capable of arguing a point like an "adult" who has "perspective"?

I've been here since 2006. I know how GAF works. Stop trying to pull rank you don't even have. It's desperate and sad to watch.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Ah yes, the women complaining about sexual harassment are the ones who don't live in the real world. We're just imagining all this shit or are too immature to know that being harassed is for the greater good.

The arguments that say this is no big deal essentially play out like Calvin's dad in Calvin and Hobbes.

 

[demogorgon]

You just keep trying to condescend towards me. Are you not capable of arguing a point like an "adult" who has "perspective"?

I've been here since 2006. I know how GAF works. Stop trying to pull rank you don't even have. It's desperate and sad to watch.

I'm not condescending. trust me if i was you would know it, but watch this, I'm gonna do what an adult does. put all you people on ignore and move on with my life

fell free to throw me on ignore as well, or not whatever you want it's a free country.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Damn where are kids learning these days what 'being an adult' means because the dudes saying it right now just got no damn idea.

 

[Nepenthe]

Damn where are kids learning these days what 'being an adult' means because the dudes saying it right now just got no damn idea.

I refuse to believe that kids are learning how to be proper adults to any significant degree when one adult is bragging about their Overwatch leaderboard position in a thread about harassment, another has no idea how to employ proper grammar, both are intent on reducing people's issues with online harassment to molehills, and Trump is president. World is fucked.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I'm not condescending. trust me if i was you would know it, but watch this, I'm gonna do what an adult does. put all you people on ignore and move on with my life

fell free to throw me on ignore as well, or not whatever you want it's a free country.

Actually, whether a person is being condescending in how they act is determined not by the person who is condescending, but rather the person being condescended to. That's like saying "harassment is determined by the harasser." Inherently, there is a conflict of interests involved in that determination, to where no one wants to be recognized as being condescending, but not to the extent that they want to adjust their behaviors.

You are explicitly dismissing people's views, making claims that people harassed and people who are speaking of it as being a big deal as being immature, young, naive, and oversensitive. That you have me on ignore means nothing when you have ignored almost every portion of my post, choosing instead to zero in on small portions instead. The only thing you have done in this thread is condescend and dismiss, all the while willfully ignoring what people have been saying to you and lecturing people about what it means to be on a forum that you have been using for a significantly smaller amount of time than many people who have been here for more than 10 years now. Thank you for putting us on ignore, many of us were growing tired of you responding to one single sentence while ignoring entire paragraphs.

When being an adult involves adopting a mindset I see teenage edgelords adopt, you might want to evaluate your priorities - at least if you want to raise your kids properly.

 

[Sora the Cat]

I didn't read the whole thread but I want to ask this, would an "Adults only" queue be something doable? Like, you would have to provide a copy of your legal documentation that proves your age and then your account would be put in this special queue.

Would something like that be possible?

 

[Haly]

Probably not, and also, it wouldn't make a real difference. People without skin in the game will pretend it's just teens and tweens who're doing this stuff but honestly it goes all the way up to gamers in their 20s and 30s. Think GG is a youth movement? Nope. I'll bet you anything the average age of a GG'er is their mid 20s. Or what about PewDiePie or Jontron? Just look at the shit Uber (and more broadly, SV) is going through, all working class "adults", all no less likely to act like a bigot than your typical wayward trolling teen.

This is a cultural problem that's age agnostic.

 

[AndersK]

This is deadish n all, but times zones, yo.

I just can't help but wonder what a user named Demogorgon, that has this attitude towards bullies and bullying, got from watching Stranger Things. Like, are Mike, Dustin and Lucas just pussies that need the help of a girl to school a dick, or is the dick who's after them actually just being a kid and totally within his rights to fuck with them? Is the Demogorgon actually the unsung hero of this tale in his eyes? Like, in the sense it makes the kids toughen up?

I hope this is explained in season 2. Would be some Shyamalan shit right there.

 

[CyanideFuse]

I know this comment adds nothing to the conversation but my jaw has almost dislocated having read the comments from the numerically top poster of this thread. It has transcended anything I could ever have imagined.

Edit:

Just finished catching up. A shout out to the banned self-proclaimed adult demogorgon.

The pair of them are something special.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

I'm not condescending. trust me if i was you would know it, but watch this, I'm gonna do what an adult does. put all you people on ignore and move on with my life

fell free to throw me on ignore as well, or not whatever you want it's a free country.

Are you Strakt's alt account? Cause you two have the same condescension and passive aggressive use of smiles and winks.

 

[joecanada]

you know what I just realized? The ESRB needs to be taken to task on this issue as well.... when a 5 year old watches Aladdin, their parent will look at the rating and go oh ok its G, and what's it got in there? there may be a description of some stuff like "animated violence" or something like that. PG it may say "crude humour" I'm just making these up but I've seen descriptors like this before.

So when a parent buys a game say they buy overwatch and it's rated they say this

"
Overwatch

Platform: Windows PC, PlayStation 4, Xbox One

Rating Category: T (teen)
Content Descriptors: Blood, Use of Tobacco, Violence

Other: Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB (Windows PC, PlayStation 4, Xbox One)

Rating Summary: This is a first-person shooter in which players join an international task force trying to restore peace to the world. Players use a variety of firearms (e.g., pistols, machine guns), arrows, and futuristic weapons (e.g., laser blasters) to attack enemies in team combat objectives. Combat is frenetic with realistic gunfire, cries of pain, and explosions. Splashes of blood briefly appear with each successful hit. One character is depicted smoking a cigar.


So this is descriptive, why is the online not rated, I would see it something like this.

"ESRB had independent testers ranging from age 13-30 play this game online with the following observations noted:
female players were often called derogatory terms or threatened with rape.
minority players were often called derogatory terms.
players were told to kill themselves while online.
other players used racial slurs, derogatory terms, extremely offensive language and displayed harassing behaviours towards the testers
Offensive language occurred in 9/10 games played"


See how fast the companies get off their asses and institute a moderation system then.

 

[Strakt]

Are you Strakt's alt account? Cause you two have the same condescension and passive aggressive use of smiles and winks.

Why are you so butthurt?

 

[SilentRacoon]

you know what I just realized? The ESRB needs to be taken to task on this issue as well.... when a 5 year old watches Aladdin, their parent will look at the rating and go oh ok its G, and what's it got in there? there may be a description of some stuff like "animated violence" or something like that. PG it may say "crude humour" I'm just making these up but I've seen descriptors like this before.

So when a parent buys a game say they buy overwatch and it's rated they say this

"
Overwatch

Platform: Windows PC, PlayStation 4, Xbox One

Rating Category: T (teen)
Content Descriptors: Blood, Use of Tobacco, Violence

Other: Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB (Windows PC, PlayStation 4, Xbox One)

Rating Summary: This is a first-person shooter in which players join an international task force trying to restore peace to the world. Players use a variety of firearms (e.g., pistols, machine guns), arrows, and futuristic weapons (e.g., laser blasters) to attack enemies in team combat objectives. Combat is frenetic with realistic gunfire, cries of pain, and explosions. Splashes of blood briefly appear with each successful hit. One character is depicted smoking a cigar.


So this is descriptive, why is the online not rated, I would see it something like this.

"ESRB had independent testers ranging from age 13-30 play this game online with the following observations noted:
female players were often called derogatory terms or threatened with rape.
minority players were often called derogatory terms.
players were told to kill themselves while online.
other players used racial slurs, derogatory terms, extremely offensive language and displayed harassing behaviours towards the testers
Offensive language occurred in 9/10 games played"


See how fast the companies get off their asses and institute a moderation system then.

Now this is an initiative I like and could see getting work done, if it starts hurting their wallet, they will start taking measures to prevent abhorrent behaviour from ocurring within their games.

Until then I will use whatever tools I got at my disposal to improve, or at the very least prevent sociopaths from diminishing my enjoyment of the game.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Why are you so butthurt?

Why are you so inclined to consistently demonstrate an unwillingness to adhere to the behavior that you yourself tout?

 

[Audioboxer]

This is pretty much why I hardly play MP games. Those I do tend to be Souls games, or MMOs where I am part of a close knit community.

The MP gaming scene in general is filed with so much toxicity and terrible behaviour. It's often not even boys will be boys because they don't even keep it between themselves or their own friends. The amount of shit that is flung at randoms is crazy. Hence, I pretty much hate playing online.

It's probably worse on consoles due to widespread mic usage (consoles have one included). Growing up on PC gaming and playing CS/TFC usually just had some stupid text based trolling and/or sprays. Not often voice chat. Although PC probably has more people using headsets these days. I'd still wage a bet the general PC audience is slightly better than console gaming.

Immaturity, aggression and toxic behaviour just seems to be rampant on consoles. I wish Sony and MS banned more often and far harsher. Or at least the developers/publishers of the game the offences are being committed in take more action. I think private/dedicated servers from the PC realm also aid in clearing shit up, as admins can just ban troublemakers off the server. No such luck in the closed off ecosystems of consoles. It all falls on Sony/MS and the devs to clear up the mess.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

Why are you so butthurt?

I'm definitely not the one who's butthurt in this thread.