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Sega has published more bangers in the last three generations than Sony has in their entire history.

Right thats why they were forced become 3rd party and give the reins up to sony be real here sega cant even make a decent sonic game

 

[SmokedMeat]

Steam has more exclusives than anyone.

And unlike Sony and Epic Games, Gabe doesn’t have to pay the publisher for them.

 

[Felessan]

1. In an alternate scenario some of the remaining 78% would buy the game on PC.
2. The PC gaming player base is the largest by far. Getting PC gamers more interested in your games gets you much more bang for your buck, especially long term, compared to signing anti-consumer exclusivity deals with Sony.

1. We are talking explicitly about your false statement "(straight) 22% increase in sales if game out on PC". Alternative scenario when game launch on PC only is a massive loss as there is no way 22% will grow to 100%
2. PC gaming player base are mostly f2p and very cheap stuff. It's not a core console projects "70$" target audience. Sales split 22%/78% already telling a story, this "huge player base" in equal opportunity buys 3.5 times less copies. Pure numbers not always relevant, effective demand (i.e. number of people who actually buy at given price point) also plays important role.
3. Financially it makes a perfect sense to omit 20% sales to PC market immediately and delay it for 1-2 years on exclusivity deal. Company saves costs, get benefits from platform holder and loose almost nothing as it will get tail sales on PC anyway.
This is why it was a practice with long history.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Yeah, but sony makes close to 30 billion a year from PlayStation, 200mil loss is part of the risk but i dont think it hurts them as much as we think, thats a necessary risk

Excuse me, say what? Concord was a necessary risk? Yikes, is that what the fly on the inside of the window at Sony’s boardroom is telling themselves?

Oof.

 

[HogIsland]

1. We are talking explicitly about your false statement "(straight) 22% increase in sales if game out on PC". Alternative scenario when game launch on PC only is a massive loss as there is no way 22% will grow to 100%
2. PC gaming player base are mostly f2p and very cheap stuff. It's not a core console projects "70$" target audience. Sales split 22%/78% already telling a story, this "huge player base" in equal opportunity buys 3.5 times less copies. Pure numbers not always relevant, effective demand (i.e. number of people who actually buy at given price point) also plays important role.
3. Financially it makes a perfect sense to omit 20% sales to PC market immediately and delay it for 1-2 years on exclusivity deal. Company saves costs, get benefits from platform holder and loose almost nothing as it will get tail sales on PC anyway.
This is why it was a practice with long history.

ShiftUp tried it with Stellar Blade, and they're not doing it again.

Stellar Blade's dev working on a new "cross-platform next-gen" game after its PS5 exclusive

Shift Up goes back to multi-platform

www.gamesradar.com

 

[Ebrietas]

ShiftUp tried it with Stellar Blade, and they're not doing it again.

Stellar Blade's dev working on a new "cross-platform next-gen" game after its PS5 exclusive

Shift Up goes back to multi-platform

www.gamesradar.com

And what exactly does this prove other than Sony and shiftup didn't reach any agreement for their future game? Or perhaps Sony didn't even approach them with any deal. Many different possibilities.

The game hasn't even released on PC but already assuming it's going to be a big seller.

 

[Ebrietas]

And unlike Sony and Epic Games, Gabe doesn’t have to pay the publisher for them.

Is this supposed to be some kind of flex? Lol. Plenty of third party PS exclusives throughout the years that Sony didn't pay for but doesn't stop you guys from pushing secret money hat conspiracies.

 

[yanhash]

Excuse me, say what? Concord was a necessary risk? Yikes, is that what the fly on the inside of the window at Sony’s boardroom is telling themselves?

Oof.

They are the biggest gaming company on earth, they are still right more times than they are wrong

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

They are the biggest gaming company on earth, they are still right more times than they are wrong

Ooooh. That’s what you meant, eh? That’s an interesting take. So basically, “you win some, you lose some”. Lots of not winning for them lately! Helldivers II has been a rare bright spot for them in the last few years. And that wasn’t even known or intentioned to have the impact it had, it was just as surprising to PS as it was to any of us.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

initial sales are representative of most of the profit.

Which goes to show just how useful these initial limited sales data really are. RE4 Remake has just passed 8 million sold, and the most accurate sales trackers put half of that on PC.

 

[FreeY$L]

Sega has published more bangers in the last three generations than Sony has in their entire history.

Sony's exclusives has often birthed genres altogether, the most relevant example would be Demon's Souls and the Souls-likes genre, no other publisher would dare take a risk like that. But yeah, ignore the fact that Yakuza bombed so hard on the WiiU sega thought the franchise was done for, until sony funded the translation cost of Yakuza 5

 

[Felessan]

ShiftUp tried it with Stellar Blade, and they're not doing it again.

We know nothing about it. What it'll be, what parties involved (maybe MS preemptive paid some for it not be PS exclusive), what markets it's for (targeting global is one thing, targeting SK/China is another).
It might as well be NIKKE2 (you do remember that ShiftUP is a gacha games company first and foremost?), this time AAA gacha game - all of them multiplatform (not on switch and xbox though).

 

[mckmas8808]

Paying your way to success. Sonys way since the ps1 and it's worked.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Sony's exclusives has often birthed genres altogether, the most relevant example would be Demon's Souls and the Souls-likes genre, no other publisher would dare take a risk like that. But yeah, ignore the fact that Yakuza bombed so hard on the WiiU sega thought the franchise was done for, until sony funded the translation cost of Yakuza 5

Interesting example to choose, since Demon’s Souls was entirely made at FromSoftware, and not internally at PlayStation. They essentially just published it. And it was mostly because of the incredible unpopularity of Xbox in Japan at that time. There would’ve been no point in bringing it any other platform, as it certainly wouldn’t have run on the Wii.

 

[mckmas8808]

Ooooh. That’s what you meant, eh? That’s an interesting take. So basically, “you win some, you lose some”. Lots of not winning for them lately! Helldivers II has been a rare bright spot for them in the last few years. And that wasn’t even known or intentioned to have the impact it had, it was just as surprising to PS as it was to any of us.

Is this the lie you have to tell yourself to feel better?

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Is this the lie you have to tell yourself to feel better?

There’s been lots of winning at PlayStation lately? I must just be neglecting things.

 

[Felessan]

Interesting example to choose, since Demon’s Souls was entirely made at FromSoftware, and not internally at PlayStation. They essentially just published it. And it was mostly because of the incredible unpopularity of Xbox in Japan at that time. There would’ve been no point in bringing it any other platform, as it certainly wouldn’t have run on the Wii.

And getting published only in Japan was already a perilous task for it. It was a gem in a very rough stone.
It's not like publishers get just any game, it's still require money to publish and game should be reasonably popular to offset publishing costs, specially in PS3 era when physical (and all the hurdles associated with it) were dominant way of distribution w.

 

[Fortress of Regrets]

lol, Playstationlifestyle.net. This is a very deep reach.

 

[mckmas8808]

There’s been lots of winning at PlayStation lately? I must just be neglecting things.

You are.

- PS Portal has sold at least 560K in America alone in 10 months. Steam Deck sold 1 million (world-wide) in 8 months.
- PS Portal is the best selling (revenue wise) accessory of 2024.
- HellDivers 2 is a top 3 selling game of the year
- AstroBot is a GOTY contender
- PS5 is projected to sell 3 times more than Xbox Series consoles in 2024.
- Many 2nd and 3rd party console exclusives that have been great (FF7: Rebirth, Black Myth Wukong, Rise of the Ronin, Silent Hill 2: Remake, and Steller Blade)

 

[Roman Empire]

Final Fantasy 16 didn't do well on PC either.

Its mentioned in the article....

RE4 Remake was also 65% PS5, 15% PC in EU.

Wait, only 15% on PC? Holy, that's low.

 

[mckmas8808]

Wait, only 15% on PC? Holy, that's low.

It's the thing most in the video game media don't want to talk about when it comes to PC gaming. When they say "console gaming in dying, buy a PC", they ignore that RE4 Remake stat. It makes you wonder why.............

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

lol, Playstationlifestyle.net. This is a very deep reach.

I know I defer to PlayStationlifestyle.net for all my impartial gaming industry commentary

 

[Gaiff]

ShiftUp tried it with Stellar Blade, and they're not doing it again.

Stellar Blade's dev working on a new "cross-platform next-gen" game after its PS5 exclusive

Shift Up goes back to multi-platform

www.gamesradar.com

I would usually assume a game like Stellar Blade to do better on PlayStation, but the mods might bring all the horny dogs to the yard.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Paying your way to success. Sonys way since the ps1 and it's worked.

You confused the much wealthier MS with Sony except the success part.

 

[HogIsland]

I would usually assume a game like Stellar Blade to do better on PlayStation, but the mods might bring all the horny dogs to the yard.

I think Stellar Blade will do numbers in China that Playstation can't touch.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I would usually assume a game like Stellar Blade to do better on PlayStation, but the mods might bring all the horny dogs to the yard.

They're a PC/Mobile company so they expect their fans to be mainly on those places