The Inventor
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I thought it was a new Guardians of the Galaxy, but with (another) bald girl. In fact, I was very confused when the finally showed the title.
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TropicanaTwista
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And this is lame. Why comment then? People have convictions already. They could have shown anything and it would have been the same nonsense.
I honestly got no woke vibes outside of the main character design, but that doesn't automatically mean the game is woke. I hear people bitch for years about TLoU2 being woke and I didn't think it was at all
Aces High
Member
Naughty Dog was the reason why I switched from PC to PS as main gaming platform.
My reasoning:
Why would I invest thousands of Dollars on PC hardware if it's all about the skill of the dev in the end anyway?
But then came Part 2. And now this.
I try to be fair with them because ND gave me some of the greatest moments ever as a gamer.
This is the wrong way. Even if we put aside all that political culture war crap. This is not it.
This character design is shit.
Female Asian protagonist should be an easy win for a video game. But this character feels super uncanny and off-putting. You see her, you hate her.
They fucked this up.
ComputerBlue
Member
Is that Lev?
rabbity-thing
Member
Well, Raiden's a blonde bombshell, so....
Tokio Blues
Gold Member
Whats the point on using an ugly main character? like really, it's not a representation of the society at all.
Moridianae
Member
Just catching up on this over coffee and I see Naughty has gone the ol' "shut down discourse" route.
Same as the folks who make inflammatory accusations or comments on social media then immediately go no commenting, private profile or whatever.
We'll see. Naughty Dog has a lot of power, but there's a chance they misjudge the market and this flops. Not because of woke, but it just simply doesn't appeal to people the same way something gritty like Last of Us did.
diffusionx
Gold Member
if you dont see what made TLOU2 woke, I understand why you would also claim to be sick of people complaining about woke stuff. It'd be like a blind man not understanding why people dislike an eyesore of a building in their neighborhood.
PeteBull
Member
That is what happens when clown world person has 0 arguments left, so im not even mad, it actually is pretty funny how easily all the "tolerance and diversity" vanishes, when its not about sex or skin color of a person but diversity of thoughts/ideas, so things that actually matter
Tokio Blues
Gold Member
May be they could change that female, just like they did with Ellie.
PeteBull
Member
Indeed, full head of hair, feminine face, nice childbearing wide hips, its all the things heterosexual men love, nothing wrong with thatmeanwhile Rockstar knows how to design a feminine protagonist who still will be badass and strong in her own way
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I had those locked in somewhere inside my brain...they are now unlocked again. Thanks...
Mobilemofo
Member
Straight to voicemail. I'd imagine they are crying whilst attending the latest ubi circle jerk.
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TropicanaTwista
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No, people just over react. A lot of the complaints about woke in that game is just in bad faith. Like the trans chacater makes sense in the flow of the story. But since it's a trans character it automatically woke.
Something like SM2 had unnecessary wokeness. Having to help a gay couple ask someone to homecoming is just lame and ridiculous pandering to a small segment of people. Same with the whole black art section/missions. Neither of those really made any sense with the story or flow of the game. Was just woke things to be there just to be there
Bernardougf
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
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ElFenomeno
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VulcanRaven
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I'm glad she doesn't look like that and I'm sure people would be still calling it woke.
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Wandering Leopard
Member
I'd disagree the character is ugly, she just has a shaved head, but her clothing looks uninspired - minus the red jacket.
Deadpool is an ugly character but people don't have a problem with Deadpool movies.
Anyway, I didn't have a problem with Vasquez from Aliens so I don't have a problem with this.
I keep things simple when it comes to gaming, as it long as it looks fun to play I'll get it.
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ElFenomeno
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These exude femininity and its unacceptable.
Only muscular with wide shoulders and condescending women are approved at ND
Cyber_hunter026
Member
I may be looking too deep into this. Maybe Sony or whoever thought it was a cool song to use because you know “80’s” but I’m wondering if the song “it’s a sin” by the pet shop boys was a deliberate choice by Neil? especially given the context and meaning behind the song.
midnightAI
Member
Just curious (and I know this is off topic), but what do you think is actually woke in TLoU2? (and I mean actually woke, not something that can be explained by the situation characters are put in). I'm asking because lots of people get this wrong because they didn't play the game or weren't paying attention to some of the key storylines. Just having a female/lesbian lead does not make the game woke for example.
PeteBull
Member
Its to stick it to the chuds and show off strong independend boss babe that does not need no man.
Druckman makes the law in current day ND, so ofc protagonist had to be made that way, imagine how bad story gonna get when we can tell this early on how woke this shit gonna be
Back when ND introduced Coco(Crash'es younger sister) in Crash Bandicoot 2 she had more feminine features on playstation1 in 1997
AtomicStarving
Member
This is just one of the most off putting, unattractive, ugly looks on an already racially and sexually ambiguous, frumpy character.
After waiting so long for a fresh IP from these fucks, I get the good ol Gen Z arrogant, condescending bullshit stare.
The only thing that Im interested in at this point is the soundtrack.
Imagine 20 hours of that. This character feels so off for this world, crazy lol
What was your argument though? That "bald female blasians" had nothing to do with the 80s?That is what happens when clown world person has 0 arguments left, so im not even mad, it actually is pretty funny how easily all the "tolerance and diversity" vanishes, when its not about sex or skin color of a person but diversity of thoughts/ideas, so things that actually matter
A character played by Arnold is more fitting?
Hyet
Member
Jugding from the last shot being all grey and red and based off how much nobody wants to do the job (and previous games by the same director) I think that part of what this game is going for is contrast between the cozy ship (with all the brands you know, being able to watch anime, chill out) and brutal, revolting missions ouside. Add some mental health stuff due to the isolation and I think you have the bones of somethig they could be making...
TBiddy
Member
Sure. But considering it a make or break is weird.
Bernardougf
Member
I think independently of liking or not the game MC .. we can all agree Cuckman has a strong not so hidden fetish for strong muscular unfeminized women...
Ronin_7
Member
Close enough
Matsuchezz
Member
That and also there is a lot of people that want Naughty Dog to fail. Nowadays internet Allows people to be complete assholes. And its better to contain that kind of feedback because it’s not wholesome feedback, they want to fuck them up with death threats and weird ass comments that go well beyond criticizing the character desing. There are mentally ill people that has meltdowns about this kind of shit.
rickybooby87
Member
I like the concept. I dislike the actress, and her acting style. It's all a bit smug with a smidge of cringe (Uncharted, You, etc.).
Now, having said that, ND and Druckman knew exactly what they were doing when selecting her as the protagonist lol, it's got everyone up in arms. I know that some said you can't goon to her, but listen, they have ugly bastard porn for a reason, if you peel back enough rocks from the dirt, you're gonna find some sick gooner GOONING to it, everything is goonable to someone. Gaf, HATES her. REEE? They're probably drowning in a goonfest at this very moment.
Now, having said that, ND and Druckman knew exactly what they were doing when selecting her as the protagonist lol, it's got everyone up in arms. I know that some said you can't goon to her, but listen, they have ugly bastard porn for a reason, if you peel back enough rocks from the dirt, you're gonna find some sick gooner GOONING to it, everything is goonable to someone. Gaf, HATES her. REEE? They're probably drowning in a goonfest at this very moment.
ChorizoPicozo
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I have been listening to a Vtuber who is reading DEI documentation, articles, and podcasts from people involved with this agenda. To put it simply, DEI (especially in the United States) has become overwhelmingly pro-Black, pro-LGBTQ and proactively anti-white men/anti heterosexual.
One of the many arguments these groups make is that making your product or organization diverse brings in more money, makes you more competitive, and increases the market or demographics you can reach, because the "modern audience" is going to be the future and the white demographic is shrinking. However, what these people are trying to do is manufacture a market that is currently causing companies to lose money, have bad PR.
So, when I think about media like Rings of Power, The Acolyte, The Marvels, and, of course, things like Concord or The Vailguard (without considering their potential messaging)... it's clear, from a pragmatic point of view that their "casting" is meant to bring in these new demographics. Make the product even better and more successful..... im not sure they are achieving that.
I think perceiving something as woke or not, and the tolerance for it, is going to depend on each person.
to me, they are trying to appeal too much to nostalgia and.... i don't have any. the story set up feels generic and the the main character's attitude is off putting.
Zacfoldor
Member
I thought it was a Mass Effect and the MC looked that way because they were showing off the character builder.
Imagine my disappointment.
Salty Pickle
Member
Holy shit that is one good looking game. I know it is in-game cinematics but considering how good they made TLOU2 look on the PS4 I have really high hopes for this one.
Just love the ”80’s vision for the future-”setting.
I’m sold.
Just love the ”80’s vision for the future-”setting.
I’m sold.
JayK47
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If you are fine with the character, great. If not, also great. Third person games, for me, need to have an attractive character to look at for the 20+ hours of the game. It really detracts from the game looking at a character, which I know what made by a comity of nutjobs. I do not doubt for a second that the gameplay and graphics are great. The story and characters likely will not be. To each there own. I care about story and characters and less about graphics and frames per second. Many here seem to be the opposite.
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
This perfectly connects to the bizarre way Cuckmann is both an ideologue and a hack writer at the same time. How so? Basic media analysis. The only reason the trailer starts with the anime girl and then immediately switches to baldo tiny head cutting its hair is so Cuckmann can yet again intentionally subvert his hated gaming audience. Its a blatant bait and switch. "You'd want a character like this wouldn't you? Sike, get my progressive 0 male gaze allowed creature instead!"
That's the ideologue part. The hack writer part is that our stunning and brave MC... is also watching and enjoying that horrible male gaze Anime. Really mixed signals there, Brains 0 Cuckmann. But the explanation for this discrepancy is simple, he can't write for shit either. TLOU2 is full of similar amateur mistakes like that, very much in the cost of the overall message, but he lacks the talent to notice.
AtomicStarving
Member
I don't think its his 100% fault. ND is pretty much another woke studio from California. There's a ton of LGBT+ and trans people there like Emilia Schatz who are strongly putting their ideology into their games... Their mentality is "let's make a game we want to play" lol
BbMajor7th
Member
Grim as fuck, imagine trying to take the moral high ground while dehumanising your interlocutor to that hideous degree? Fucking state of it.
Zacfoldor
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Leave Boobie Fett alone.
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PeteBull
Member
Ofc its more fitting, didnt u forget how joel and drake looked? That is prefered look for character in a game, played mostly by us- heterosexual males, we buy AAA games at launch so if game doesnt pander to us but to 2% of population aka lesbians expect it to not have high sales, u can tell how gamers see that trailer by huge dislikes, there is a valid reason for those dislikes, and its awful design of main character.What was your argument though? That "bald female blasians" had nothing to do with the 80s?
To not look far:
Joel
Drake
Geralt
Michael
Franklin
Trevor
Niko
Tommy Vercetti
Kratos
Carl Johnson
John Marston
Arthur Morgan
They are all ultra masculine men, that is what we love to play as, most of playerbase/gamers, we who make games sell like hotcakes
Or u can have character design like this one, concord, suicide squad, DA:V, SW:O and all those other games that flopped, devs decide but if they fuck up such a major thing like design of a protagonist of their game, they ofc gotta bear consequences- aka nasty sales numbers
Druckmann is really one of the best writers in the industry. The level of writing in particularly the last of us series really catapulted the medium into the next level. I'm happy he's also leading the top developer in the industry!
Trogdor1123
Member
Uh… ok? Not much really in that.
BbMajor7th
Member
And, honestly, that's kinda fine - art is about personal expression and if you want to represent the experiences of a specific minority, all power to you, that's 1000% your right and I'll defend it to the grave. What I won't defend is getting fucked off at the majority and pretending they're all goose-stepping neo-fascists because it didn't appeal to them.
"This isn't for you!"
"Sure fine, k, I'll pass then."
"Why is nobody buying this?"
"You said it wasn't for me."
"Hmmm... smells like a rare incel victory."
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