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[LordOcidax]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe i'm dumb.

In other news, emulation is legal. No matter how you stretch it.



Okay?

What does that have to do with the emulators? You can't even use an emulator to steal a game, it does not provide links to rom sites.

Ok, you’re are part of the 1% of emulator users that go to the store a buy a physical copy of the game to be in law, the other 99% is what is hurting the Emulation scene and are giving Nintendo more bullet to make a case against Emulators. Nintendo has a 100% success rate against emulators, It’s matter of time for Nintendo to set a precedent.

 

[Hero_Select]

Let's not pretend that the vast majority of gamers that do pirate games don't give a fuck about buying games and would happily buy a switch and jailbroke it in order to still play for free. The mere existence of an emulator isn't hurting Nintendo, it just, aside of piracy, enables the buyers to have a better than native experience.
Piracy is a problem that occurs independently of emulation, it's not causes by it.

Also, emulators don't generate games for free, modded original consoles do. Emulators don't distribute pirated copies of games, that's internet. If there were no pirated games over internet, would you still call emulation a tool of piracy?

fuck You Nintendo and thanks for building such easy system to emulate, its awesome to play everything u make in high def on my PC.

People use emulators to pirate. This is why Nintendo has a problem with it.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Thats the problem, Nintendo always find something ilegal related to the emulator creator or the emulator itself.

Always? Are you saying that they had a case with all NES, SNES, N64, GBs, DSs, WiiUs emulators??

 

[Perrott]

Get bought by the Saudies and die, Nintendo.

 

[nkarafo]

Ok, you’re are part of the 1% of emulator users that go to the store a buy a physical copy of the game to be in law, the other 99% is what is hurting the Emulation scene and are giving Nintendo more bullet to make a case against Emulators. Nintendo has a 100% success rate against emulators, It’s matter of time for Nintendo to set a precedent.

It doesn't matter how many use emulators in whatever way.

Emulation is legal.

I mean, if it's illegal then Nintendo is also breaking the law since they use emulation too.

 

[rodrigolfp]

People use emulators to pirate. This is why Nintendo has a problem with it.

No, they don't. Emulators can't pirate anything. Do you need a drawing to understand that?

 

[LordOcidax]

Always? Are you saying that they had a case with all NES, SNES, N64, GBs, DSs, WiiUs emulators??

When they sue… Yes.

 

[rodrigolfp]

When they sue… Yes.

When did they sue those emulators creators and won?

 

[Hero_Select]

No, they don't. Emulators can't pirate anything. Do you need a drawing to understand that?

Oh I'm sorry I'll just boot up an Iso without an emulator and see how that goes.

 

[nkarafo]

When did they sue those emulators creators and won?

He just wished they did because he thinks his stocks would go higher at the time.

Oh I'm sorry I'll just boot up an Iso without an emulator and see how that goes.

You don't need an emulator for that. You can hack a real console and it will boot them.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Oh I'm sorry I'll just boot up an Iso without an emulator and see how that goes.

Your ignorance on the subject discussed is very evident now.

 

[LordOcidax]

When did they sue those emulators creators and won?

What case against emulators Nintendo has lost?

 

[rodrigolfp]

What case against emulators Nintendo has lost?

When did they go to court against any emulator??

 

[Krathoon]

Atari has been bad about double dipping with their Atari 50 collection. They are charging $50 for the steelbook edition of their latest release.

You can get a key at a keyshop for Steam and get it for a lot cheaper.

 

[nkarafo]

Emulation threads man...

Always at least one corporate apologist or stock holder in them.

I remember when associating emulation with piracy was bannable here. Those were the days.

What case against emulators Nintendo has lost?

Nintendo hasn't gone to court. Sony did and lost against Bleem.

Nintendo just forces settlements because the people who they target have no money to defend themselves. That's justice for you. And Nintendo are scum.

 

[Hero_Select]

You don't need an emulator for that. You can hack a real console and it will boot them.

How many people know how to do that or would go through the trouble? You have tutorial videos on youtube that teach you where to download emulators and roms for the sole purpose of pirating.

Emulators may not be illegal but people who are downloading them are doing it to play games for free. I have no stake in this, i really dont care either way - just saying I can see how Nintendo views it as a problem.

 

[VGEsoterica]

Emulation threads man...

Always at least one corporate apologist or stock holder in them.

I remember when associating emulation with piracy was bannable here. Those were the days.



Nintendo hasn't gone to court. Sony did and lost against Bleem.

Nintendo just forces settlements because the people who they target have no money to defend themselves. That's justice for you. And Nintendo are scum.

Yes Nintendo abuses the court system knowing the people they sue cannot afford the defense. Which is a problem with our court system. You can be right and still lose. That being said this streamer was a dipshit

 

[Krathoon]

Streamers are bad about doing how tos on dodgy shit. You gotta be careful. It is like putting it out on television.

 

[nkarafo]

How many people know how to do that or would go through the trouble? You have tutorial videos on youtube that teach you where to download emulators and roms for the sole purpose of pirating.

Emulators may not be illegal but people who are downloading them are doing it to play games for free. I have no stake in this, i really dont care either way - just saying I can see how Nintendo views it as a problem.

There are youtube videos with tutorials on how to hack consoles too. What's the difference?

Pirating PC games is even easier, you don't even need to hack your PC, Windows already allows you to play hacked PC games. Yet have you seen any publisher trying to ban Windows? Of course not because Microsoft would murder them in court.

And emulating modern systems isn't as easy. You still need some know how and additional files that don't come bundled with emulators like bios files.

 

[Hero_Select]

There are youtube videos with tutorials on how to hack consoles too. What's the difference?

Pirating PC games is even easier, you don't even need to hack your PC, Windows already allows you to play hacked PC games. Yet have you seen any publisher trying to ban Windows? Of course not because Microsoft would murder them at court.

And emulating modern systems isn't as easy. You still need some know how and additional files that don't come bundled with emulators like bios files.

Hacking a console also means you have to own it.

One is vastly easier than the other and readily available with options, and it's not like finding files is difficult. Some consoles require opening them up to hack them or run the risk of bricking, others (like the 3ds) are easy as cake.

 

[LordOcidax]

Emulation threads man...

Always at least one corporate apologist or stock holder in them.

I remember when associating emulation with piracy was bannable here. Those were the days.



Nintendo hasn't gone to court. Sony did and lost against Bleem.

Nintendo just forces settlements because the people who they target have no money to defend themselves. That's justice for you. And Nintendo are scum.

Ok, you’re are part of the 1% of emulator users that go to the store a buy a physical copy of the game to be in law, the other 99% is what is hurting the Emulation scene and are giving Nintendo more bullet to make a case against Emulators. Nintendo has a 100% success rate against emulators, It’s matter of time for Nintendo to set a precedent.

 

[Lokaum D+]

People use emulators to pirate. This is why Nintendo has a problem with it.

once they treat everyone like "criminal" i couldn't give a shit about it, ppl use Sony emulators since PS2, ShadPS4 is about to let u play Bloodborne on PC and thats it.

you are saying you hate nintendo for being against emulators because people pirate switch games day one yet you pirating the switch games ?

Definition of CAUSE AND EFFECT

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Emulation is not illegal, give me a decent hardware on just let me play my games via emulation, i m doing nothing wrong, fuck Nintendo.

 

[nkarafo]

Hacking a console also means you have to own it.

So it's OK to pirate games if you own the console they are made for?

One is vastly easier than the other and readily available with options, and it's not like finding files is difficult. Some consoles require opening them up to hack them or run the risk of bricking, others (like the 3ds) are easy as cake.

It's harder to do it so it's not illegal? Is that what you are trying to say?

 

[Mayar]

 

[rodrigolfp]

You can be right and still lose.

Everyone that lost so far wasn't right.

You have tutorial videos on youtube that teach you where to download emulators and roms for the sole purpose of pirating.

Downloading emulator is legal. Downloading ROMs is not legal. Simple as that.

 

[nkarafo]

Emulation is not illegal, give me a decent hardware on just let me play my games via emulation, i m doing nothing wrong, fuck Nintendo.

But if emulation becomes illegal it might cause my Nintendo stocks to moon up to +0.3% next month! I need to die on this hill!

 

[Lokaum D+]

But if emulation becomes illegal it might cause my Nintendo stocks to moon up to +0.3% next month! I need to die on this hill!

imagine not been able to play ToTK at 4k@60fps cause some billion dollar company don't want u to play the game u paid for in high quality, i rather quit gaming once for all then buy any other Nintendo game in my life.

 

[Hero_Select]

It's harder to do it so it's not illegal? Is that what you are trying to say?

lol, I don't know how you get that conclusion.

I'm just saying people turn to Emulators and ROMs because it's a lot easier to do in most cases.

Again, I have no problem with emulators myself - in fact most of the content I watch on Twitch these days is people playing Pokemon randomizers and obv. using emulators to run them by people who have the actual games. But I'm not going to pretend that the vast majority of people (especially ones pirating a modern console that's still being sold) aren't using emulators to play games they got for free.

TOTK leaked a week early and people were playing it before it even released and posting videos and screenshots.

I can understand why a company would be pissed.

 

[Gambit2483]

Nintendo Execs...

 

[nkarafo]

Again, I have no problem with emulators myself - in fact most of the content I watch on Twitch these days is people playing Pokemon randomizers and obv. using emulators to run them by people who have the actual games. But I'm not going to pretend that the vast majority of people (especially ones pirating a modern console that's still being sold) aren't using emulators to play games they got for free.

TOTK leaked a week early and people were playing it before it even released and posting videos and screenshots.

I can understand why a company would be pissed.

None of these have anything to do with the legal concept of software emulation.

TOTK leaked early - Not the emulator's fault. Go after the leakers.
Posting videos/screenshots - Not the emulator's fault.
Vast majority using emulators the wrong way - Not the emulator's fault. Go after the users.

Emulators are just tools. And if numbers is your only justification then think about the Amiga. Remember that? The vast majority of users were pirating the games. It was only the minority who actually bought them. But i don't remember any publisher ever suing Commodore for this and if they did, they never won. You know why? Because that logic doesn't make sense. You can't ban a tool because people use it the wrong way. The vast majority of stab victims are killed by knives, should knives be illegal then? See how absurd the logic is?

 

[ReBurn]

I get what you're trying to say, but Nintendo's lawyers don't make the games. That leaves them sitting around with lots of spare time to sue people into bankruptcy while other people focus on the games.

 

[Jinxed]

Nintendo should focus on not making outdated hardware. Lol scum

 

[Hero_Select]

None of these have anything to do with the legal concept of software emulation.

TOTK leaked early - Not the emulator's fault. Go after the leakers.
Posting videos/screenshots - Not the emulator's fault.
Vast majority using emulators the wrong way - Not the emulator's fault. Go after the users.

Emulators are just tools. And if numbers is your only justification then think about the Amiga. Remember that? The vast majority of users were pirating the games. It was only the minority who actually bought them. But i don't remember any publisher ever suing Commodore for this and if they did, they never won. You know why? Because that logic doesn't make sense. You can't ban a tool because people use it the wrong way. The vast majority of stab victims are killed by knives, should knives be illegal then? See how absurd the logic is?

When most people are using knives properly it's not really an issue. If almost everyone who owned a knife went around stabbing people then maybe people would look at it differently.

What percentage of people who download and use emulators are using it for piracy do you reckon? 70%? 80? 90?

I think it's a lot more closer to the high end than the low end.

 

[bender]

I get what you're trying to say, but Nintendo's lawyers don't make the games.

 

[nkarafo]

When most people are using knives properly it's not really an issue. If almost everyone who owned a knife went around stabbing people then maybe people would look at it differently.

What percentage of people who download and use emulators are using it for piracy do you reckon? 70%? 80? 90?

I think it's a lot more closer to the high end than the low end.

Again with the numbers.

What about the Amiga situation? You didn't answer that.

Why wasn't the Amiga computer illegal? Vast majority of people bought it to play illegal, pirated discs. Only a small % bought games for it or, let alone, use it for anything other than games. Especially the Amiga 500 which was made 100% for home use and not really for professionals.

You think a publisher suing Commodore for people using the Amiga to play pirated copies of their games makes sense? No? Then banning software emulation also does not. And i don't mean any particular emulator like Yuzu that may have crossed a line or not. I mean the very concept of software emulation, as a whole, that's what i'm defending.

Keep in mind, emulation is used everywhere. It's not just for playing games. Or preserving old, defunct hardware like MAME does. It's used outside gaming too. Its a very useful tool. And at any rate, game publishers also use emulators themselves. including Nitnendo. So what now?

 

[Hero_Select]

Again with the numbers.

What about the Amiga situation? You didn't answer that.

Why wasn't the Amiga computer illegal? Vast majority of people bought it to play illegal, pirated discs. Only a small % bought games for it or, let alone, use it for anything other than games. Especially the Amiga 500 which was made 100% for home use and not really for professionals.

You think a publisher suing Commodore for people using the Amiga to play pirated copies of their games makes sense? No? Then banning software emulation also does not. And i don't mean any particular emulator like Yuzu that may have crossed a line or not. I mean the very concept of software emulation, as a whole, that's what i'm defending.

Keep in mind, emulation is used everywhere. It's not just for playing games. Or preserving old, defunct hardware like MAME does. It's used outside gaming too. Its a very useful tool. And at any rate, game publishers also use emulators themselves. including Nitnendo. So what now?

Numbers matter? Idk why you keep trying to push that aside lol.

You're comparing two vastly different points in time. You could also plug in a Sega Genesis controller into an Atari 5200 (or one of the Ataris I believe). Companies are far more protective now and have shareholders to appease to. I have no problem with emulators, I use them myself - again - I'm jut reiterating why a company might when the vast majority of people are using them as an easily accessible way of pirating their software. That's it. lol

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Not weighing on the ugly legal bits in their filings -- which I doubt will ever amount to anything in future cases, probably just a lot of smoke to scare people off -- but I do think that posting videos about how to pirate current gen Nintendo games means you get what you deserve. People going online under their own name to post youtube videos like "buy a steam deck and just download all the zelda games lol, look I have all of it on my home screen" should be in serious hot water.

 

[VGEsoterica]

Not weighing on the ugly legal bits in their filings -- which I doubt will ever amount to anything in future cases, probably just a lot of smoke to scare people off -- but I do think that posting videos about how to pirate current gen Nintendo games means you get what you deserve. People going online under their own name to post youtube videos like "buy a steam deck and just download all the zelda games lol, look I have all of it on my home screen" should be in serious hot water.

It’s not the brightest move

 

[Brigandier]

Nintendo is not asking from help… Pretty sure that they can preserve their IPs well.

 

[nkarafo]

Numbers matter? Idk why you keep trying to push that aside lol.

You're comparing two vastly different points in time. You could also plug in a Sega Genesis controller into an Atari 5200 (or one of the Ataris I believe). Companies are far more protective now and have shareholders to appease to. I have no problem with emulators, I use them myself - again - I'm jut reiterating why a company might when the vast majority of people are using them as an easily accessible way of pirating their software. That's it. lol

Well. The end of the matter is that software emulation is officially legal. There's nothing else to debate.

And if the law ever changes.... Well, a lot of things will change in the software world and not just in gaming. Sony, Microsoft and even Nintendo themselves will have to stop their services and any backwards compatibility that uses anything related to emulating a single component.... Not to mention MAME and their massive effort since 1997 to emulate old hardware and computers will have to cease forever, meaning any piece of hardware (and the software that runs on it) will eventually go extinct. Every game or program will be extinct after the ip holder vanishes, bankrupts, etc, who knows. Every program that uses any kind of emulation layer will have to be banned. Even older professional software that uses emulation to work on more modern systems. A lot of useful tools and conveniences will stop existing because ...Nintendo wants to protect their shareholders.

Yeah, no. If they want to ban emulation, as a whole, they are unjustifiable scum of the worst kind. Possibly the worst kind of scum in the scummy world of greedy, scummy corporations that ever scummed. And that's a very high amount of scum.

 

[coffinbirth]

Hacking a console also means you have to own it.

One is vastly easier than the other and readily available with options, and it's not like finding files is difficult. Some consoles require opening them up to hack them or run the risk of bricking, others (like the 3ds) are easy as cake.

....or the Switch?
The easiest way to play a pirated Switch game...is with a hacked Switch, which is easier to hack and dl games directly from the device than a 3DS. So, no.

You need a relatively decent pc to get something like Tears of the Kingdom even playable, so the "have to own it" portion of your argument is rendered moot by virtue of "ease" and frankly, availability as well.

That's why they went after SXOS first, and THEN started on the emulators. They knew that SXOS were working on revision solutions and had card reader exploit/MiiGSwitch and shut them down...but that slowed them down only temporarily, and that's currently a HUGE problem for Switch 2 as well.

Atmosphere is still going strong, and there are now more emulators and forks of other emulators I can even keep track of any more.

They are just pissing in the wind and pissing off people in one fell swoop.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Again,

Only way to fight this, Nintendo, is to make it all available from your side. Conveniently.

 

[hemo memo]

Oh, man. Nintendo lawyers must be bored as hell to reach this level of stupidity.

 

[hemo memo]

Again,

Only way to fight this, Nintendo, is to make it all available from your side. Conveniently.

Yeah but the thing is, if it's conveniently available from thier side, they wouldn't be able to sell you overpriced old ports over and over again.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Yeah but the thing is, if it's conveniently available from thier side, they wouldn't be able to sell you overpriced old ports over and over again.

Offending hackers will never result in what Nintendo want.

Either they have bullet proof security, like, Xbox level. Or don’t mess with them.

Switch security has been made a laughing stock once you start looking into things that have been done on a hacked Switch.

 

[Mayar]

Oh, man. Nintendo lawyers must be bored as hell to reach this level of stupidity.

I think they look at all this criticism from the players and do something like this:

They do their job, they don't care.

They wouldn't be so confident if they didn't win all the time, how many emulators have they judged in the past year and have already won - 3?Аlthough I swear to God I really hope that they will at lose to Pallword. Because if they somehow manage to win against them, someone at Nintendo has a 100% straight line with the Devil...

 

[awwr999999]

Don't get me wrong, I love switch, but that is their fault for going with an Nvidia Android tablet instead of a more, lets say, customized design. Complexity also doubles as a copy protection mechanism.

Betting that the new Microsoft handheld PC will emulate a lot of Switch games at a level that's on par with native Switch gameplay.
MS dropping that around the same time as Switch 2 with an artificially low price could be real bad for Nintendo.

 

[VGEsoterica]

I think they look at all this criticism from the players and do something like this:

They do their job, they don't care.

They wouldn't be so confident if they didn't win all the time, how many emulators have they judged in the past year and have already won - 3?Аlthough I swear to God I really hope that they will at lose to Pallword. Because if they somehow manage to win against them, someone at Nintendo has a 100% straight line with the Devil...

The Palworld lawsuit is nonsense and they deserve to lose that on the merits. Doesn’t mean they will lose though

 

[MagnesD3]

I really hope nintendo wastes alot of money to lose hard

 

[SaintALia]

This has been Nintendo and Sony's stance since forever. It would be Microsoft's too if the emulation community dedicated more time to their consoles.

Emulation is seen as leading to piracy, thus leading to loss of revenue, among other things. It's always going to be seen as bad by any company really. NGL though, it would be pretty hilarious to see something like this go to the higher courts and it goes in favour of corporations in the US, as it very likely could.