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[MrCunningham]

yeah...

S = manufactured by Samsung
TW24 = Manufactured in Taiwan, June 2024 (I think? But there is also something pixelated out after 24... ooooOOoH....)
SN = Samsung (this should be obvious, since all of Samsung's product numbers start with "SN").
W8 = Samsung's 8MN process
VF = Virtua Fighter (?)
MOP = the tool needed to clean up all that jizz.

I just noticed right now that portions of the chip 'information' is pixelated out. Yeah, I am slow. So there is a mystery product number that starts with a "3" and ends with a "1". 30-R-A1 ? Maybe?

 

[Imtjnotu]

Samsung 8 nm was always going to be the favorite. The talk of Nintendo using TSMC N4 looked pretty silly.



Nintendo is cheap.

We know.... Watch the battery be 35wh at 4000ma

 

[Negotiator]

We know.... Watch the battery be 35wh at 4000ma

I think 8nm + LCD is the best course of action to release a hybrid console at $400 in early 2025.

In the next revision (around 2028) they could use 4nm + OLED + smaller battery.

 

[ADiTAR]

This doest mean it's their prioritized market, it means it did a better job catering to it while shifting their focus to a global western audience like every single company did. The idea that Nintendo became a multi billion dollar IP entertainment company catering to a shrinking Japanese market is absurd. Playstation left a void and Nintendo took it while making most of their money on the americas. Close Famitsu and read their financial reports instead.

Have you played their biggest games? Zelda is very Japanese, the influences in architecture, people, style, everything. In Mario Odyssey there are very much Japanese inspired levels. Most of their games in recent years are very much focused on their culture for the betterment of them, which is why the console is so popular there, I'd say.

 

[Fabieter]

at worse quality than an Xbox Series S, so yeah it can "play them"

Wouldnt be so sure. Series s has a problem with resolution and dlss will make sure its less of an issue here.

You can be sure that japan will still like it more than all other consoles tho.

 

[Brigandier]

This thing is gonna be a beast

The Beast:

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

at worse quality than an Xbox Series S, so yeah it can "play them"

It will put out better looking games than xss and better playing exclusives than PS5.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It will put out better looking games than xss and better playing exclusives than PS5.

Nope. It will not.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Nope. It will not.

Want to bet?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Wouldnt be so sure. Series s has a problem with resolution and dlss will make sure its less of an issue here.

You can be sure that japan will still like it more than all other consoles tho.

DLSS isn't going to be a savior, and Nintendo is going to limit docked mode power to ridiculous levels. DLSS won't suddenly make sub 1080p into 4K, and the chip probably doesn't have aggressive AI hardware anyway

 

[Robb]

The chip is being built for Nintendo specifically. Wouldn't make much sense for Nintendo to pay Nvudia to create something much more powerful than they need, only to significantly downclock it.

This is for TV mode of course. Will probably be downclocked for handheld mode.

With a beefy cooling system (2 fans) and a bigger battery they could sustain higher clocks. It could get a bit hot in touch, but that's it.

Sounds good to me, we’ll know soon enough I guess.

 

[Fabieter]

DLSS isn't going to be a savior, and Nintendo is going to limit docked mode power to ridiculous levels. DLSS won't suddenly make sub 1080p into 4K, and the chip probably doesn't have aggressive AI hardware anyway

Are some people offended by the idea that Nintendos hardware might be somehow competent.

 

[LordOcidax]

Are some people offended by the idea that Nintendos hardware might be somehow competent.

When they see the Matrix demo officially running on the Switch 2 it’s going to get worse.

 

[Zannegan]

When they see the Matrix demo officially running on the Switch 2 it’s going to get worse.

Didn't Nintendo deny any of that ever happened? Granted, Nintendo lies about the existence of prereleased hardware pretty much every gen. I just wouldn't bet the farm on Switch 2 running that Matrix demo at higher fidelity than current gen or however the rumor went.

It'll outperform some expectations, but if Samsung 8nm turns out to be true, there's only so much you can do in hardware that has to fit in a mobile chassis and run off of battery.

 

[LordOcidax]

Didn't Nintendo deny any of that ever happened? Granted, Nintendo lies about the existence of prereleased hardware pretty much every gen. I just wouldn't bet the farm on Switch 2 running that Matrix demo at higher fidelity than current gen or however the rumor went.

It'll outperform some expectations, but if Samsung 8nm turns out to be true, there's only so much you can do in hardware that has to fit in a mobile chassis and run off of battery.

No… And it was confirmed by various sources, the Zelda 4K demo and the Matrix Demo running on Switch 2 hardware. *Nobody said the Matrix demo was running at higher fidelity than the current gen.

Is a CUSTOM CHIP designed by Nvidia especially for the Switch 2… There’s a lot that a chip can do no matter if is 8nm or 6nm…

 

[Fabieter]

When they see the Matrix demo officially running on the Switch 2 it’s going to get worse.

I don't get it. It's a win for gamers tho.

 

[LordOcidax]

I don't get it. It's a win for gamers tho.

Agree, but they perceive the Switch 2 as a menace to their favorite system also some people needs to maintain their position in the console war, no matter what…

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Are some people offended by the idea that Nintendos hardware might be somehow competent.

Not at all.

We just know Nintendo better than you and understand they haven't made a competitive piece of hardware since the GameCube.

In fact, Switch 2 will likely be more akin to a "Switch Pro" - a mid gen refresh -- rather than a true next gen step.

I have no doubt they will cheap out on the process node of the chip, cheap out on the power, and cheap out on the dock's potential. And they will sell it to you for $399.

 

[LordOcidax]

Not at all.

We just know Nintendo better than you and understand they haven't made a competitive piece of hardware since the GameCube.

In fact, Switch 2 will likely be more akin to a "Switch Pro" - a mid gen refresh -- rather than a true next gen step.

I have no doubt they will cheap out on the process node of the chip, cheap out on the power, and cheap out on the dock's potential. And they will sell it to you for $399.

Do you think that the Switch 2 in docked mode is not going to perform above PS4?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Do you think that the Switch 2 in docked mode is not going to perform above PS4?

Switch 1 doesn't perform as well as the PS3 in docked mode, so I believe that Switch 2 in docked mode will probably be shy of the PS4 as well. But even if it does exceed it (through DLSS or whatever), it won't be by much.

 

[Negotiator]

Not at all.

We just know Nintendo better than you and understand they haven't made a competitive piece of hardware since the GameCube.

In fact, Switch 2 will likely be more akin to a "Switch Pro" - a mid gen refresh -- rather than a true next gen step.

I have no doubt they will cheap out on the process node of the chip, cheap out on the power, and cheap out on the dock's potential. And they will sell it to you for $399.

What if someone enjoyed more the glorious DX9/PS3/360 era than the current one?

Not everyone cares about top-notch, photorealistic graphics.

Even if they manage to simulate reality in GPUs some day in the distant future, not everybody will find it appealing.

There are millions of people out there who enjoy stylized, cartoony graphics. Kinda like Pixar.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it if Zelda or Mario adopted a realistic art style.

But I do want to see Nintendo innovating gameplay-wise with the new type of shaders or even RT...

When Nintendo adopted programmable pixel shaders on Wii U, they created Splatoon (a very innovative 3rd person shooter).

Splatoon (the ink mechanic) wouldn't have been possible without pixel shaders and you know very well we have it on PCs since 2001 (GeForce 3).

And apart from all of that, I'm glad Nintendo doesn't want the enter the AAArms Race (slow output of games, crunch, $80 price tags with tons of DLC).

 

[LordOcidax]

Switch 1 doesn't perform as well as the PS3 in docked mode, so I believe that Switch 2 in docked mode will probably be shy of the PS4 as well. But even if it does exceed it (through DLSS or whatever), it won't be by much.

What? The Switch runs almost every game that is also available in the PS3 at a higher resolution and more stable frame rate when docked … Still. In a few weeks surely we are going to know who is right when it comes to the Switch 2 power. I hope that you are not of the ones that it’s going to move the goal post.

 

[Negotiator]

Switch 1 doesn't perform as well as the PS3 in docked mode, so I believe that Switch 2 in docked mode will probably be shy of the PS4 as well. But even if it does exceed it (through DLSS or whatever), it won't be by much.

There are games that run at 60 fps on Switch with very nice shaders and wouldn't be able to run at even 30 fps on PS3. And I won't even mention the texture quality (PS3 256MB VRAM vs 4GB UMA).

Compare Splatoon with Uncharted or Gears of War.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

What? The Switch runs almost every game that is also available in the PS3 at a higher resolution and more stable frame rate when docked … Still. In a few weeks surely we are going to know who is right when it comes to the Switch 2 power. I hope that you are not of the ones that it’s going to move the goal post.

Name a single Switch game that looks as good as The Last of Us or Uncharted 2/3

There are games that run at 60 fps on Switch with very nice shaders and wouldn't be able to run at even 30 fps on PS3. And I won't even mention the texture quality (PS3 256MB VRAM vs 4GB UMA).

Compare Splatoon with Uncharted or Gears of War.

Splatoon clearly looks significantly worse....? I don't understand your comment

 

[bender]

Name a single Switch game that looks as good as The Last of Us or Uncharted 2/3

Last Hope: Dead Zone Survival

 

[LordOcidax]

Name a single Switch game that looks as good as The Last of Us or Uncharted 2/3



Splatoon clearly looks significantly worse....? I don't understand your comment

I knew it Already moving the goal post . Let’s compare games available on both consoles please…

 

[t_wilson01]

This is reminding me of the thread were Nintendo diehards would stubbornly insist that the WiiU would match the performance of the PS4 because it was more efficient.

 

[Negotiator]

Name a single Switch game that looks as good as The Last of Us or Uncharted 2/3

Splatoon clearly looks significantly worse....? I don't understand your comment

Definitely not from a technical/objective perspective (pixel/vertex shader usage and even PBR that Uncharted 2/3 don't have). All that running at silky smooth 60 fps!

Unless by "worse" you mean subjective analysis (that it looks like a "kiddie game").

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Switch 1 doesn't perform as well as the PS3 in docked mode, so I believe that Switch 2 in docked mode will probably be shy of the PS4 as well. But even if it does exceed it (through DLSS or whatever), it won't be by much.

What? Lol

When was the last time you played a PS3?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

What if someone enjoyed more the glorious DX9/PS3/360 era than the current one?

Not everyone cares about top-notch, photorealistic graphics.

Even if they manage to simulate reality in GPUs some day in the distant future, not everybody will find it appealing.

There are millions of people out there who enjoy stylized, cartoony graphics. Kinda like Pixar.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it if Zelda or Mario adopted a realistic art style.

But I do want to see Nintendo innovating gameplay-wise with the new type of shaders or even RT...

When Nintendo adopted programmable pixel shaders on Wii U, they created Splatoon (a very innovative 3rd person shooter).

Splatoon (the ink mechanic) wouldn't have been possible without pixel shaders and you know very well we have it on PCs since 2001 (GeForce 3).

And apart from all of that, I'm glad Nintendo doesn't want the enter the AAArms Race (slow output of games, crunch, $80 price tags with tons of DLC).

I am not claiming Switch 2 will not be worth owning. Or that Nintendo's exclusives won't have great visuals (at least, some of them). I will buy it Day 1 for the Nintendo exclusives. But that doesn't mean it will be a compelling piece of hardware relative to many other options on the market.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

What? Lol

When was the last time you played a PS3?

There's not a single Switch game I have played that looks as good.

 

[LordOcidax]

What? Lol

When was the last time you played a PS3?

The guy is out of his mind

 

[kevboard]

I am not claiming Switch 2 will not be worth owning. Or that Nintendo's exclusives won't have great visuals (at least, some of them). I will buy it Day 1 for the Nintendo exclusives. But that doesn't mean it will be a compelling piece of hardware relative to many other options on the market.

it will be more powerful than most PC handhelds... not sure what more people would want

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

it will be more powerful than most PC handhelds... not sure what more people would want

I don't think it will be. There will be many more powerful PC handhelds on the market. I am not convinced it will be more powerful than Steam Deck, even.

 

[GigaBowser]

Want to bet?

they mades totk on switch mk8 wii u games will be armazing my friends they will go crazy with this powers

 

[GigaBowser]

I don't think it will be. There will be many more powerful PC handhelds on the market. I am not convinced it will be more powerful than Steam Deck, even.

steam deck no dlsss nort optimized dont be afraid join the handheld masters race

 

[LordOcidax]

I don't think it will be. There will be many more powerful PC handhelds on the market. I am not convinced it will be more powerful than Steam Deck, even.

Dude, you think that the PS3 is more powerful than the Switch docked, i think that your technical knowledges about hardware needs a check for this kind of discussion.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Dude, you think that the PS3 is more powerful than the Switch docked, i think that your technical knowledges about hardware needs a check for this kind of discussion.

And you can't show a single game that looks as good as the PS3 titles mentioned before.

Someone literally suggested Splatoon was better visually than Uncharted or Gears of War. LMFAO.

 

[RodriGames40]

I don't think it will be. There will be many more powerful PC handhelds on the market. I am not convinced it will be more powerful than Steam Deck, even.

Has anyone here actually compared say, Rog Ally X to Series S head on? Because not even DF have tried to do so, surprisingly.

 

[Negotiator]

I am not claiming Switch 2 will not be worth owning. Or that Nintendo's exclusives won't have great visuals (at least, some of them). I will buy it Day 1 for the Nintendo exclusives. But that doesn't mean it will be a compelling piece of hardware relative to many other options on the market.

It depends.

There are families who only own Switch and nothing else.

IMHO, Nintendo should stick to $400 and not try the $500 price point, otherwise they risk having a new Wii U in their hands.

I would say that for many people PS5/XBOX Series have been underwhelming compared to previous generations. They crave for a new console experience.

If the AAArms Race continues, I cannot imagine how Sony will be able to supply PS6 with a steady stream of games... let alone Microsoft on a potential next-gen XBOX (chances are it won't sell that well).

Maybe Nintendo's strategy which focuses on gameplay/art style will push Sony to rethink their strategy too (Astro Bot could be an indication of that). Hermen Hulst's comment about reviving old IPs (from the PS3 era?) could be another indication.

Maybe the rumors about having 2 SKUs for PS6 (one could be portable or something like XSS) have some merit... we'll see what the future entails.

There's not a single Switch game I have played that looks as good.

Let me tell you Uncharted 2 is my favorite game of all time, but tech-wise Splatoon 2/3 surpass it. Where's the PBR?

Only Beyond Two Souls had PBR on PS3 and it ran nowhere near 60 fps.

IMHO, Sony should rethink their priorities, revive old IPs (like Uncharted) and stick to PS3-4 production values. It would be a more sustainable path, but they've spoiled their audience and now they're paying the price.

 

[Hero_Select]

And you can't show a single game that looks as good as the PS3 titles mentioned before.

Someone literally suggested Splatoon was better visually than Uncharted or Gears of War. LMFAO.

Metroid Prime looks fucking gorgeous and runs at a locked 60fps.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It depends.

There are families who only own Switch and nothing else.

IMHO, Nintendo should stick to $400 and not try the $500 price point, otherwise they risk having a new Wii U in their hands.

I would say that for many people PS5/XBOX Series have been underwhelming compared to previous generations. They crave for a new console experience.

If the AAArms Race continues, I cannot imagine how Sony will be able to supply PS6 with a steady stream of games... let alone Microsoft on a potential next-gen XBOX (chances are it won't sell that well).

Maybe Nintendo's strategy which focuses on gameplay/art style will push Sony to rethink their strategy too (Astro Bot could be an indication of that). Hermen Hulst's comment about reviving old IPs (from the PS3 era?) could be another indication.

Maybe the rumors about having 2 SKUs for PS6 (one could be portable or something like XSS) have some merit... we'll see what the future entails.


Let me tell you Uncharted 2 is my favorite game of all time, but tech-wise Splatoon 2/3 surpass it. Where's the PBR?

Only Beyond Two Souls had PBR on PS3 and it ran nowhere near 60 fps.

IMHO, Sony should rethink their priorities, revive old IPs (like Uncharted) and stick to PS3-4 production values. It would be a more sustainable path, but they've spoiled their audience and now they're paying the price.

A game's visuals aren't defined by technical feature. Who cares that it doesn't have PBR?

Anyone claiming that Splatoon is anywhere close to games like UC2/3, TLOU, Gears of War, etc. is simply delusional

 

[Negotiator]

And you can't show a single game that looks as good as the PS3 titles mentioned before.

Someone literally suggested Splatoon was better visually than Uncharted or Gears of War. LMFAO.

I'm asking again:

Where's the PBR in Uncharted 2? Are you blind or something?

 

[LordOcidax]

And you can't show a single game that looks as good as the PS3 titles mentioned before.

Someone literally suggested Splatoon was better visually than Uncharted or Gears of War. LMFAO.

 

[Robb]

I'm asking again:

Where's the PBR in Uncharted 2? Are you blind or something?

He thinks, personally, that Uncharted looks the best. He doesn’t care about the technical parts of it.

You’re arguing facts vs. opinion here. It’s a pointless discussion.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Metroid Prime looks fucking gorgeous and runs at a locked 60fps.

Looks good, yes, but it has a clean art style. It's not a particularly demanding or detailed game though. Plenty of PS360 era games look better.

 

[GigaBowser]

And you can't show a single game that looks as good as the PS3 titles mentioned before.

Someone literally suggested Splatoon was better visually than Uncharted or Gears of War. LMFAO.

totk a billions times mores advanced then uncharted

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It’s a pointless discussion. He thinks, personally, that Uncharted looks the best. He doesn’t care about the technical parts of it.

You’re arguing facts vs. option here. It’s a pointless discussion.

"Facts"

How many polygons is splatoon pushing? The tech discussion doesnt end at PBR. What about the texture quality of Splatoon?

Reminder:

 

[Hero_Select]

Looks good, yes, but it has a clean art style. It's not a particularly demanding or detailed game though. Plenty of PS360 era games look better.

wat. how is it not detailed? lol

 

[Kataploom]

There's not a single Switch game I have played that looks as good.

Breath of the wild has more modern graphical techniques in a way bigger scale and with way more complex gameplay mechanics (including physics) than anything in the PS3, and it was made for the Wii U. NPC details is not that big, but that's about it, it doesn't need it anyway for the type of game it is.

Metroid Prime Remaster looks way better than anything on PS3 due to its use of PBR, and MP4 looks a whole gen above to many people that claims is not even for Switch lol.

There are games like Call Of Juarez Gunslinger that run with better graphics settings, at 1080p and very stable 30 fps compared to PS3 version. Also RDR just came out, a game that iirc many people complained about its performance and sub-HD resolution on 7th gen and it runs smooth and at 1080p on Switch.

Also doesn't Switch run the remastered version of most 7th ports, like Skyrim? Hell the Darksiders Warmaster edition even have a 60 fps mode on Switch, did you know how that game ran on 7th consoles?

I mean, you have plenty of examples already, you don't need to scavenge on some dark YouTube place to find them.

Architecture advances can go a looooong way, specially when PS4 and Xbox where already weak when they released, except for PS4 GPU which was kinda decent still, at least for 30 fps gaming, so basically v Switch 2 just have to exist and it would be very difficult these days to design something weaker.

It's like trying to find an appropriate CPU to compare to the ones in current gen consoles, because those are so weak that low end cheapo ones are at least on par, anything 6 cores and above just obliterate them.