Nintendo Switch 2 Preorders Delayed (US) Due To Tariffs, Release Date Still June 5

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I actually don't think tariffs will correct the issues but there are issues. Cost of goods is not isolated from wages. This effects Europe more than America as the economy is generally worse but if you for instance lose much of your industry due to cheap imports, there is a cost to the consumer even if stuff is cheaper. There is a direct cost of artificially increasing the price of a good either through a tariff or a sales tax, so something is now $150 instead of $100, but there is also an indirect cost of losing lower middle income jobs. So if an automotive plant closes and people there were earning $60,000 and that was replaced with Amazon warehouse with half the wage. Yes, something is now $50 more expensive but those people are $30,000 down and this can be repeated. No one knows what wages would be now if we didn't deindustrialise. Yes things would be more expensive but wages could be a lot higher.
I cannot get over that you responded to a chart showing that median wages are the highest they've been in 40 years (in basically the richest country in the history of the world) by saying no no, listen to my conjecture about replacing apocryphal high earning factory jobs with Amazon jobs. I cannot believe it. You are a microcosm for why we are all f'd.
 
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I think most likely the US and Japan will make a deal within the coming days and weeks and the price will stay the same.

One thing I will say having looked into it more is these tariffs the US has imposed are not reciprocal in the way the Trump administration are saying - they are in some cases significantly higher - or at least the methods to determine them are not very clear. What's most likely going on is that Trump is using his typical tactic after asking for the moon to force countries to the table - and it will probably be successful. It's certainly a risky strategy though as some places like China or the EU could decide to play hardball. I think for sure Japan will come to the table though - according to some reports they already have.
The Switch 2 isn't manufactured in Japan so it doesn't really matter if they make a deal with Japan.
I think we will have to wait and see if his tariffs actually take effect. I don't think they are supposed to start until April 9th and he could easily walk them back like how he paused the Canadian ones multiple times.
 
Nike must be on to something…
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It's because Vietnam, a poor country that doesn't buy any of our stuff (so their tariffs are essentially irrelevant) but where Nike shoes are actually made, is reportedly making a deal with Trump to drop tariffs. It's the opposite of what the looney tunes are saying is going to happen-- you can only reshore manufacturing jobs by making goods from elsewhere so expensive that manufacturing in a high wage country like ours becomes competitive. Are you all just 12 years old, is that the problem?
 
Damn that pesky democracy.

letting people vote for who they want, and we would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

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He never said you shouldn't have been allowed to vote for who you wanted.

But you can't really complain when you get what you signed up for.
 
The Switch 2 isn't manufactured in Japan so it doesn't really matter if they make a deal with Japan.
I think we will have to wait and see if his tariffs actually take effect. I don't think they are supposed to start until April 9th and he could easily walk them back like how he paused the Canadian ones multiple times.

OK - so the Switch 2 is actually manufactured in Vietnam - which happens to be one of the first countries to signal their intent to come to the table and make a deal. So again, the price will likely stay the same.
 
OK - so the Switch 2 is actually manufactured in Vietnam - which happens to be one of the first countries to signal their intent to come to the table and make a deal. So again, the price will likely stay the same.
Countries have been talking with Trump for a while now. Canada and UK for example had been trying to work with Trump to get tariffs dropped, but still got tariffed.
And what exactly do you think Vietnam could make a deal on? It's not like the Vietnamese people have a bunch of money to buy American goods to balance out that trade deficit Trump hates.
If he drops the tariffs it's because they are unpopular and/or crashing the economy, regardless of what he might say.
 
Countries have been talking with Trump for a while now. Canada and UK for example had been trying to work with Trump to get tariffs dropped, but still got tariffed.
And what exactly do you think Vietnam could make a deal on? It's not like the Vietnamese people have a bunch of money to buy American goods to balance out that trade deficit Trump hates.
If he drops the tariffs it's because they are unpopular and/or crashing the economy, regardless of what he might say.

Wrong - Vietnam up until recently has had higher tariffs on the US than the US has had on Vietnam. Trump specifically posted recently that Vietnam is open to making a deal. So Vietnam absolutely can make a deal.
 
OK - so the Switch 2 is actually manufactured in Vietnam - which happens to be one of the first countries to signal their intent to come to the table and make a deal. So again, the price will likely stay the same.
Is it that simple? It's most likely only assembled in Vietnam, the actual parts are coming from elsewhere - especially the important ones like GPU.
 
Wrong - Vietnam up until recently has had higher tariffs on the US than the US has had on Vietnam. Trump specifically posted recently that Vietnam is open to making a deal. So Vietnam absolutely can make a deal.
Vietnam's tariffs on the US were less than 20%, and they had already been dropping them beforehand to try to avoid the US's tariffs. Instead they got hit with 46%. They could make a deal to reduce the US tariffs, sure, but if the US dropped the tariffs entirely then that kind of defeats the plan of bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US. (assuming that was ever his plan to begin with).
Is it that simple? It's most likely only assembled in Vietnam, the actual parts are coming from elsewhere - especially the important ones like GPU.
Only thing that matters is where final assembly is.
 
Anyone want to make an avatar bet, that it will NOT launch on June 5th in the US?

I don't think it will, i also think it is possible it doesn't launch anywhere in June.


Console sales for Sony, Xbox and Nintendo may be cooked!
I don't think they'll delay it, the US is their biggest market, it's just too important. They may have to get creative tho.
 
Vietnam's tariffs on the US were less than 20%, and they had already been dropping them beforehand to try to avoid the US's tariffs. Instead they got hit with 46%. They could make a deal to reduce the US tariffs, sure, but if the US dropped the tariffs entirely then that kind of defeats the plan of bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US. (assuming that was ever his plan to begin with).

Only thing that matters is where final assembly is.

I don't think Trump suddenly wants all Switches made in America - that would be totally unrealistic. In most cases, he is just looking to eliminate tariffs. The manufacturing issue is more about US companies that outsource their manufacturing - not Japanese companies.

Is it that simple? It's most likely only assembled in Vietnam, the actual parts are coming from elsewhere - especially the important ones like GPU.

Fair point - that could complicate matters in the long term if they get a lot of parts from China, for example, if a deal can't be reached.
 
I would actually respond to you but most don't really want to hear how people here were feeling under the last administration and how poor the other choice was
I won't respond because the guy has zero knowledge of what Americans have gone through protecting the entire world while constantly getting screwed in return. I'm not saying we're better at all, but when you are constantly paying to help everyone else and you get screwed in return something has to change
 
I won't respond because the guy has zero knowledge of what Americans have gone through protecting the entire world while constantly getting screwed in return. I'm not saying we're better at all, but when you are constantly paying to help everyone else and you get screwed in return something has to change
What is this persecution complex that somehow the world is scamming the US?
 
I won't respond because the guy has zero knowledge of what Americans have gone through protecting the entire world while constantly getting screwed in return. I'm not saying we're better at all, but when you are constantly paying to help everyone else and you get screwed in return something has to change
We are the richest country in the world. The post wwii international order, which was our design, has led to the greatest era of peace and prosperity the world has ever known. That benefitted us! How are we getting screwed?!
 
We are the richest country in the world. The post wwii international order, which was our design, has led to the greatest era of peace and prosperity the world has ever known. That benefitted us! How are we getting screwed?!

Some people truly belive America are just good guys doing good things when really we almost never make a move that we dont think will benefit us while someone else gets screwed over.
 
Without getting too far off topic it's looking more like this tariff strategy isn't about industrial reform and more about creating an 'us vs them' mentality and claiming 'wins' based on getting nations to make essentially meaningless concessions
 
I won't respond because the guy has zero knowledge of what Americans have gone through protecting the entire world while constantly getting screwed in return. I'm not saying we're better at all, but when you are constantly paying to help everyone else and you get screwed in return something has to change
Don't pretend that your wars hasn't report you benefits. Your industrial complex of weaponry has feed you and the dollar. Trust me, you're gonna miss this decades if Cheeto goes on and the dollar loses its status of worldwide reserve currency. And I'm not talking about a 599$ Switch. And btw, the world isn't screwing you. You are one of the richest countries ever. Your problems with healthcare (that you invest more than almost everyone) and inequity are structural to how you guys build your whole system. Down to city design even.
 
I won't respond because the guy has zero knowledge of what Americans have gone through protecting the entire world while constantly getting screwed in return. I'm not saying we're better at all, but when you are constantly paying to help everyone else and you get screwed in return something has to change

Just to be sure do you mean stuff like the plaza accord? Do you know the trade agreement which fucked over the Japanese economy over decades for that "defense". Japanese economy was number 1 when that trade agreement hit.
 
Without getting too far off topic it's looking more like this tariff strategy isn't about industrial reform and more about creating an 'us vs them' mentality and claiming 'wins' based on getting nations to make essentially meaningless concessions

Nah bro we totally "showed" Vietnam...
showed them they can't depend on us making isues out of nothing and that we will shoot ourselves in the face so that our blood dirties their shoes.
definitely not a move that will make them do all they can do distance themselves.

All this so a guy can pretend he's fixing America's issues, and those issues are everyone's fault but America
 
Yeah that's not right. Trump done this as a power move; so they, and US citizens are less reliant on China (essentially hurt them). The rest of the tariffs are just collateral.
I meant indiscriminate in the sense they apply to all goods, not just those in particular industries. (Apart from a small number of specific exemptions) Additionally however they apply to imports generally, not just those originating from China.
 
I'm glad to see this affect gaming so more "bros" feel it directly. Personally I'm somewhat too apathetic about gaming right now to care one way or another on the price of Switch 2 or any console because I was already too busy grappling with the dismantling of democracy for it to be a big deal. When you're worried about martial law coming, you're not fretting over the price of Mario Kart.
 
Without getting too far off topic it's looking more like this tariff strategy isn't about industrial reform and more about creating an 'us vs them' mentality and claiming 'wins' based on getting nations to make essentially meaningless concessions

Fucking nailed it.

It's all smoke and mirrors by the looks of it to me. I could be wrong but it looks like this is all just so Trump can say "look i made them lower their tariffs"

But what are these countries buying that's American to anywhere similar to what America buys from Asian or other countries?

It all seems like a chest beating excersise to me.

I could be massively wrong though.
 
And it's only going to get worse...


The video game sector must brace for impact following the announcement of Trump's new tariffs earlier this week. According to Aubrey Quinn, senior vice president of the ESA, these tariffs will significantly disrupt game development, as well as hardware and software production.

Gaming hardware such as dedicated home consoles will experience a particularly big fallout, Quinn said. These devices are primarily manufactured in countries targeted by the tariffs. Even the parts required on the assembly line, which are typically sourced from various local and international markets, could face additional levies, further inflating the final cost of production.

"Any one product that a consumer would buy is likely to be subject to many of the tariffs announced, all compounded on top of one another," Quinn stated. Then there's the issue of retaliation, with many nations and the European Union threatening to respond with their own tariffs. According to the ESA, Trump's so-called Liberation Day may just be the beginning of a long and uncertain road.
Tech companies like Apple and Nintendo attempted to mitigate the impact of the tariffs by relocating manufacturing operations from China to alternative, often cheaper countries like Vietnam. But Trump caught up with them, too, announcing a 46 percent tariff on Vietnamese imports on April 2.

As a result, American consumers can expect to pay around $450 for the upcoming Switch 2 console, while Japanese gamers – unaffected by U.S. tariffs – will pay only $343 for the same device. Even the price of new games for the recently announced console is expected to rise, with Nintendo citing tariffs among several contributing factors.
 
Fucking nailed it.

It's all smoke and mirrors by the looks of it to me. I could be wrong but it looks like this is all just so Trump can say "look i made them lower their tariffs"

But what are these countries buying that's American to anywhere similar to what America buys from Asian or other countries?

It all seems like a chest beating excersise to me.

I could be massively wrong though.
You are not wrong
 
Trump is mad about the trade deficit between the US and Europe: Europe is selling more goods to the US than vice versa. But here's the fucked up thing: that's primarily because a shit ton of US companies don't manufacture goods in the US but in low wage countries in Asia whereas European companies are more likely to manufacture products in Europe.

If Europeans do nothing else buy Intel & AMD processors, Nvidia graphics cards, Seagate hard drives, Motorola modems, Apple phones, tablets and computers, MS Xboxes, Levi jeans, Nike shoes, drink Coca Cola, McDonalds Big Macs , Starbucks coffee, Northface jackets and Ralph Lauren polo shirts, Tesla electric cars, etc etc. none of these purchases will have an effect on the US/EU trade deficit because not a single thing on that list was "Made in the US".

Even if the EU lowered ALL tariffs to 0% for US high tech products. it wouldn't lower the US/EU trade deficit as long as US companies continue to make more money manufacturing products in poor Asian/S-American countries than at home (while at the same time using every tax loophole known to man to keep as much of their profits as they possibly can).

The irony is that Trump thinks his Liberation Day announcements are starting to have an effect now that both Vietnam and Cambodia want to bring down tariffs to 0%. Well, the people in those countries are piss-poor, that's the reason why companies like Nike like to produce everything there. The people in these countries will remain unable to afford "made in the US" products (so no effect on the trade deficit) and without US tariffs against their cheap as hell products not a single US company will have to move manufacturing back to the US. So what's the fucking point of "Liberation Day"?
 
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My comment on the first page was deleted, but why? Hey Mods suck my salty balls ⚽

Fucking cocksuckers
 
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Make no mistake, it's essential that we stop hemorrhaging our money. Today the average american has lost 90% of their purchasing power vs equities since 1980.

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This is the fundamental problem, when western society moved away from a production economy to a financialization world. People are trapped in a game where they will always lose because governments are overspending and central banks are printing your money away to pay that debt while you're stuck with disposable income to subscribe netflix, buy Switch 2 but unable to buy assets.
 
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Make no mistake, it's essential that we stop hemorrhaging our money. Today the average american has lost 90% of their purchasing power vs equities since 1980.

FnresJXWQAAT2Ke



This is the fundamental problem, when western society moved away from a production economy to a financialization world. People are trapped in a game where they will always lose because governments are overspending and central banks are printing your money away to pay that debt while you're stuck with disposable income to subscribe netflix, buy Switch 2 but unable to buy assets.

Yea this has nothing to do with the west dropping the gold standard a few years before 1980 ;).
 
Over 35 years of Democrats saying we need to have reciprocal tariffs, including Nancy Pelosi, Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama, and Donald Trump. What happened? NAFTA followed by our nation's only two major political parties being captured by wall street and corporate interests. That's what happened.

 
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It's because Vietnam, a poor country that doesn't buy any of our stuff (so their tariffs are essentially irrelevant) but where Nike shoes are actually made, is reportedly making a deal with Trump to drop tariffs. It's the opposite of what the looney tunes are saying is going to happen-- you can only reshore manufacturing jobs by making goods from elsewhere so expensive that manufacturing in a high wage country like ours becomes competitive. Are you all just 12 years old, is that the problem?

The end goal is not to just bring back manufacturing jobs, it's also to get countries to drop whatever trade barriers/tariffs they have implemented against American goods/services.

When countries around the world implement tariffs everything is fine, but when the US does it it's the end of the world? It's ridiculous.
 
Do importants work differently in the US? Let's say Nintendo asks $300 from retailers and vendors. These retailers then have to pay shipping and customs and sell them at $470. Now if import customs are so high they have too small margins, they have to increase the selling price.

Isn't that an issue the retailers have to deal with and not Nintendo? Do retailers expect Nintendo to lower the prices for them to make up for higher customs? If not, what exactly is Nintendo supposed to be doing?
 
Well. I'd say Nintendo was successful in changing the ONLY talking point that was surrounding the Switch2: "Why are you charging so much for a game that will sell MILLIONS during the life-cycle of the system?"

You know that's why they did this, right?
 
Do importants work differently in the US? Let's say Nintendo asks $300 from retailers and vendors. These retailers then have to pay shipping and customs and sell them at $470. Now if import customs are so high they have too small margins, they have to increase the selling price.

Isn't that an issue the retailers have to deal with and not Nintendo? Do retailers expect Nintendo to lower the prices for them to make up for higher customs? If not, what exactly is Nintendo supposed to be doing?
That's a very simplified version of international trade and it'd be like that if Nintendo wasn't distributing herself. For example in the early 90s Nintendo was distributed in Spain by a company called ERBE. In that case that worked like that since Nintendo probably didn't want to risk a exchange currency loss due to the weak third world currency we had before the Euro (see Resident Evil 4 for reference). Nowadays a subsidiary of Nintendo Japan distributed in all major markets, so any change in currency or tariffs affects their benefits. The retailers are all buying that local subsidiary of Nintendo.

Long story short: if The New Dorito Pope keeps the 60% tariff over Vietnam it's going to be… Vietnam III (Vietnam II was Mavelon Creek).
 
Trump is mad about the trade deficit between the US and Europe: Europe is selling more goods to the US than vice versa. But here's the fucked up thing: that's primarily because a shit ton of US companies don't manufacture goods in the US but in low wage countries in Asia whereas European companies are more likely to manufacture products in Europe.

If Europeans do nothing else buy Intel & AMD processors, Nvidia graphics cards, Seagate hard drives, Motorola modems, Apple phones, tablets and computers, MS Xboxes, Levi jeans, Nike shoes, drink Coca Cola, McDonalds Big Macs , Starbucks coffee, Northface jackets and Ralph Lauren polo shirts, Tesla electric cars, etc etc. none of these purchases will have an effect on the US/EU trade deficit because not a single thing on that list was "Made in the US".

Even if the EU lowered ALL tariffs to 0% for US high tech products. it wouldn't lower the US/EU trade deficit as long as US companies continue to make more money manufacturing products in poor Asian/S-American countries than at home (while at the same time using every tax loophole known to man to keep as much of their profits as they possibly can).

The irony is that Trump thinks his Liberation Day announcements are starting to have an effect now that both Vietnam and Cambodia want to bring down tariffs to 0%. Well, the people in those countries are piss-poor, that's the reason why companies like Nike like to produce everything there. The people in these countries will remain unable to afford "made in the US" products (so no effect on the trade deficit) and without US tariffs against their cheap as hell products not a single US company will have to move manufacturing back to the US. So what's the fucking point of "Liberation Day"?
Not just that, the EU has a trade deficit with America when it comes to services. Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Apple, Facebook, and many others are popular in the EU and used everywhere. When you factor in goods and services the difference in trade between the EU and the USA is tiny, approximately 3%.
 
Trump is mad about the trade deficit between the US and Europe: Europe is selling more goods to the US than vice versa. But here's the fucked up thing: that's primarily because a shit ton of US companies don't manufacture goods in the US but in low wage countries in Asia whereas European companies are more likely to manufacture products in Europe.

If Europeans do nothing else buy Intel & AMD processors, Nvidia graphics cards, Seagate hard drives, Motorola modems, Apple phones, tablets and computers, MS Xboxes, Levi jeans, Nike shoes, drink Coca Cola, McDonalds Big Macs , Starbucks coffee, Northface jackets and Ralph Lauren polo shirts, Tesla electric cars, etc etc. none of these purchases will have an effect on the US/EU trade deficit because not a single thing on that list was "Made in the US".

Even if the EU lowered ALL tariffs to 0% for US high tech products. it wouldn't lower the US/EU trade deficit as long as US companies continue to make more money manufacturing products in poor Asian/S-American countries than at home (while at the same time using every tax loophole known to man to keep as much of their profits as they possibly can).

The irony is that Trump thinks his Liberation Day announcements are starting to have an effect now that both Vietnam and Cambodia want to bring down tariffs to 0%. Well, the people in those countries are piss-poor, that's the reason why companies like Nike like to produce everything there. The people in these countries will remain unable to afford "made in the US" products (so no effect on the trade deficit) and without US tariffs against their cheap as hell products not a single US company will have to move manufacturing back to the US. So what's the fucking point of "Liberation Day"?

USA makes everything abroad, Orange man MAD that Europe buys USA producs from abroad. Orange man winning so much now!
 
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