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NPD Sales Results for January 2014 [Up3: PS4/XB1 #1/#2 best selling; Poke/SM3DW/ALBW]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Ah, my bad. I should had know you were asking for NPD :lol
Wow. Goodluck with 3DS matching that number. It might be even lucky to reach 3 million this year if this January is any indication.
It's not absurd. It's business. When companies do well, they become complacent and greedy. When they fall on hard times, they become forward thinking and seemingly consumer friendly. It's the cycle of rich corporations. Compare Sony during the Playstation 1 & 2 cycles when they were unrivaled, to the Playstation 3, and then compare all of that to the Playstation 4 after they were humbled. Compare Nintendo's jump from the Wii/DS to the Wii U/3DS. Compare Microsoft during the Xbox's life cycle and the Xbox 360's lifecycle, and then compare that to now. You know how we shift back and forth between hating and loving Publishers like EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Capcom, etc.? This cycle is a big reason why.
Companies are in business for money. End of story. They're not your friend, and regardless of what they say, they don't give two shits about the well being of the industry outside of their own walls. And if left unchecked, they will exploit and short cut all avenues possible. It's a fact of life.
Aquamarine
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Sammy Samusu
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Vita: <17K
An ArtPop sized mess.
And that software chart, ugh, always the same stuff.
An ArtPop sized mess.
And that software chart, ugh, always the same stuff.
Don't worry about the Vita. Sony fully expects terrible performance for the Vita in the US.
Devilgunman
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Ninja Scooter
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I really don't see how the Wii U makes it out of 2014. I mean, I know we have this preconceived notion of video game console life cycles, but it is selling like GARBAGE. Nobody is buying it. Third parties are gone, and the few that remain will likely leave by the end of the year. It's dead.
You are a saint. Thanks for the numbers.
I can't say I'm really surprised. These numbers match the trends I've been speaking to from the numbers here in Best Buy sales/inventory. We have had the demand for the X1 seemingly plummet, and we can't keep the ps4 in stock. The anecdotal evidence some claim that it's easy to find a ps4 are effectively outliers. Even stores in Maine, with low population density and higher impact from weather, are selling out within the course of two days maximum, and stores near the mass border sell out within hours.
I'm wondering if Microsoft is in some kind of negotiations with our people to offer a deal like with Wal-Mart one. Lord knows those boxes aren't small, and when the local DC still is sitting on over 5500 of them... I can't imagine management is all that thrilled with the overstock situation. And even if we do start a sale like that, people haven't been on the fence about it, I don't think a single game free is going to suddenly reverse the public perception we're seeing in stores.
We'll see what happens, I guess!
I'm wondering if Microsoft is in some kind of negotiations with our people to offer a deal like with Wal-Mart one. Lord knows those boxes aren't small, and when the local DC still is sitting on over 5500 of them... I can't imagine management is all that thrilled with the overstock situation. And even if we do start a sale like that, people haven't been on the fence about it, I don't think a single game free is going to suddenly reverse the public perception we're seeing in stores.
We'll see what happens, I guess!
QuantumZebra
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Kabuki Quantum Lover
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Petrae
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If Nintendo was to give WiiU the Old Yeller treatment, what then? The company winds up alienating consumers who spent $250+ within the console's 18-24 month lifespan and trusted Nintendo to produce. Nintendo also then forces its hand by accelerating post-WiiU console strategy, or limits revenue by losing a pillar of its business model.
Nintendo has to keep taking its medicine here and keep trying to make the best of a tough situation. There is still revenue to be made with WiiU, at the very least from the sector if consumers who bought in, and from new platform owners who buy in for Mario Kart 8 and/or Smash Bros.
Blowing up the WiiU, in my humble opinion, just isn't the best course of action. However, if retailers choose not to carry it because of flagging sales? Then the situation changes... and gets very difficult for Nintendo. Losing retailer support would be a tougher obstacle to overcome than poor third-party relations.
Hella happy for the PS4, but I'm skeered to find out Wii U
Stood and contemplated buying a Wii U this past Tuesday. Ended up not getting it though. I left the store with only one purchase. I needed a second X1 controller to play some games with the wife.
I was close to +1'ing Nintendo...so close.
That and buying a PS4+game would still be cheaper than buying an X1+free game.
I'm not arguing that Xbone or anything else should be artificially prompt up, just for the sake of some competition, I'm perfectly fine with Xbone failing because Sony offered a better product than MS. I'm arguing against the notion that a single console market would be so much more beneficial and "help the industry to flourish".
Having 80% of the market with the entire industry focusing ONLY on your product is nearly the same as having a monopoly.
Just FYI, Time Warner Cable is not my only option, I can still get myself DSL or dial-up internet if I wanted to, but that would be fucking stupid, just like getting anything other than the PS4 when the entire industry rotating around it.
As for the PS3, MS only managed to get ahead because it dumped a hillside worth of money on Xbox and Xbox 360, Xbox was nothing but a pure loss for MS, and Xbox 360 had to be rushed out the door to beat PS3 and also had to make up for the losses of the OG Xbox, so it's pretty safe to say that if Sony didn't majorly fuck up the PS3's design, which made it incredibly hard to work with for the devs, which made a lot of the multiplats worse, and made it extremely expensive, MS might have dropped out market and we would again be stuck only with what Sony has to offer.
So you just assume that like any company will just jump in to the market every 5-10 years?
How many serious competitors did we actually have in the entire history of gaming? SEGA, Nintento, Sony, MS, who else?
You only WANT believe that it's entirely off base!
I can also come up with 6 bullshit reasons why having TimeWarner as the only Internet provider in my area is a great thing, in fact I'm pretty sure that they had to come up with some bullshit reasoning for why they are great when they actually got the government subsidy in the first place, but that doesn't make them true, or void of any negative repercussions.
My son actually called me downstairs to tell me "look dad, I'm playing lego undercover again!" to show me the WiiU was turned on (lasted 15 mins, went back to Lego Marvel on the PS4)
Everything about the WiiU is a trainwreck to me, I'm just waiting on a enevitable trade in console promo at EB Games where I will trade in the WiiU and PS3 to put towards a XB1
1st Course
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I found some numbers Spiegel.
NPD Group's 2007 US game industry sales as of the end of Dec 2007:
Nintendo DS: 17.65 million LTD
PlayStation Portable: 10.47 million LTD
3DS US LTD as of the end of Dec 2013 = 11.5 million LTD
NDS US launch (November 21, 2004) > December 31, 2007 = 1136 days [4 holidays]
PSP US launch (March 24, 2005) > December 31, 2007 = 1013 days [3 holidays]
3DS US launch (March 27, 2011) > December 31, 2013 = 1011 days [3 holidays]
Honestly 3DS US sales are not really that bad, it's PAL sales that are holding the system back.
NPD Group's 2007 US game industry sales as of the end of Dec 2007:
Nintendo DS: 17.65 million LTD
PlayStation Portable: 10.47 million LTD
3DS US LTD as of the end of Dec 2013 = 11.5 million LTD
NDS US launch (November 21, 2004) > December 31, 2007 = 1136 days [4 holidays]
PSP US launch (March 24, 2005) > December 31, 2007 = 1013 days [3 holidays]
3DS US launch (March 27, 2011) > December 31, 2013 = 1011 days [3 holidays]
Honestly 3DS US sales are not really that bad, it's PAL sales that are holding the system back.
ethomaz
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Ohhhhh that's really put in perspective how good PS4 is doing... January 2007 was a 5 weeks month... January 2014 a 4 weeks one... and January 2001???
In any case PS4 is doing far way better than previous generations.
bgassassin
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So selling an est.14M fewer in a similar time span (Xbox had fewer years) isn't a substantial case? Why not?
My guess would be buried away in the ToS agreement is some statement about the Xbone sending anonymised usage information back to MS (much the same way Windows & various other OS and cloud products like Drive do). I'm pretty sure the same thing happens with the PS4, and even the last gen - which is possibly how Sony got wrong-footed over the MP3 issue since their usage information across the vast bulk of PS3 owners showed low utilisation.
ultratruman
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Remove Kinect, slash the price and bundle Titanfall with every console.
Come on Microsoft, fight back!
Come on Microsoft, fight back!
Even if Microsoft AND Nintendo get out of the business of home console there will never be a monopoly. A PS4 alone in that space would have to compete with Steam Machines, proper PCs and Tablets and Smartphones. Truth is that in todays day and age the market is not limited to Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony, so there will never be a monopoly. Customers today are consuming their video game entertainment from a myriad of sources.
Thanks.
So after January 3DS is only ~0.9M ahead.
Yeah, I can't see 3DS having a bigger LTD in the US at the end of its life.
If Sony would have shipped 500k units to NA during January, we could have been looking at 400-500k PS4 sales vs 143k XBO sales... heck, XBO might have been lower because people might have purchased PS4 instead of they could have found one.
Just think about that... and what the reaction would have been.
Just think about that... and what the reaction would have been.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Whatever "monopoly" Sony might end up with won't be that bad as it will last at most for 5 years and will come under fire from Steambox and whatever Amazon has cooking in far less time. I like the idea of Microsoft and Nintendo having to go back to the drawing board like Sony had to do after the PS3-fiasco. It will create a better market in the long run of having a dud every now and then.
Ninja Scooter
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Alienating what consumers? The few that have actually bought a Wii u? Who are probably all fairly die hard Nintendo fans anyway? Besides, it's not like Nintendo has to come out and issue a press release saying it's dead and make a show out of it, but the writing is on the wall. Behind the scenes they'd be smart to start reevaluating games they have in development and decide if they are worth continuing on the Wii U or if they should be either put on hold or moved to whatever Nintendo decides the Wii U's successor is going to be. Especially when you consider that one of their biggest flaws is software output. If they are going to release another console they need all the software they can get so that they don't repeat the same mistakes that 3DS and Wii U suffered from.
ethomaz
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Thanks.5
So far...
PS2 (January 2001): ~50k avg. per week
PS3 (January 2007): ~50k avg. per week
PS4 (January 2014): ~68k avg. per week
PS4 sold 18k more units per week in the first January than PS2 and PS3.
Magicpaint
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It absolutely won't. sub-100k numbers in January is downright depressing. Isn't this back to pre-pricecut levels? There's really not much Nintendo can do to offset the slide down. It's reaching for irrelevancy now which must be alarming, considering Nintendo is relying on the thing for profitability this year.
You can't make a valid comparison between a fixed utility like cabled internet and a consumer product, they operate in two completely different ways.
Your argument about TW actually carries more weight with anyone who thinks that utilities generally - be it water, enegy or informational infrastructure - are poor value to consumer when owned by (technically) nationally competing but local monopoly players.
Graphics Horse
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ultratruman
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Based on what Iwata said earlier this month? don't count on it.
They're going to double down on the Gamepad instead.
Butts-a-plenty
Banned
don't think they want to lose more money.
Souldestroyer Reborn
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I don't think that anyone is surprised about the results of those numbers i.e. Sony 1st, MS 2nd.
However i think its too early to be drawing comparisons yet. I'm more interested in WW 1y sales/next Januarys WW sales data.
However i think its too early to be drawing comparisons yet. I'm more interested in WW 1y sales/next Januarys WW sales data.
Honestly, they're ALL in trouble somewhat. I'm sure PS4 will do alright, but MS/Nintendo are in trouble. Nintendo will stay in the game as long as they can, but who knows about MS. Nintendo needs a complete revamp in the console space, The Xbox brand has been tarnished and it's starting to show.
Iwata said "we are not going to lower the price" a couple of weeks before the price drop, so I'm not going to trust Iwata on this.
If they weren't so stubborn with the gamepad, they could somehow manage to get rid of it and then with a price drop they would at least be losing less money.
Aquamarine
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Yes.
PS4:
1138K November
863K December
271K January
=
2272K 3-month total
Xbox One:
909K November
908K December
141K January
=
1958K 3-month total
Wii U:
425K first November
463K first December
57K first January
223K second November
481K second December
49K second January
Between 2145K and 2155K LTD
Dirtyshubb
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The situation from PS2-PS3 and PS3-PS4 is totally different!
As much as I personally see the PS3 as a success and have had it since very near launch I know that financially it was a huge disaster for many years for Sony and im very sure they are aware of it too.
I honestly don’t see the same situation happening ever again, well at least not until the whole management team are replaced over the years. Sony saw first hand what being proud and arrogant does to you as a console maker and considering their financial situation they will never want that to happen again.
I personally see that the PS4 will show them that their approach of being gamer friendly and priced correctly, with a fantastic pr campaign is what works and they will follow that formula until they decide to go the streaming route only through PSNow (Probably PS6 being a streaming box).
If Sony were to take the majority of the sales this Gen it would be good for everyone, even Nintendo and Microsoft who (as long as they can hold out this gen) will hopefully have learnt a lot from Sony’s success and emulate what made it to benefit themselves and us. As others have said, sales parity isn’t what competition is, its having winners and losers who adapt to changes in the market and try to do what’s best for everyone, not just their balance sheet.
Steve Youngblood
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Haha, yeah. As highlighted by that Direct yesterday that was packed full of games that are clearly taking full advantage of the GamePad.
Mangavox. Atari. Mattel. Coleco. NEC. SNK. Panasonic. Doubtless I'm forgetting some non-trivial players, but the list is a lot longer than you'd suspect. That's not even including recent players like Apple and Google and likely entrants like Amazon.
Aquamarine is a god among us. I thought about finding these numbers and she responds immediately
Aquamarine
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Nintendo quietly cancelled it after 8 months and it received no more first-party support after March 1996. Interestingly enough, Nintendo advertised two games for Virtual Boy at E3 1996, but they never materialised.
Virtual Boy's LIFETIME NPD sales are only 496K...so Wii U's LTD of like ~2150K has already sold more than 4x what Virtual Boy ever managed.
Ok, then
Xbox One tie-ratio: 2.7
PS4 tie-ratio: 2.1
Total software sold Xbox One - 5,286,600
Total software sold PS4 - 4,771,200
The Xbox One total should exclude digital sales, since, using the tie-ratio provided back in December for retail + digital games (2.9) and the sales up to then (1,817,000), we had 5,269,300 games sold overall back then.
But we also know retail only sales
This means
January Xbox One software - 486,000
January PS4 software . 571,200