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[Gaiff]

Almost everything barring the 5090 will be seeing some of the weakest generational uplifts we've ever witnessed. This was all done to justify the $2000 5090. If the 5080 had actually gotten a significant increase in core count, it would have put it far too close to the 5090 for the $2000 price tag to make sense. 50% faster for 100% more money compared to the 5080 is a bad deal, but you still get the fastest GPU by far. If the 5080 had been faster than the 4090 like it should have, then you'd be looking at a 5090 that's around 20% faster and how do you then justify $2000?

This is NVIDIA continuing the trend of gutting lower tier cards to prop up higher ones. It started at the lower end of the product stack with the RTX 3060 only offering around a 20% improvement over the RTX 2060. This continued with the RTX 4060 being around 15% faster than the 3060. The RTX 4070 suffered the same, offering a modest 20% uplift over the 3070 and it seems it will be the same story with the 5070.

The only cards that have seen substantial improvements every generation have been the absolute top cards. Everything else is sacrificed at the altar to justify their existence. Traditionally, mid-range cards in the x60 and x70 have offered the best bang for your buck, but they're starting to be just as bad as higher products in terms of value which shouldn't happen. There should be a 16K core 20GB 5080 that exceeds the 4090 for $1000, but as said before, it would simply kill the 5090 and NVIDIA is fine offering a pittance for the budget conscious. They don't care about them.

 

[GymWolf]

People said that this stuff is gonna fly off the shelf and there is gonna be shortage but i have my doubts, they really fucked up by making upgrades retroactive for older series of gpus (better for us).

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

People said that this stuff is gonna fly off the shelf and there is gonna be shortage but i have my doubts, they really fucked up by making upgrades retroactive for older series of gpus (better for us).

Artificial shortages to create FOMO

 

[PeteBull]

They will release super/ti models in a year with much better price/perf just like with 20xx and 40xx series, for now simply either buy 5090 or hold out bit longer if u are budget gamer like most of us...

 

[Celcius]

 

[Spiral1407]

The 3060 at least had 12GB of VRAM to help it claw back that edge. But either way, this is why competition is important.

 

[Hydroxy]

Can you really blame Nvidia for this? Its simply lack of competition. AMD can and should do better but they don't. Look at their recent 9070XT/9070 fiasco.

 

[GymWolf]

Artificial shortages to create FOMO

Not sure if people are gonna fall for it.

Framegen as your best exclusive upgrade is WEAK.

 

[Kilau]

Artificial shortages to create FOMO

Glad we are all immune to that stuff here.

 

[T4keD0wN]

These generational improvements getting funny at this point:
1080 was matched by 2060 (60 class matching an 80 class is uncomprehensible with Nvidia of today, but this is just 6 years ago)

2080ti was matched by 3070

3090ti was nicely outdone by 4080

5080 is just sad by comparison

 

[Bernoulli]

 

[hinch7]

Even with the same node. They should've done better. The core count increase is laughable in GB203. And the price just adds to insult to injury.

Should've just called these a 4000 refresh and be done with it

 

[diffusionx]

Didn't OP claim that 5080 would be 40% faster than the 4080?

 

[DeepEnigma]

"The more you buy, the more (money) we make." - Jacket Man

 

[Jinzo Prime]

We need a new contender, the situation is grim.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

With Moore's Law dead, getting better performance is only going to get harder and harder without jacking up prices.

Starting with N2, it's deader than dead.

 

[Gaiff]

Didn't OP claim that 5080 would be 40% faster than the 4080?

No, I said 20-40% faster with 40% being extreme outliers and 20% being the norm. Even this was too enthusiastic because the norm is actually fucking 14% at 4K. This has to be the weakest x80 uplift ever seen.

 

[Magic Carpet]

People said that this stuff is gonna fly off the shelf and there is gonna be shortage but i have my doubts, they really fucked up by making upgrades retroactive for older series of gpus (better for us).

It does seem like they almost had to make the older cards retroactive to keep people from considering AMD.
Now I can just keep my RTX 4070 and not waste my money on AMD. But the 5000 cards are not looking so good anymore.

 

[peish]

5080 is still the best $999 GPU.
Best RT/$

Nvidia has the cadence upgraders lock down into their lineup.

Suck it TS.

 

[hinch7]

I honestly think Nvidia intentionally made these GPU's so bad that nobody but the extreme enthusiast would want to buy them. More capacity and money from data centres and Ai.

Up until Deepseek ruined the party.

 

[Represent.]

A $2000 GPU that cant play GTA6 at launch, lmao

 

[Darchaos]

The sad thing is people will buy thoose cards, the most even sad is most off them probably cant even afford them.

 

[SmokedMeat]

They pulled this shit with the 40XX series as well, and most people didn't go for it.

Their other cards rely on A.I software, and aren't all that powerful for the money.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Only reason I might get a 5090 is so I can sell my 4090 for the best possible price. But yeah this generation sucks, basically no increase in perf/$ or perf/watt.

Silver lining is that even the previous gen cards are getting all the DLSS upgrades except for multi-frame gen (which basically is pointless unless you have a high refresh rate monitor and you can't even hit 1/3 the max refresh rate without frame gen)

 

[BennyBlanco]

I see these as cards for people upgrading from 20 and 30 series or older. Going from a 3080 to a 5080 would be huge. Leather jacket man really has a pair of balls though, saying the 5070ti is on par with a 4090 was absurd.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

People said that this stuff is gonna fly off the shelf and there is gonna be shortage but i have my doubts, they really fucked up by making upgrades retroactive for older series of gpus (better for us).

Unfortunately I think they will still sell quite well because that audience is nearing Nintendo levels of fanboyism.

Seeing all of these benchmarks is so disappointing despite there having been absolutely no chance I was interested in the first place. There should really be more than 10% uplift without resorting to fake frames. I miss when new GPUs beat the previous gen by a tier (xx70 beating previous gen xx80 for example).

 

[Zacfoldor]

It seems like they always want to short the vram so you have to upgrade again in the near future. That's their trick. You ain't future proofing shit. Especially when improvements are no longer incremental but rather bespoke hardware additions outside of pure raster performance.

Giving you the bare minimum acceptable vram makes sure that your GPU isn't future proof.

5080 has only 16gb of vram. They will not allow you to future proof they want you upgrading these cards each cycle. You wonder why people like console gaming.

 

[RoboFu]

People said that this stuff is gonna fly off the shelf and there is gonna be shortage but i have my doubts, they really fucked up by making upgrades retroactive for older series of gpus (better for us).

it will because they didnt make a lot.

 

[Vlodril]

Can you really blame Nvidia for this? Its simply lack of competition. AMD can and should do better but they don't. Look at their recent 9070XT/9070 fiasco.

Yes. Yes i can.

 

[Gaiff]

Artificial shortages to create FOMO

Will it? Even OverHeat is second guessing buying a 5090, so I'm thinking the most hardcore enthusiasts won't even want to touch it.

 

[zeroluck]

Nvidia price their shit so there is no room for disruption, 750mm2 of silicon is like a Threadripper which costs $5000, without all ram and stuffs, it is kinda a steal if you think about it.

 

[Puscifer]

Not sure if people are gonna fall for it.

Framegen as your best exclusive upgrade is WEAK.

A fucking software update lol


FYI, not sure if anyone saw it but someone is working on enabling multigen frames on a 4080. There's a video on YouTube

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Will it? Even OverHeat is second guessing buying a 5090, so I'm thinking the most hardcore enthusiasts won't even want to touch it.

As am I second guessing it as well

May ride out this gen with this 4080s or buy one of the 4090 prebuilts that are left over

 

[HogIsland]

Praying to god Intel comes through with a B780 for < $500.

 

[Schmendrick]

unfortunately my 3080 is hopeless with my monitor and I will still have to buy a 5080. It is the best performance I can get without putting a friggin heater in my case.... (yep I draw the line at the power consumption rather than the price for the 5090)

 

[Minsc]

Meanwhile, curious about if the SOC STRIX devices will outperform laptop 5080s then, for a fraction of the price. They already show ~20-50% improvements over the laptop 4070, which is a pretty big feat for integrated graphics on it's own, beating dedicated GPUs.

And that's an integrated graphics chip, versus an actual dedicated GPU card that eats much more power.

 

[GymWolf]

A fucking software update lol


FYI, not sure if anyone saw it but someone is working on enabling multigen frames on a 4080. There's a video on YouTube

Honest to buddha, i don't even wanna use it even if they unlock it for my 4080.

Dlls perf looking better than old quality mode should have been the real hook but now everyone can do it.

 

[MadchesterManc]

Come on now, The 5070 offers 4090 performance for Christ's sake. You know you'll buy one.

 

[GHG]

People said that this stuff is gonna fly off the shelf and there is gonna be shortage but i have my doubts, they really fucked up by making upgrades retroactive for older series of gpus (better for us).

Nvidia seem to be doing all the scalping themselves this time. The supply constraints are intentional.

 

[Garibaldi]

Yeah, after being massively unimpressed with the 50 series, I'm delaying my planned rebuild from late summer to next year. I'll reassess if/when the super/ti variants arrive. I'd prefer a 5080ti with 24GB to replace the 3090, but we'll see.

This transformer model DLSS allowing us to further reduce initial render resolution has given my machine a much needed perf uplift for basically the same visual quality to my aging eyes. If they also release a FG solution to the 30 series I'll be golden for another year to 18 months.

 

[Gaiff]

As am I second guessing it as well

May ride out this gen with this 4080s or buy one of the 4090 prebuilts that are left over

Don't buy it. Come with us and fight the good fight.

 

[newtypepilot]

nvidia fanboys will buy anything. That's why.

 

[M0G]

I see these as cards for people upgrading from 20 and 30 series or older. Going from a 3080 to a 5080 would be huge. Leather jacket man really has a pair of balls though, saying the 5070ti is on par with a 4090 was absurd.

This is my long overdue upgrade year. I'm expecting big things from swapping my 2080ti for a 5090ti. Just watching this early shit show with interest.

 

[PeteBull]

Just small correction, nvidia's rtx 5090 will be very likely sold at 3k usd+ streetprice in the US, outside the US many non founders cards will likely start close to 4k usd, ofc everything will still fly of the shelves, at that pricepoint there is no price sensitive customers, all u need is card to be BiS which 5090 is w/o any doubt

 

[Allandor]

I really don't know what you all have. Nvidia communicated that they will take that route, they tested your wallets with the last gen, and according to 4090 sales they made the right decision and now they do it again. Nobody else to blame than their loyal customers.

Don't buy it and they won't do that shorty tactics.

And by the way, games are not more fun because of shiny graphicss, games are fun because of the concepts. People these days totally forgot that.

Also, the performance uplift since the 3000 gen is tiny. If those old GPUs had more memory they could still deliver really good performance. Instead we just got minor increases in performance and not even on the same price point but for more money.

But I must say, I find it really strange that they don't wanted $4k for the 5090. The guys who buy this can also afford that without a problem.

 

[GHG]

As am I second guessing it as well

May ride out this gen with this 4080s or buy one of the 4090 prebuilts that are left over

These are my two systems:

I scored 24 345 in Time Spy

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

I scored 27 781 in Time Spy

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

Had the 4080 since launch and got the 4090 about 3 months after launch.

I'm gucci, will wait for the 6xxx series.

 

[Skifi28]

B..B..But according to the official slides the 5070 was faster than the 4090!!1

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

HUB did a really great deep dive into multi frame generation. Here's their recommendation when it makes sense to use frame gen:

So yeah if you have a 250 Hz+ monitor, and you're running a game at 100+ FPS, and that's still not smooth enough for you, and you're willing to tolerate visual artifacts and higher latency in exchange for higher output framerate…. Then multi frame generation is a really killer feature.

 

[DeepEnigma]

$2K for 30% +/- peak raster gains.

 

[RickSanchez]

These generational improvements getting funny at this point:
1080 was matched by 2060 (60 class matching an 80 class is uncomprehensible with Nvidia of today, but this is just 6 years ago)

2080ti was matched by 3070

3090ti was nicely outdone by 4080

5080 is just sad by comparison

Laughs in 4090

May my 4090 last for several more years.