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[Mister Wolf]

Obsidian's next big RPG Avowed is looking to Vermintide's 'masterclass in having a sense of hitting and impact' to make its first-person sword-swinging feel weighty

FPS: First Person Swordster.

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Pretty candid to just say outright they're looking to another game for inspiration. Getting the feel of first-person melee combat right is very challenging.

An example of Vermintides melee combat:



One thing I've noticed is they don't just make every weapon pass through the enemy when it lands.

 

[Pakoe]

The trailer looked kinda shitty tho, looked like it lacked weight.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Masterclass.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Haven’t played Vermintide but Darktide is indeed masterclass.

Not expecting Avowed to reach that level though.

I mean, Darktide is a good game, but its all combat, good enough to sink 100s of hours. Its build for that.

 

[March Climber]

Masterclass.

3rd person camera won’t save a game’s animations from being undercooked or jank.

People don’t complain as much about first person combat when it’s done right. They only complain more when it’s done wrong.

 

[Heisenberg007]

3rd person camera won’t save a game’s animations from being undercooked or jank.

People don’t complain as much about first person combat when it’s done right. They only complain more when it’s done wrong.

Yep. Not in full agreement with the caption.

 

[N0S]

I like how frozen enemies shatter with one swing

 

[bender]

Bethesda also said they hired designers from the COD for FO4 shooting mechanics. Easier said than done and all that.

 

[Gandih42]

They should look to Dark Messiah for the ultimate 1st person combat experience.

Ice patch on the ground to make enemies slide off the edge to their doom baby.

Personally I think the footage looks fine so far. 1st person melee combat doesn't sell itself very well on trailers in general. And it has a distinctly different flavor than 3rd person melee combat, so I don't really think that point is all that interesting.

But hopefully it'll actually feel better then it looks in the footage. If they manage to have satisfying combat along with their trademark Obsidian RPG bonanza, it'll surely be great. And probably still great with mediocre combat.

Either way I'm totally ready to port beg.

 

[GymWolf]

They should look at darktide that is even better.

 

[HRK69]

I'm not seeing it

 

[IDKFA]

lol. Sorry, but from what I've seen the combat is a long way off form Vermintide level of brutally and weight.

 

[Wildebeest]

I'm sure it is going to be some exciting visceral action combat with a sub 20fps frame rate because they didn't optimise like in Outer Worlds.

 

[Laptop1991]

Must still be working on it then, the combat in the alpha trailer didn't look good to me.

 

[kyussman]

My favorite first person melee ever was in Dying Light.....it must be hard to get the sense of weight behind the swings and impacts because few games get it right.

 

[SmokedMeat]

While they’re at it they need to check out Dead Island 2. The melee is so good it’s taking me forever to complete objectives because I keep fighting everyone.

 

[Braag]

It looks better than Skyrim, that's for sure. I mean that game's combat feels super floaty, which is why one of the most popular combat mods for Skyrim is the one that adds hit stop and makes enemies slightly flinch when they're hit, small changes like that make a world of difference.
But Avowed could feel even more weighty imo.

 

[March Climber]

It looks better than Skyrim, that's for sure. I mean that game's combat feels super floaty, which is why one of the most popular combat mods for Skyrim is the one that adds hit stop and makes enemies slightly flinch when they're hit, small changes like that make a world of difference.
But Avowed could feel even more weighty imo.

At a bare minimum I would hope it looks better than a game from 13 years ago.

 

[adamsapple]

The B-roll shown at the podcast they did after the Direct did a better job showing off the game play than the Direct itself.

 

[Heisenberg007]

The B-roll shown at the podcast they did after the Direct did a better job showing off the game play than the Direct itself.

Question: Around 00:03, the player does a magic attack. His right-hand carries a sword, and his left-hand carries a shield. How does he shoot the magic attack when both his hands are busy?

Is that coming from his dick?

 

[adamsapple]

Question: Around 00:03, the player does a magic attack. His right-hand carries a sword, and his left-hand carries a shield. How does he shoot the magic attack when both his hands are busy?

Is that coming from his dick?

There's a helping NPC behind the player, it's probably his attack.

 

[DaciaJC]

It's fine to use other games for inspiration - actually gleaning the important lessons from them is the hard part. For example, Vermintide doesn't actually use hitstop in its melee combat. Rather, it utilizes a subtle camera shift effect to sell the momentum of attacks and hits; combined with fluid first-person animations, varied enemy hit responses, a cleave mechanic that affects how slashing vs. blunt weapons impact enemies, excellent sound effects, and of course gratuitous blood and gore, it makes for some really satisfying first-person combat.

Unfortunately, I'm not really seeing any of that in this preview. But release is still some ways off, hopefully they understand what elements really need fleshing out before then.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Well, that's some great news IMO. I didn't really see it in what was shown already, but there's time to improve it. I'd like to thin that by the time it launches it'll deliver to some degree. Here's to hoping!

 

[delfrickintree]

Question: Around 00:03, the player does a magic attack. His right-hand carries a sword, and his left-hand carries a shield. How does he shoot the magic attack when both his hands are busy?

Is that coming from his dick?

Hey good job you finally got me interested in this game! Im gunna blast some monsters with my big swingin magic wand

 

[Heisenberg007]

Hey good job you finally got me interested in this game! Im gunna blast some monsters with my big swingin magic wand

Right?! I'm in day one if I can shoot magic lasers with a flappy dick.

Bamboozle them with a cancellable fake sword attack and blast them with a dick magic shot = 20 million copies sold and 97 Metacritic!!

 

[Varteras]

There's a helping NPC behind the player, it's probably his attack.

NO! Shut the FUCK UP! It's DICK MAGIC! Do not... do not ruin this for me, alright??

 

[adamsapple]

NO! Shut the FUCK UP! It's DICK MAGIC! Do not... do not ruin this for me, alright??

 

[Heisenberg007]

NO! Shut the FUCK UP! It's DICK MAGIC! Do not... do not ruin this for me, alright??

The blue NPC doesn't seem like a magic caster anyway.

It's 100% a dick shot, and dick shots are canon now. A-Wowed!

 

[outsida]

Haven’t played Vermintide but Darktide is indeed masterclass.

Not expecting Avowed to reach that level though.

I mean, Darktide is a good game, but its all combat, good enough to sink 100s of hours. Its build for that.

I was coming to say something about Darktide as well. Melee feels combat really good in that game.

 

[delfrickintree]

The blue NPC doesn't seem like a magic caster anyway.

It's 100% a dick shot, and dick shots are canon now. A-Wowed!

I just made a phone call to the devs and they took a bit of convincing, but its now a canon dick laser cannon

 

[Mister Wolf]

The blue NPC doesn't seem like a magic caster anyway.

It's 100% a dick shot, and dick shots are canon now. A-Wowed!

 

[Hudo]

You only have to look at one game to get first-person melee combat perfection: