PAL Charts - Week 51, 2012

Damn, just saw a TV ad where Sainsbury's are offering 12gb PS3's for £120.

Boxing Day only, but still that's a ridiculously low price.
 
Certainly, the latest on MCV which has posted weekly articles on the figures as well as citing a 29% yearly decline:

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/uk-r...-last-big-sales-week-before-christmas/0108706

My mistake for not saying retail in my previous post if that caused a mix up.

I disagree that the drop constitutes a decline that signals a deeper problem but is rather a market correction after 2 years of hyper inflated demand from a very fickle but incredibly large group - casuals.

people who had never gamed were suddenly going out in their droves to buy the latest rock band, the latest guitar hero and the wii / ds. those people have now moved on to greener pastures and with their departure, we're seeing the market correcting itself to how it would have looked if the casuals hadn't inflated the market as much they did during the peripheral and peak nintendo era.

this is why claims of a market decline are misguided, people who claim it's in decline are choosing to ignore the effect casuals had on the market as a whole. it's not exclusive to the uk either, market corrections will be happening in other regions, maybe not to same degree or as fast, but the correction is happening.
 
I disagree that the drop constitutes a decline that signals a deeper problem but is rather a market correction after 2 years of hyper inflated demand from a very fickle but incredibly large group - casuals.

people who had never gamed were suddenly going out in their droves to buy the latest rock band, the latest guitar hero and the wii / ds. those people have now moved on to greener pastures and with their departure, we're seeing the market correcting itself to how it would have looked if the casuals hadn't inflated the market as much they did during the peripheral and peak nintendo era.

this is why claims of a market decline are misguided, people who claim it's in decline are choosing to ignore the effect casuals had on the market as a whole. it's not exclusive to the uk either, market corrections will be happening in other regions, maybe not to same degree or as fast, but the correction is happening.

Didn't also Call of Duty decline with respect to last year, and last year entry also declined?
 
If you want to know how HD gaming is in the UK just look at how it is in the US. The markets are in the same situation, except in the UK 3DS is irrelevant.

Pretty much. We're past the point in the US where we can blame the huge drops in the industry on the Wii. But it would be interesting and honestly very scary if all the declines came from the Wii and those customers were never coming back because it would indicate that gaming was actually very stagnant this generation or worse had a slight decline. This does fit with that gamasutra data I believe that almost all of the growth in the video game industry came from Nintendo in the first couple of years of this generation.
 
UK Software Unit Sales (Millions);

Code:
        	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011	Total
GBY     	4.30	3.90	0.95	0.12	0.05								9.30
PS1     	16.10	15.50	7.90	5.31	2.22	0.34							47.40
N64     	NA 	0.60	0.10										NA
DC      	NA 	1.60	0.40										NA
PS2     	0.40	7.30	16.10	21.52	26.96	26.50	22.10	14.20	5.70	1.90	0.30		142.98
GBA     	-	1.60	2.70	3.60	4.09	3.42	2.30	0.90					18.60
Xbox    	-	-	2.09	4.66	7.14	6.57	3.40	0.60					24.50
GC      	-	-	1.70	2.72	2.42	1.22	0.40	0.10					8.60
NDS     	-	-	-	-	-	1.85	6.40	14.90	19.10	15.20	9.90		67.35
PSP     	-	-	-	-	-	2.92	6.10	5.60	4.10	2.90	1.60		23.22
X360    	-	-	-	-	-	0.44	5.20	9.80	14.90	16.90	18.20		65.44
Wii     	-	-	-	-	-	-	0.50	7.90	20.10	18.90	13.60		61.00
PS3     	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	4.20	10.40	12.30	13.80		40.70
Console 	24.20	30.50	32.00	38.00	42.90	43.30	46.40	58.20	74.30	68.10	57.40		515.30
PC Games 	13.10	12.00	12.20	13.00	12.90	12.50	13.00	12.20	8.50	6.40	5.50		121.30
Total   	37.30	42.50	44.20	51.00	55.80	55.80	59.40	70.40	82.80	74.60	62.90	55.40	636.70

We never did get full 2011 figures.

Interesting, the 3.3% rise in 2011 for 360 suggests an extra 600k (18.8m for the year) the 30% drop for Wii suggest a drop of just over 4m! (9.52m for the year).

This puts lifetime sales end of 2011 at;

X360 - 84.24m
Wii - 70.52m
PS3 - 54.50m (under less given it wasn't up yoy)
 
genre / series fatigue or people simply continue playing older titles, which are often listed in the top ten for both consoles.

So, if the market is declining (and numbers shown that), it's not only because of "market correction after the casual wave", right? Casual wave that existed also with PS2, or am I the only one who remembers Singstar and EyeToy? Hell, UK was the country where Little Britan video game charted at number 1...
 
I disagree that the drop constitutes a decline that signals a deeper problem but is rather a market correction after 2 years of hyper inflated demand from a very fickle but incredibly large group - casuals.

people who had never gamed were suddenly going out in their droves to buy the latest rock band, the latest guitar hero and the wii / ds. those people have now moved on to greener pastures and with their departure, we're seeing the market correcting itself to how it would have looked if the casuals hadn't inflated the market as much they did during the peripheral and peak nintendo era.

this is why claims of a market decline are misguided, people who claim it's in decline are choosing to ignore the effect casuals had on the market as a whole. it's not exclusive to the uk either, market corrections will be happening in other regions, maybe not to same degree or as fast, but the correction is happening.

I'm new here so maybe thats the cause for any mix up but I only made one post (number 156*) which made no mention of a deeper problem and was about something different (I thought it was very critical of Nintendo) then the one above where I clarified that I was referring to retail.

I'm wondering if maybe you are you referring with the writer of the article in that link? I just read it again and it seems the author made no mention of deeper problems but rather said they thought it would rebound next year.

* http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45729306&postcount=156
 
So, if the market is declining (and numbers shown that), it's not only because of "market correction after the casual wave", right? Casual wave that existed also with PS2, or am I the only one who remembers Singstar and EyeToy? Hell, UK was the country where Little Britan video game charted at number 1...

using a yearly release as some kind of litmus test to back up numbers that don't paint an entirely accurate picture is flawed.

did either trigger a massive influx from casuals like the wii /ds or rock band / guitar hero did? I remember both bombing pretty hard upon release.

little britain video game? when was that released?
 
I'm new here so maybe thats the cause for any mix up but I only made one post (number 156*) which made no mention of a deeper problem and was about something different (I thought it was very critical of Nintendo) then the one above where I clarified that I was referring to retail.

I'm wondering if maybe you are you referring with the writer of the article in that link? I just read it again and it seems the author made no mention of deeper problems but rather said they thought it would rebound next year.

* http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45729306&postcount=156

I was referring to others who claim the market in the uk is dying and other such nonsense that's been routinely spouted in these threads since the wii u was released.

sorry if my post made it seem like you made claims you hadn't.
 
I was referring to others who claim the market in the uk is dying and other such nonsense that's been routinely spouted in these threads since the wii u was released.

sorry if my post made it seem like you made claims you hadn't.

People have been claiming the UK was declining all year because the numbers have been shit. Anything outside of the top 5 would usually be selling horrible numbers. I'm not sure why people are getting the idea that this claim only started when Wii U came out. I'm also not sure why so many people are offended by the idea as the same exact thing is happening in America. Actually it seems more like people are resistant to the idea when the Wii U came out because I remember many people agreeing with it before.

Also, no one said the UK market was dying. Declining does not equal dying.
 
using a yearly release as some kind of litmus test to back up numbers that don't paint an entirely accurate picture is flawed.

did either trigger a massive influx from casuals like the wii /ds or rock band / guitar hero did? I remember both bombing pretty hard upon release.

little britain video game? when was that released?

It seems you didn't paint an entirely accurate picture; UK market is declining (which is true, numbers shown that - first step achieved, since when I wrote that, many people accused me of I don't know what exactly) and the reasons are not simply and only related to the casual gamers wave. You see, there are other reasons why, e.g. Call of Duty and similar yearly IPs may have reached a saturation point.

As for EyeToy and Singstar, no, they didn't bomb at all. EyeToy sold over 10 million units as of November 2008; Singstar has sold 16 million units in PAL regions as well, and if you check UK charts of that period, they were crowded of Singstar games.

Little Britain video game was released in 2007, and the PS2 version charted so high.
 
People have been claiming the UK was declining all year because the numbers have been shit. Anything outside of the top 5 would usually be selling horrible numbers. I'm not sure why people are getting the idea that this claim only started when Wii U came out. I'm also not sure why so many people are offended by the idea as the same exact thing is happening in America. Actually it seems more like people are resistant to the idea when the Wii U came out because I remember many people agreeing with it before.

Also, no one said the UK market was dying. Declining does not equal dying.

I've read the topics all year and while there was the odd joke about the uk market dying in previous thread, it's been taken to completely different level since the wii u launch. and you're free to check the threads for the comments about the uk market dying or being irrelevant and other nonsense.
 
It seems you didn't paint an entirely accurate picture; UK market is declining (which is true, numbers shown that - first step achieved, since when I wrote that, many people accused me of I don't know what exactly) and the reasons are not simply and only related to the casual gamers wave. You see, there are other reasons why, e.g. Call of Duty and similar yearly IPs may have reached a saturation point.

As for EyeToy and Singstar, no, they didn't bomb at all. EyeToy sold over 10 million units as of November 2008; Singstar has sold 16 million units in PAL regions as well, and if you check UK charts of that period, they were crowded of Singstar games.

Little Britain video game was released in 2007, and the PS2 version charted so high.

I'm not sure what it is you're trying to say.

we're not talking about all pal regions nor are we talking lifetime sales and while singstar games may have been in the charts, your point casuals during the ps2 era isn't valid. it selling to the ps2 userbase, which was reasonably high can account for its chart positions.

I must have missed that one.
 
So, if the market is declining (and numbers shown that), it's not only because of "market correction after the casual wave", right? Casual wave that existed also with PS2, or am I the only one who remembers Singstar and EyeToy? Hell, UK was the country where Little Britan video game charted at number 1...
With the software numbers BKK posted, we might pin some of it on PS2 software falling off a cliff around 2008. That, combined with Wii's peaking out early, added up to an unusually steep downward movement (two market leaders racing back to zero at the same time), which the new systems couldn't fully balance out yet.
 
I've read the topics all year and while there was the odd joke about the uk market dying in previous thread, it's been taken to completely different level since the wii u launch. and you're free to check the threads for the comments about the uk market dying or being irrelevant and other nonsense.

Who has said the UK is dying? I trying to find a quote, but I can't find it. And in those old threads there was specific discussions about why the UK market was doing so badly. Hell at one point Resident Evil Revelations hit number 1 in the UK but the numbers were so horrible it still flopped.

There were a few people that have used the excuse about the UK market decline in connection the the Wii U launch for the last two threads, but no one is doing that in this thread. Somehow it turned into a debate about whether that was actually a decline. Well if the UK is anythign like the US, both the PS3 and 360 have had pretty sharp drops this year which can't be explained away by Wii declines.

Regardless, it seems a bit suspicious to blame every bit of the UK decline on the Wii and then say if there was a decline of the PS3/360 it was only natural.

I'm looking forward to zombbqwtf's data though.
 
Interesting, the 3.3% rise in 2011 for 360 suggests an extra 600k (18.8m for the year) the 30% drop for Wii suggest a drop of just over 4m! (9.52m for the year).

This puts lifetime sales end of 2011 at;

X360 - 84.24m
Wii - 70.52m
PS3 - 54.50m (under less given it wasn't up yoy)

I think the Wii % was for revenue, anyway, I've added the 2011 figures now.

Code:
        	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011	Total
GBY     	4.30	3.90	0.95	0.12	0.05								9.30
PS1     	16.10	15.50	7.90	5.31	2.22	0.34							47.40
N64     	NA 	0.60	0.10										NA
DC      	NA 	1.60	0.40										NA
PS2     	0.40	7.30	16.10	21.52	26.96	26.50	22.10	14.20	5.70	1.90	0.30	0.10	143.08
GBA     	-	1.60	2.70	3.60	4.09	3.42	2.30	0.90					18.60
Xbox    	-	-	2.09	4.66	7.14	6.57	3.40	0.60					24.50
GC      	-	-	1.70	2.72	2.42	1.22	0.40	0.10					8.60
NDS     	-	-	-	-	-	1.85	6.40	14.90	19.10	15.20	9.90	6.50	73.85
PSP     	-	-	-	-	-	2.92	6.10	5.60	4.10	2.90	1.60	0.80	24.02
X360    	-	-	-	-	-	0.44	5.20	9.80	14.90	16.90	18.20	18.80	84.24
Wii     	-	-	-	-	-	-	0.50	7.90	20.10	18.90	13.60	9.40	70.40
PS3     	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	4.20	10.40	12.30	13.80	13.20	53.90
3DS     	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1.80	1.80
Console 	24.20	30.50	32.00	38.00	42.90	43.30	46.40	58.20	74.30	68.10	57.40	50.50	565.80
PC Games 	13.10	12.00	12.20	13.00	12.90	12.50	13.00	12.20	8.50	6.40	5.50	4.90	126.20
Total   	37.30	42.50	44.20	51.00	55.80	55.80	59.40	70.40	82.80	74.60	62.90	55.40	692.10
 
Does anyone here subscribe to or buy the Games TM magazine?

I read in a blog (can't post here since it has scans) they have some hardware numbers for Europe, I'd rather know if the magazine sources ******** or the reliable trackers (Media-Control/Gfk/Chart-Track) before buying it...
 
Does anyone here subscribe to or buy the Games TM magazine?

I read in a blog (can't post here since it has scans) they have some hardware numbers for Europe, I'd rather know if the magazine sources ******** or the reliable trackers (Media-Control/Gfk/Chart-Track) before buying it...

It seems so strange to me that there's a magazine which does release real numbers but we're hearing about it just now. I'm doubtful they're real.
 
It seems so strange to me that there's a magazine which does release real numbers but we're hearing about it just now. I'm doubtful they're real.

It's just a special article about 2012, not a regular thing.

But, yeah, I just compared the US and Japan numbers and they're different from NPD/Media-Create/Famitsu. They're also different from ********, but since they change the numbers every week, it could still be theirs from whenever the magazine was edited.
 
What's weird is that they say Minecraft XBLA is estimated to have sold 1M copies when we know officially for months that it's north of 4M.

So not sure how to take the other figures.
 
What the FUCK?



What?? What "people"?
Neogaffers?? Jesus, you really believe that the rantings of the ultra-hardcore have the slightest relevance on the industry at all? Do they fuck.

The market went fucking batshit mental for Wii Sports from day one, and the Wii was the hottest shit since the Furby.
Now, the market, reflected by the sales that this thread is meant to discuss, couldn't give a shit about Nintendo's new console.
So once again, the rantings in this forum for the super-hardcore mean fuck all.

Merry christmas Nintendo.
Yes i'm drunk. Its crishtmas/

When the Wiimote was revealed, wasn't the general reaction on gaf that the name was stupid and it wouldn't sell well?
 
When the Wiimote was revealed, wasn't the general reaction on gaf that the name was stupid and it wouldn't sell well?

the Revolution controller and the Wii name weren't revealed together, it was about 6 months apart. The name is stupid, but that's not always a bad thing.
 
the Revolution controller and the Wii name weren't revealed together, it was about 6 months apart. The name is stupid, but that's not always a bad thing.

Oh, ok. I remember reading a thread from the later reveal then (Wii). People were really bashing the console there. I can't find the thread now! :-(
 
I think the Wii % was for revenue, anyway, I've added the 2011 figures now.

Code:
        	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011	Total
GBY     	4.30	3.90	0.95	0.12	0.05								9.30
PS1     	16.10	15.50	7.90	5.31	2.22	0.34							47.40
N64     	NA 	0.60	0.10										NA
DC      	NA 	1.60	0.40										NA
PS2     	0.40	7.30	16.10	21.52	26.96	26.50	22.10	14.20	5.70	1.90	0.30	0.10	143.08
GBA     	-	1.60	2.70	3.60	4.09	3.42	2.30	0.90					18.60
Xbox    	-	-	2.09	4.66	7.14	6.57	3.40	0.60					24.50
GC      	-	-	1.70	2.72	2.42	1.22	0.40	0.10					8.60
NDS     	-	-	-	-	-	1.85	6.40	14.90	19.10	15.20	9.90	6.50	73.85
PSP     	-	-	-	-	-	2.92	6.10	5.60	4.10	2.90	1.60	0.80	24.02
X360    	-	-	-	-	-	0.44	5.20	9.80	14.90	16.90	18.20	18.80	84.24
Wii     	-	-	-	-	-	-	0.50	7.90	20.10	18.90	13.60	9.40	70.40
PS3     	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	4.20	10.40	12.30	13.80	13.20	53.90
3DS     	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1.80	1.80
Console 	24.20	30.50	32.00	38.00	42.90	43.30	46.40	58.20	74.30	68.10	57.40	50.50	565.80
PC Games 	13.10	12.00	12.20	13.00	12.90	12.50	13.00	12.20	8.50	6.40	5.50	4.90	126.20
Total   	37.30	42.50	44.20	51.00	55.80	55.80	59.40	70.40	82.80	74.60	62.90	55.40	692.10

GBA truly was only ''machine that plays Pokemon'' in UK.
 
I think the Wii % was for revenue, anyway, I've added the 2011 figures now.

Code:
        	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011	Total
GBY     	4.30	3.90	0.95	0.12	0.05								9.30
PS1     	16.10	15.50	7.90	5.31	2.22	0.34							47.40
N64     	NA 	0.60	0.10										NA
DC      	NA 	1.60	0.40										NA
PS2     	0.40	7.30	16.10	21.52	26.96	26.50	22.10	14.20	5.70	1.90	0.30	0.10	143.08
GBA     	-	1.60	2.70	3.60	4.09	3.42	2.30	0.90					18.60
Xbox    	-	-	2.09	4.66	7.14	6.57	3.40	0.60					24.50
GC      	-	-	1.70	2.72	2.42	1.22	0.40	0.10					8.60
NDS     	-	-	-	-	-	1.85	6.40	14.90	19.10	15.20	9.90	6.50	73.85
PSP     	-	-	-	-	-	2.92	6.10	5.60	4.10	2.90	1.60	0.80	24.02
X360    	-	-	-	-	-	0.44	5.20	9.80	14.90	16.90	18.20	18.80	84.24
Wii     	-	-	-	-	-	-	0.50	7.90	20.10	18.90	13.60	9.40	70.40
PS3     	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	4.20	10.40	12.30	13.80	13.20	53.90
3DS     	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1.80	1.80
Console 	24.20	30.50	32.00	38.00	42.90	43.30	46.40	58.20	74.30	68.10	57.40	50.50	565.80
PC Games 	13.10	12.00	12.20	13.00	12.90	12.50	13.00	12.20	8.50	6.40	5.50	4.90	126.20
Total   	37.30	42.50	44.20	51.00	55.80	55.80	59.40	70.40	82.80	74.60	62.90	55.40	692.10
I'd guess this is retail only from the PC numbers?
 
I'd guess this is retail only from the PC numbers?

Yep, very stable up until 2007, then a big decline since. So there's at least 7m of the decline that could be explained by the shift of PC to digital, although of course some may have simply shifted to PS360 instead. No way to know without hard figures.
 
FIFA Vs PES (GFK España)

Spain:
FIFA 13 - 1.2M
PES 2013 - 500K

UK:
FIFA 13 - 1.8M
PES 2013 - 350K

Total:
FIFA 13 - 10M
PES 2013 - 5.5M


I can't beleive PES 2013 sold that much.

Even in Spain, one of the most favorable market for PES 2013, FIFA 13 doubles its competitor yet worldwide FIFA 13 can't double PES 2013. Something must be wrong here.

I can't think of another market where the ratio for PES 2013 is comfortable better than in Spain (Italy is similar to Spain) outside very tiny markets such as Greece.

We know in Japan Konami's franchise is the dominant, but at best it sells around half a million units, so excluding Japan it would be FIFA 13 - 10M / PES 2013 - 5M.
 
Also, I think it should interest some people here even if we're talking PAL charts. From another thread:

Didn't found anything and I think it's the best thread to post it. ____ if old.

According to this FR survey just published by the SNJV (Syndicat National des Jeux Vidéo), Dishonored sold more than 1.5M copies in 2 month. I guess they're talking worldwide.

Dishonored vendu à plus de 1,5 millions
d’exemplaires en 2 mois

Another sales data from the same document (focusing on FR game performances): Game of Throne action/RPG (Published by Focus Home Interactive) sold 400K worldwide.

Game of Thrones de Cyanide s’est vendu à 400 000 exemplaires dans le
monde,
 
Spain:
November 2012

01 (__) [PS3] Call Of Duty: Black Ops 2 - Edicion Nuketown (Activision Blizzard)
02 (__) [PS3] Call Of Duty: Black Ops 2 (Activision Blizzard)
03 (__) [360] Call Of Duty: Black Ops 2 Edicion Nuketown (Activision Blizzard)
04 (02) [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3 (Ubisoft)
05 (01) [PS3] Fifa 13 (Electronic Arts)
06 (__) [WII] Just Dance 4 (Ubisoft)
07 (__) [360] Halo 4 (Microsoft)
08 (04) [PS3] Pro Evolution Soccer 2013 (Konami)
09 (__) [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo)
10 (__) [WII] Skylanders Giants + Starter Pack (Activision Blizzard)
 
Why?

Even in Portugal FIFA is topping the charts and PES appears much lower. A few years ago it was the exact oposite. PES is no longer king of anything.

I think he's calling them "bullshit" because PES seems too high XD
 
Is there a chance for the German Charts today?

Gamona has updated, so yes.

German Week 51 Consoles Top 10 ( so, no PC)

01./01. [Wii] Just Dance 4 ( Ubisoft)
02./02. [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 ( Activision)
03./03. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 ( Nintendo)
04./04. [PS3] Far Cry 3 (Ubisoft)
05./RE. [360] FIFA 13 ( Electronic Arts)
06./08. [360] Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 ( Activision)
07./06. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 ( Nintendo)
08./10. [Wii] Mario Party 9 ( Nintendo)
09./RE. [360] Halo 4 ( Microsoft)
10./RE. [360] Far Cry 3 (Ubisoft)
 
Gamona has updated, so yes.

German Week 51 Consoles Top 10 ( so, no PC)

01./01. [Wii] Just Dance 4 ( Ubisoft)
02./02. [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 ( Activision)
03./03. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 ( Nintendo)
04./04. [PS3] Far Cry 3 (Ubisoft)
05./RE. [360] FIFA 13 ( Electronic Arts)
06./08. [360] Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 ( Activision)
07./06. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 ( Nintendo)
08./10. [Wii] Mario Party 9 ( Nintendo)
09./RE. [360] Halo 4 ( Microsoft)
10./RE. [360] Far Cry 3 (Ubisoft)

Whatever happened to those Top 100 charts we used to see for Germany?
 
Gamona has updated, so yes.

German Week 51 Consoles Top 10 ( so, no PC)

01./01. [Wii] Just Dance 4 ( Ubisoft)
02./02. [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 ( Activision)
03./03. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 ( Nintendo)
04./04. [PS3] Far Cry 3 (Ubisoft)
05./RE. [360] FIFA 13 ( Electronic Arts)
06./08. [360] Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 ( Activision)
07./06. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 ( Nintendo)
08./10. [Wii] Mario Party 9 ( Nintendo)
09./RE. [360] Halo 4 ( Microsoft)
10./RE. [360] Far Cry 3 (Ubisoft)

Interesting.. lot of 360 in Top 10...
 
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