The power of Mario on nintendo handhelds cant be underestimated. The 3DS had nothing majorly new for the holiday season but probably didnt need it.
PAL Charts - Week 51, 2012
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The power of Mario on nintendo handhelds cant be underestimated. The 3DS had nothing majorly new for the holiday season but probably didnt need it.
pieatorium
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heh
NSMB and Nintendoland still making it into tha by value charts and the Vita games are in there too so with a lower rrp to start with I don't think it would be price collapse to send them up
Clay Davis
Member
anecdotal, but I know 7 people who got one for christmas. it's been a big hit in my friends circle due to the aggressive bundling and great word of mouth pushing others to look into buying one.
at least near is actually useful for me now. very pleased.
michaelius
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I found a Wii U game in charts 
individual format by value
26 25 NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U WII U NINTENDO NINTENDO
25 34 NINTENDO LAND WII U NINTENDO NINTENDO
edit: even two
individual format by value
26 25 NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U WII U NINTENDO NINTENDO
25 34 NINTENDO LAND WII U NINTENDO NINTENDO
edit: even two
No i read it correctly, was just asking if there are known/published WiiU numbers for germany and france. But yeah, if sales are bad in france the system is done for europe. Before Wii nintendo systems were strong as kids systems in germany, but with that price point it wont be considered by most parents here.
I found a Wii U game in charts
individual format by value
26 25 NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U WII U NINTENDO NINTENDO
25 34 NINTENDO LAND WII U NINTENDO NINTENDO
edit: even two
Puh, thanks....Iwatas job is safe for another week.
Yep Book of memories is still doing well.
So what are the three vita games charting? I'm guessing FIFA and COD..what else?
As for WiiU, the biggest issue I see is that these are sales during 'December'! It's definitely too early to call doom but the system is off to a very weak start.
So what are the three vita games charting? I'm guessing FIFA and COD..what else?
As for WiiU, the biggest issue I see is that these are sales during 'December'! It's definitely too early to call doom but the system is off to a very weak start.
michaelius
Banned
FIFA , COD and suprise NFS
- 34 FIFA 13 VITA EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS
31 35 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS DECLASSIFIED VITA ACTIVISION ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
30 36 MARIO & SONIC LONDON 2012 OLYMPIC GAMES WII SEGA SEGA
37 37 DANCE CENTRAL 3 XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT
- 38 NEED FOR SPEED MOST WANTED VITA EA GAMES ELECTRONIC ARTS
Nice. Thanks guys
I'm a bit conflicted about COD. Surely these sales will be encouraging for acti...and I hope it's in a positive way because I would love a better COD on the vita. Sales would be much much higher too.
Fuck yeah. What a good start to Monday morning. NFS deserves some props, hopefully we'll see another console-parity port next time around.
Wii-U continues to provide gasps and chuckles. Can't imagine it'll be troubling the charts again any time soon.
Clay Davis
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lego city will save the wii u!
in all seriousness, that's the only title I can see breaching the top 40 for the wii u in the next few months. pikmin 3 might also have a similar effect, but is that even relevant in wider gamers mind any more? it's been so long since the last one that I worry nintendo took too long to capitalise on the games appeal.
Phoenician_Viking
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The WiiU is having the biggest crash in the UK, since the crash of the meteor that took out the dinosaurs.
Acquiescence
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There's just not a whole lot of love for the Nintendo brand in the UK right now it seems. Look at the Eurogamer Readers' Top 50 Games of 2012 list. That site largely attracts a British readership and there's not a single Nintendo game to be found in the whole thing, first-party or third-party exclusive. For a company focused solely on the video game industry, that's insane.
Thats the same games that did nothing for GCN and N64.
Id say they need something new to draw people in.
Just out of interest; but what games did Nintendo bring out this year? I know about WiiU (i.e. Nintendoland); but their first party games on that were unlikely to make a list when it has only just come out.
Edit: searching through list myself it looks like NSMB2, Pokemon, Layton, Kid Icarus for a start - so it is a little worrying to have nothing in the top 50.
Acquiescence
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Eurogamer said:
I understand with the Wii U just coming out and all, but there's really no reason why the 3DS couldn't have been well represented, especially when some Vita games made it in. Gravity Rush is there at #26 for crying out loud.
Batman AC: Armored Edition higher than NSMBU? There's something BADLY wrong here.
pieatorium
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NSMB 2
Kid Icarus
Rythm Heaven
Mario Party
Pokemon Black & White 2
Paper Mario
edit : am slow
Thanks - so it looks like Ninty were close; just missing out with ZombiU. I am amazed at how low a NSMB2 is though.
The main reason Vita games have such a negative stigma is sales. In review and reception, they do just fine.
Seems Nintendo have a mountain to climb ahead of them. Their brand is looking pretty tarnished over here. They can probably afford to fuck us off and coast through on Japanese sales only to be honest.
test_account
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I think it is most relevant to look at most recent preformance. Nintendo did great in this generation with both the Wii and the DS. If the WiiU contunies to have a big drop off compared to the Wii, this could be a surprise in my opinion.
By the way, i think that the NES and SNES did great back then. The market was much smaller. It wouldnt surprise me if the NES and SNES were the best selling consoles in Europe in those generations.
To be fair AC is a pretty damn good game, and now with more content than ever on the WiiU
zomgbbqftw
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I would laugh so hard if Vita rose from the grave in the UK in the new year because of the big bundles and sales over Xmas.
I really hope Sony see the success they had over Xmas and continue the big marketing push into the new year and cement Vita in the UK at least as a system worth having.
I really hope Sony see the success they had over Xmas and continue the big marketing push into the new year and cement Vita in the UK at least as a system worth having.
Bruno MB
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Nintendo has lost its relevance in some major markets due to the pathetic way they prematurely let Wii die of starvation.
If everything they had planned for the launch of their next console was an overpriced outdated system, with only 2 releases during the launch window (Pikmin 3 is now delayed until Q2 2013), it would have been better to keep supporting Wii.
So much for Iwata learning from 3DS' mistakes. They have somehow managed to fail even harder with their next launch, and that wasn't easy at all.
If everything they had planned for the launch of their next console was an overpriced outdated system, with only 2 releases during the launch window (Pikmin 3 is now delayed until Q2 2013), it would have been better to keep supporting Wii.
So much for Iwata learning from 3DS' mistakes. They have somehow managed to fail even harder with their next launch, and that wasn't easy at all.
I have no problem with Batman: Arkham City. It's a great title. I have problems seeing Armored City, that is a port and inferior to the PS360 release for some things (performancewise) valued as better than a brand new very good 2D Mario.
We need HW numbers.
Magic Mushroom
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I'm sure Ubisoft had a good Christmas.
electroplankton
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Nintendo debalce in UK is even more worrying when one thinks that they had Olympic Games in London and Mario&Sonic game came out a year ago; usually, Mario&Sonic games had no troubles in selling for years.
1st Course
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I hate to jump on the Wii hate bandwagon (I actually really like the console software wise), but I genuinely believe that motion controls played a major role in the success of the Wii console, I don't think that the tablet hold the same appeal that the wiimote had.
Although it will continue to get murdered worldwide (Japanese 3DS sales are ridiculous), I have my fingers crossed that the Vita can reach a position of sustainability. At the very least, it ain't going down without a (mild) fight.
They need to drop the 4GB card, bundle the 8GB with every Vita and lower the price of the bigger cards though.
DragonSworne
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They need to drop all the cards expect the 32GB and make it a free pack in with the system.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Its taken almost 30 years, but Mario fatigue is seemingly now a real phenomenon. Nintendo just hasnt expanded enough and fostered new character driven IP to stand out from all the other players. Kid Icarus 3DS is their first real attempt in a while, and even then thats a call back to a dormant NES title.
Its no surprise GOTY lists are seeing fresh stuff like Gravity Rush, Minecraft, and even last years Batman: Arkham City trotted out again trump staple Nintendo outings of their eternal franchise cycle these days, that have become as expected and routine as the days of the week coming around each 7 days. "Oh, its a new Mario is it."
That Wii Fit U is even a thing just speaks to the worrying "same again should yield success right?" mentality back in Iwata's camp.
Its no surprise GOTY lists are seeing fresh stuff like Gravity Rush, Minecraft, and even last years Batman: Arkham City trotted out again trump staple Nintendo outings of their eternal franchise cycle these days, that have become as expected and routine as the days of the week coming around each 7 days. "Oh, its a new Mario is it."
That Wii Fit U is even a thing just speaks to the worrying "same again should yield success right?" mentality back in Iwata's camp.
Ideal but unrealistic. I'd imagine that would also affect their ability to cut the price of the unit itself or 'add value' down the line by packing in a bigger card.
electroplankton
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Mario grew a lot in popularity through the last generation. Mario Kart Wii / DS and New Super Mario Bros. Wii / DS are the best-selling Mario games ever, and also many spin-offs sold a lot compared to previous entries. It's normal to see up and down in sales, especially following the release of new hardware. I would wait to a bit more to say that there is franchise fatigue, also because Mario games are still selling worldwide.
test_account
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Sure, i agree that this is most likely the main reason (motion controls VS tablet controller). I just mean that Nintendo was very popular in this generation, so the branding was strong, and i think they had a good chance to maintain that
From what I've seen in Ireland (and Irish market mirrors the English market pretty well) many people were picking the Vita for Christmas. 3DS didn't really have any offers or any big campaign behind it, as well as no really new software to sell it. Book of Spells was also everywhere too. I think Killzone and Tearaway could break into top 8 or top 5 on their launch this year.
When you put it that way, I suppose it makes sense. Although to quote Reggie, it's different content, it's not the same game.
I think there will be cut at Gamescon and with that Vita can do 10 million worlwide in a year. It's nothing to write home about but it's sustainable.
That's actually wrong.
I suspect you are talking about the Mega Drive but even in that case EU sales were more or less comparable to those of the SNES.
However MD had the majority of UK while SNES was stronger in France and Germany.
Europe explosion as a console market happened with the first Playstation.
Sho_Nuff82
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What could Nintendo have done to launch better other than launching in 2011? Delaying Skyward Sword would have accelerated the Wii's demise, and they did just released Mario Kart 7 last year. NSMB is a sequel to one of their top selling franchises.
Let's face it, Pikmin has never been a huge franchise, and Bayonetta was a niche semi-hit. Nintendo was banking on the controller itself being a selling point, and thus far it seems like a gross miscalculation. Wii U has better and more diverse 3rd party software at launch than Wii or 3DS, but it's stuck in a Gamecube scenario where there is no marketable incentive to choose Nintendo to play these games. Ironically, this is the scenario that Nintendo tried to avoid in 2006, playing out in 2012, because they refuse to strive for feature parity/superiority with their competitors.
At least in Japan they have Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest to stand apart. In Europe for 2013, they are already missing Tomb Raider, Bioshock, Metal Gear, and GTA.
Just looked at the Eurogamer list, only 3 of the top 30 games of 2012 are even multiplat on Wii U. That is frightening for Nintendo. While their 3rd party situation has improved they clearly have a long way to go.
pieatorium
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They really need a cut in late feb/early march imo to coincide with the decent releases around there imo
Oh of course they do. But with SS actually having its bundle priced already announced sadly I don't think Sony is willing to drop the price. Though February would be the best time, to get those March Japanese releases sell well for the system.
electroplankton
Banned
No way. Unless a 100% price cut.
Vita will sell around 6-6.5 million this year, so I can definitely see it going to a 9-10 million territory if a 60-70 euro price cut is done (ie the system will cost 180-190 euro) plus the Christmas bundles next year will probably get it down to 160 territory.
michaelius
Banned
If they cut the price in february then most of price cut effect would be gone in Holidays 2013 season.
September would be optimal for going strong into last quarter sales but that would means 8 months of terribad sales.
This is going to be a tough decision for Sony.
Well by the time Holidays 2013 come around I guess they could do some more bundles, right? Like keep the same price but get a game and 4GB card bundle, kinda like they did with the 250 model this year.
electroplankton
Banned
How much did it sell this year, which included the launch, and potential system seller? This year Sony won't care so much about Vita if PS4 is in the pipeline (even now, their most important 2013 games are not on Vita), and third parties are a luckluster.
SolidSnakex
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I think that there's only a "New" Super Mario Bros. fatigue. I fully expect a lot of hype and praise for the next 3D Mario game. But it seems that people are tired of the "New" brand. Mario is one of those series where people expect a full package. The gameplay in NSMBU is fantastic, but you still have the visuals and music, both of which cause a lot of arguments over whether or not they're good.
michaelius
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They should have designed Wii U diffrently - if they weren't bound by their 40w power draw target- they could have been more much generous with clock speeds (and still remain in <100w power draw) - that would have given them clear advantage over current gen consoles.
That would work nicely with people hungry of next gene machines