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[Gamer79]

Nvida:
-Lied about MSRP (even from their first parties you cannot get any 50xx series at MSRP)
-The bullshit 5070 can outperform the 4090 lie
-The pathetic launch stock
-Missing Rops on some 50 series cards
Nvidia just took a Giant shit in consumers faces. The sad thing is that some of the loyalist will gladly Toss that Salad.

AMD:
-The Price is ok but not going to convince many to switch. That is only if they can be had at MSRP. If it's another Nvidia situation the cards are another mediocre AMD Showing
-Performance overall even on the XT is not that great: I was itching to upgrade my dated 4070 but Most games in benchmarks by digital foundry and what not, there is less than 10 frames difference between my old 4070 and the newer 9070 xt
-FSR 4 is an improvement but still does not hold up to DLSS. Also FSR 4 especially at launch and for the near future will be a lot less supported
- I just don't see a reason to upgrade if your coming from a high end AMD last generation card or even a middle tier 40xx series cards. AMD has to do something dramatic to convince the masses to make the switch and the price to performance is just not good enough. It's good price to performance but not great.


Overall this Generations of GPU's:

 

[Draugoth]

This is why i laugh at people who want Xbox to quir console market, it's going to be just as worst as this shit if Xbox leaves and PlayStation gets the monopoly of the console market

 

[Senua]

I was itching to upgrade my dated 4070

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

but how good are these GPUs for other things outside gaming?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

This is why i laugh at people who want Xbox to quir console market, it's going to be just as worst as this shit if Xbox leaves and PlayStation gets the monopoly of the console market

This is extremely funny when you consider that Nadella was using the: "Let us have competition" argument when acquiring ABK.

 

[HRK69]

This is why i laugh at people who want Xbox to quir console market, it's going to be just as worst as this shit if Xbox leaves and PlayStation gets the monopoly of the console market

I can't really laugh it at because it's absolutely embarrassing

I actually can't stand it

 

[ShirAhava]

AMD is a pretty great choice for someone like me who skipped out on the RTX 3000 and 4000 series

FSR 4 thrashes older gen DLSS but yeah if you already have RTX 4000 it doesn't make much sense at all

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

4090 chuds represent!!!

 

[Gaiff]

I was itching my dated 4070

This is why PC gaming isn’t for everyone. They get into it, discover the Eldritch truth, and subsequently lose their minds.

 

[rm082e]

Yep. I'm on a 3080 and I'm not really excited about upgrading to anything right now.

The 5080 seems disappointing, but it is about double my current performance. That would be fine for $800. No way I'm paying $1,600 for that though.

The 5090 seems like one of those bad decisions that would be fun to make. But I have no interest in a part that might burn up due to poor electrical design...

9070XT is just not enough of a bump to justify it at all. Maybe next gen if they do a higher tier card.

 

[Magic Carpet]

It does seem like Nvidia should have simply ordered up another batch of 4000 series cards.
AMD should stick to making sub 1080P/30 consoles.

 

[SweetTooth]

This is why i laugh at people who want Xbox to quir console market, it's going to be just as worst as this shit if Xbox leaves and PlayStation gets the monopoly of the console market

Yeah because Xbox is Playstation ONLY competition lol

What a weird take

 

[Comandr]

As a 3090 haver I was really looking forward to the new 50 series. After that crashed and burned I allowed myself to consider team red, especially with what I had been hearing about FSR4. But the performance I'm seeing and the uplift with FSR4 plus the point about it not being widely supported in the beginning is a real wake up call. Love it or hate it, probably going to be a prisoner to team green until something drastically changes.

 

[sendit]

This is why i laugh at people who want Xbox to quir console market, it's going to be just as worst as this shit if Xbox leaves and PlayStation gets the monopoly of the console market

No reasonable person wanted Xbox to quit. Phil's guidance led to it naturally. Notably:
- Day 1 PC releases
- Day 1 Gamepass releases
- Two Xbox sku's causing forced exclusives for certain games (Baldurs Gate 3)

 

[rofif]

I mean we are all saying W because amd released a gpu that can finally.... almost... not really match a 4080 from 2022.
And that is still the base performance all these cards move +-15% around.
so yeah. Diminishing returns

 

[[Sigma]]

It feels like AMD almost operates like controlled opposition lol

 

[Gaiff]

I mean we are all saying W because amd released a gpu that can finally.... almost... not really match a 4080 from 2022.
And that is still the base performance all these cards move +-15% around.
so yeah. Diminishing returns

More like diminishing core count.

 

[rofif]

More like diminishing core count.

yep. same happening with cpus. I was thinking that upgrading from 3700x to 5700x3d is a small band aid but no. That cpu is mostly where newest cpus are in gaming.
And with gpus, it's the wattage and die size. It stagnated to some degree.
Nothing stopping them from making double cards like radeon did back in the days. now that would be cool

 

[KuraiShidosha]

Pay attention to the real node being used. Notice the 40 series came from stagnation with 20 and 30 series and had a huge real jump. 50 series had the exact same node. Can't speak on the new Radeon but same principle applies. We're running up against a brick wall and won't be able to get any upgrades gen over gen when they can't shrink transistors anymore. We're getting close to that end of the road. Prepare yourselves.

 

[diffusionx]

Yep. I'm on a 3080 and I'm not really excited about upgrading to anything right now.

The 5080 seems disappointing, but it is about double my current performance. That would be fine for $800. No way I'm paying $1,600 for that though.

The 5090 seems like one of those bad decisions that would be fun to make. But I have no interest in a part that might burn up due to poor electrical design...

9070XT is just not enough of a bump to justify it at all. Maybe next gen if they do a higher tier card.

I have a 3080 12GB and was looking forward to a 5080. Prices are nonsense. Maybe it will fix itself in six months. Maybe they'll make 5080 Super that are better. I can wait.

 

[Grildon Tundy]

Got an RTX 3080 here. Still runs my games well enough. 4k ~60fps and 1440p ~100fps in general. Can do RT with DLSS and lots of games support AMD frame gen mod if I want a little boost at the cost of added latency.

I have enough in the bank to cover a 5090, play my PC most days of the week, and splurge on little else besides gaming, but NVIDIA hasn't given me a strong enough incentive to upgrade at the price points they're offering.

 

[Xellos]

Yeah, I'm going to give it about a year to shake out. Supply will eventually improve and Nvidia will probably release a Super refresh with better value, if they don't just go straight to 6000 series.

 

[64gigabyteram]

it's 12gb of VRAM. It is dated.

 

[Senua]

I mean we are all saying W because amd released a gpu that can finally.... almost... not really match a 4080 from 2022.

Because it's half the price.

it's 12gb of VRAM. It is dated.

I mean..for high end gaming yes, but you can still make 12gb work just fine, heck I'm getting by with 10gb though it's getting harder for sure.

 

[Wolzard]

I mean we are all saying W because amd released a gpu that can finally.... almost... not really match a 4080 from 2022.
And that is still the base performance all these cards move +-15% around.
so yeah. Diminishing returns

4080 - $1200
9070 XT - $599

You're comparing a high-end to a mid-end. Technically, if we compare within AMD's own stack, the upgrade was huge.
In other times, this would be the leap that the RTX 5070 should have had.

 

[rofif]

Because it's half the price.

4080 super dropped to 1000$ last year if I remember correctly.
This is 600$ theoratically... maybe... we will see tomorrow.
But it's not as good. It's kinda closer to 4070 ti super and even then not as good with rt.
so the 600$ price is nothing crazy to write home about. Best there is now and a good step forward but there are compromises.
At least fsr4 is good now

 

[SHA]

This is why PC gaming isn’t for everyone. They get into it, discover the Eldritch truth, and subsequently lose their minds.

The platform is a victimless crime, there is no one to blame.

 

[64gigabyteram]

This is why PC gaming isn’t for everyone. They get into it, discover the Eldritch truth, and subsequently lose their minds.

I've been handling the "eldritch truth" just fine to be quite honest. Maybe it's cope. Or I'm just built different.

8gb in 2025 is rough but i'm still having fun... That being said, for my next Vram, it's gotta have 16gb or bust.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Diminishing returns are finally becoming a reality for PC gaming I see. Not a second too soon. Don't worry, you still have user mods...if you can keep them.

It's going to be amazing when the quality of the port matters more than the hardware it was played on. It's almost here.

OP what you are discussing is one of the two major advantages of PC gaming slowly going away due to diminishing returns. The other, user mods, is not impossible on consoles. I wonder if user mods on consoles + full m+k support is in the cards for the next xbox. Stay tuned space cowboys.

 

[YCoCg]

I mean we are all saying W because amd released a gpu that can finally.... almost... not really match a 4080 from 2022.
And that is still the base performance all these cards move +-15% around.
so yeah. Diminishing returns

For their "midrange" price point, yeah! Considering in the same price bracket the 5070 and 5070Ti are not touching that.

 

[N1tr0sOx1d3]

This is why i laugh at people who want Xbox to quir console market, it's going to be just as worst as this shit if Xbox leaves and PlayStation gets the monopoly of the console market

Sony will never have the monopoly as long as Nintendo continues to keep pushing CPU/GPU boundaries.Mario Kart 8 on Switch 2 will be revolutionary.

 

[poppabk]

You don't have to upgrade every two years. The fact that you think your 4070 is old is depressing.

 

[Rush2112]

It’s not like any good PC games are coming out this year. Doom looks like a boring looking spinoff. MH world runs like shit on everything under 5k dollars. GTA VI is consoles only. What else ya got PC gamers?

 

[Sentenza]

Well, yes. I didn't decide to skip it entirely for nothing, after all.

It’s not like any good PC games are coming out this year. Doom looks like a boring looking spinoff. MH world runs like shit on everything under 5k dollars. GTA VI is consoles only. What else ya got PC gamers?

Hundreds of upcoming games.
But it's not like most of them will DEMAND for an upgrade, anyway, so I'm sticking to my 3080ti and waiting to see what the next round will offer.

I just hope this will align with the traditional Nvidia cycle of "one hit alternated to one miss", because the worse scenario would be that it's all downhill from here.

 

[Danknugz]

believe it or not some people use PCs for thing other than video games. personally i am in the market for the 5090 for the 32 gb for ai training. of course I could probably rent a cloud GPU cluster but that would require a rework of my current workflow and it's just a hobby for me , nothing professional to warrant these drastic changes.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Once they told you Nvidia was discontinuing the 4090 that was your window to buy one immediately.

 

[ReBurn]

Base RTX 5070 not having 16 GB VRAM is a tragedy.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Only If you are a NVidia user

 

[Mister Wolf]

It’s not like any good PC games are coming out this year. Doom looks like a boring looking spinoff. MH world runs like shit on everything under 5k dollars. GTA VI is consoles only. What else ya got PC gamers?

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Nvida:
-Lied about MSRP (even from their first parties you cannot get any 50xx series at MSRP)
-The bullshit 5070 can outperform the 4090 lie
-The pathetic launch stock
-Missing Rops on some 50 series cards
Nvidia just took a Giant shit in consumers faces. The sad thing is that some of the loyalist will gladly Toss that Salad.

AMD:
-The Price is ok but not going to convince many to switch. That is only if they can be had at MSRP. If it's another Nvidia situation the cards are another mediocre AMD Showing
-Performance overall even on the XT is not that great: I was itching to upgrade my dated 4070 but Most games in benchmarks by digital foundry and what not, there is less than 10 frames difference between my old 4070 and the newer 9070 xt
-FSR 4 is an improvement but still does not hold up to DLSS. Also FSR 4 especially at launch and for the near future will be a lot less supported
- I just don't see a reason to upgrade if your coming from a high end AMD last generation card or even a middle tier 40xx series cards. AMD has to do something dramatic to convince the masses to make the switch and the price to performance is just not good enough. It's good price to performance but not great.


Overall this Generations of GPU's:

Bro. You’ve had a pc for less then 3 months are you’ve posted so many pc threads I can’t even count.

Also you just bought a 4070. Why would you be “itching” to upgrade?

 

[rofif]

Bro. You’ve had a pc for less then 3 months are you’ve posted so many pc threads I can’t even count.

Also you just bought a 4070. Why would you be “itching” to upgrade?

A true pc experience is what he is having

 

[Fbh]

As an outsider to PC gaming, it seems to me like the fact it's often nearly impossible to get these cards at MSRP is big issue.
Every discussion about current GPUs always comes with a massive asterisk regarding price.

I guess I get it for Nvidia since they don't seem to give a shit and most of their money comes from AI stuff for businesses these days. Hopefully AMD at least tries to have their cards available at MSRP though

 

[rofif]

As an outsider to PC gaming, it seems to me like the fact it's often nearly impossible to get these cards at MSRP is big issue.
Every discussion about current GPUs always comes with a massive asterisk regarding price.

I guess I get it for Nvidia since they don't seem to give a shit and most of their money comes from AI stuff for businesses these days. Hopefully AMD at least tries to have their cards available at MSRP though

old data. It's worse now.
Nvidia don't give much of a f for gpus. It's just side business for them now.


And it's sad when the biggest gpu manufacturer does not care.

 

[Darchaos]

I gave my house to the bank as safety to be able to buy a 5090, im in danger

 

[Buggy Loop]

old data. It's worse now.
Nvidia don't give much of a f for gpus. It's just side business for them now.


And it's sad when the biggest gpu manufacturer does not care.

This is also valid for AMD.

Gaming is 7.4% and trending to shrink. They have consoles, imagine that.

Everything is datacenters now.

 

[CrustyBritches]

TPU 4K Average FPS for all games is 53fps 4070 vs 80fps 5070 XT.

 

[Soodanim]

I'm not going to legitimise the content of the post by responding to it.

Instead I will just point out that the correct contraction of "You are" is "You're". "Your" is possessive. Note the following example: "OP, you're talking bollocks again. Calm your weird expectation-having arse down, lad."

 

[Loomy]

Buy AMD. I'm serious. You have 2 realistic choices. 1 of them (NVIDIA) has figured out that they can fuck you whichever way they want and you'll come back asking for more because what else are you going to do? Go to AMD? And 1 of them (AMD) is still not big enough to dictate anything so they're playing the price/performance game and putting out decent cards.

I have a 3080 12GB and was looking forward to a 5080. Prices are nonsense. Maybe it will fix itself in six months. Maybe they'll make 5080 Super that are better. I can wait.

That is the exact situation I am in. No way in hell I'm paying $2k CAD for a 5080 only to play stuttering messes.

 

[Buggy Loop]

9070XT just introduced the cheapest entry price for acceptable performances in cyberpunk 2077 overdrive path tracing

And AMD is out of the dark ages with ML

I don’t know how anyone sees the performances for dollar today and think it’s shit

They just have to not fuck it up with supply and have AIBs on leashes for MSRP.

 

[Spukc]

The only thing this fuckhead can calculate is for how much he can sell out his firends